I hate Al Haymon because.....

[benion]

Just be honest.

[crusader]

Can't wait to see how this turns out...I think I at least have a clearer idea of why you so vehemently defend him.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

Is Al Haymon black

[ikorolev]

Where is "because he is gay" option ?

[zero]

These posts should be deleted and the OP banned!

Too many idiots pollute the site.

[keirw]

Is Al Haymon black

Good question, Al Haymon could be a 70 year old Chinese lady for all I know

[Boxing Prospect]

I heard he was pink and looked like a dinosaur

[Tarkus]

Where is "he is black and has massive cock" option.

[ReggieDiggs]

I don't think his race is helping him any thats for sure. The reality is being black in the US is a more threatening color to be to non-black people. You can surmise this by the weekly news stories you can find of people who are black resisting arrest or who had a invisible weapon who were killed. I don't think in the US being a black person with power is something a nice percentage of the population likes to see or has an easy ability with accepting either. Politricks in the US has gone nuts since a black man got elected president with accusing the guy of things no president has ever been accused of during my life & maybe ever like not even being born in the US, being a Muslim (like that would be a bad thing anyway if the US wasn't insane about dumb sh!t) & being anti-American or working against America's best interests on a treasonous level.

I don't think the fact he stays hidden behind curtains is helping him either. He's literally a boxing Keyser Soze-like character where if Sam Watson announced tomorrow he was Al Haymon many would be saying "I knew it". I've speculated the brother gots a social anxiety issue of some sort cuz his entire history in music while making tens of millions of dollars & dealing with some of the biggest names was basically behind the scenes too from everything I've found. To some people though simply being behind the scenes with a lot of money = some sort of evilness from a bad B movie plot or being the bad guy from Inspector Gadget being involved.

I don't think that the biggest person in the sport of boxing who he is associated with is Floyd Mayweather is helping him either. His first real client was Vernon Forrest, but to most people its Floyd Mayweather. And we all know Floyd doesn't got the best reputation among boxing fans. He's the most hated guy since Muhammad Ali back in the day when he was seen as a runner talking about he's the greatest of all time after getting dropped by Henry Cooper. And I think most people think if you hang out with bad people it makes you a bad person even these people don't really know Floyd Mayweather outside of his public persona, news stories & things he tweets about. I think if Al's biggest client was Wladimir Klitschko there would be a very different perception of him.

These are the 3 biggest issues I think Al has with getting hate if you could really get down to whats bugging people I believe. Nothing else makes much sense to me.

The stuff with the mismatches (which is probably the #1 thing people mention when you ask them why they hate him) happens all the time in boxing & you can nitpick power brokers in boxing all day about this from the biggest promoters (TR, GBP, HBO, etc) down to ESPN2 where Teddy will have a rant about the mismatched fights they choose to put on at least once a month. The two biggest promoters in the game have or are about to throw out mismatches. TR recently made the #2 P4P guy in the sport in Manny fight Chris Algieri on ppv lmfao & GBP is about to have the #2 guy at 154 fight a guy who hasn't even fought for a year & is a known nutty ass cat yet people are still talking about Danny Garcia fighting Rod Salka like this sorta thing has never happened before.

And then probably the #2 thing he gets sh!t about is a speculative thing that seems to be becoming less speculative as we move forward. Thats the trying to build a boxing UFC thing. Now personally I'd love to see this & I think when you break down the upsides of the realities of this, 1)the best fight the best monthly, 2)there is a high quality product promoting the sport of boxing like the NBA & NFL does for their respective sports & 3)one champion, they love it, but I don't think their issues with Haymon being at the center of this keeps them loving it. Thus its not really about the concept of a boxing UFC its that Al would be the guy behind it.

[tiny_acres]

What a bunch of racial bullshit.
This place has become a cesspool of trolls and morons.

[Datsue]

Nice of the OP & Reggie to come out & explain why they spend so much time defending the dude.

I mean, reading between the lines it was fvcking obvious & I kinda understand your point, I really do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw_mRaI ... e=youtu.be

But still: no matter the colour of his skin & your knee-jerk reaction to same, guys, he's still a scumfuck. Your scumfuck, maybe, but I kinda think you're being gamed a bit.

[ReggieDiggs]

Nice of the OP & Reggie to come out & explain why they spend so much time defending the dude.

Like I've said many times I'm rooting for Al. I'm not defending him so much as rooting for him cuz he's doing some things that could be interesting for boxing moving forward. I do often make light of why people hate him cuz its so nonsensical.

Everyone else, TR, GBP, HBO, etc. & so on are just doing the standard "scumf#ckery" as you put it. He's on some new level "scumf#ckery" to put it in a way you & others might be able to understand but maybe blinded towards for the 3 reasons I mentioned. The other sh!t people say makes lil to no sense in the boxing business.

With how boxing is & has been for quite awhile I'll vote for the devil I don't know all day to see some change (I was hyping AIBA Pro Boxing & am still hoping they have some impact). And be serious brother I've been critical of him many times, but you & others will ignore that cuz its not conducive to your take on my take.

And I mean obviously this is the biggest thing going on in boxing outside of the Floyd vs Manny fight so its getting talked about a lot by a lot of people who are being speculative on lil evidence of "evil intentions" thus you will be seeing me in those threads saying sh!t to people who are making lil logical sense in their hate or dislike for Al.

[Datsue]

Like I've said many times I'm rooting for Al. I'm not defending him so much as rooting for him cuz he's doing some things that could be interesting for boxing moving forward. I do often make light of why people hate him cuz its so nonsensical.

Everyone else, TR, GBP, HBO, etc. & so on are just doing the standard "scumf#ckery" as you put it. He's on some new level "scumf#ckery" to put it in a way you & others might be able to understand but maybe blinded towards for the 3 reasons I mentioned. The other sh!t people say makes lil to no sense in the boxing business.

With how boxing is & has been for quite awhile I'll vote for the devil I don't know all day to see some change (I was hyping AIBA Pro Boxing & am still hoping they have some impact). And be serious brother I've been critical of him many times, but you & others will ignore that cuz its not conducive to your take on my take.

And I mean obviously this is the biggest thing going on in boxing outside of the Floyd vs Manny fight so its getting talked about a lot by a lot of people who are being speculative on lil evidence of "evil intentions" thus you will be seeing me in those threads saying sh!t to people who are making lil logical sense in their hate or dislike for Al.

Fair enough mate, I don't--despite everyone's hysteria when you mention the name--actually hate him more than I hate any other scumfuck boxing promoter. I do dislike it when you--disingenuously, in my eyes--wheedle out of obvious facts that the PBC PR machine would like to paper over, such as holding the entire sport to ransom & forcing people to suck dick rather than enjoying watching fights, which is all I care about really.

Remember how Trinidad vs De La Hoya didn't get made for years because of the two rival promoters (one black, remember), & how they only fought when they were passed-it & obviously not at their physical peak? No, neither do I. Yet watch how long the whole Kovalev-Stevenson thing will dick out for.

I think boxing promoters are all the same, & to steal a line from Larry Holmes, "The only colour they care about is green," & weird fanboy-ism just 'cos you found a scumfuck who you can personally relate to does, I admit, offend me on a deep, cellular level.

I like to think that were a Romani to become a huge boxing power-broker, I'd have the nous & honesty to call him out on bullshit & skullduggery, but I accept that context is everything & my situation doesn't mirror yours at all. Were I Slovenian & the same ethnicity, & a Romani became a huge boxing power-broker, then, yeah, maybe I'd think like you, but I dunno.

[Ricky_]

How about "he's black and a crook"? Or are they one and the same anyway?



































That was a joke btw

[ReggieDiggs]

Fair enough mate, I don't--despite everyone's hysteria when you mention the name--actually hate him more than I hate any other scumfuck boxing promoter. I do dislike it when you--disingenuously, in my eyes--wheedle out of obvious facts that the PBC PR machine would like to paper over, such as holding the entire sport to ransom & forcing people to suck dick rather than enjoying watching fights, which is all I care about really.

And you must understand that to make an omelet you gotta break a few eggs. The options that most people put forth of the status quo or perfection is a silly ass argument to have & you are intelligent enough to know that unlike the average guy posting on boxrec. I'm against the status quo of boxing as it currently is & perfection is impossible. Al Haymon & AIBA Pro Boxing are the only two entities seemingly trying to change the boxing landscape.

Remember how Trinidad vs De La Hoya didn't get made for years because of the two rival promoters (one black, remember), & how they only fought when they were passed-it & obviously not at their physical peak? No, neither do I. Yet watch how long the whole Kovalev-Stevenson thing will dick out for.

I really can't wait for Artur Beterbiev to skull f#ck one or both these guys so we can quit talking about this "super" fight, but sure its a fun fight & sure its not being made. Again gotta break some eggs. And fwiw its HBO who's not working with Al not Al who's not working with HBO.

When you are really being honest with whats going on you'll see HBO (& Showtime) is just doing the same sh!t as Haymon (outsourcing promotional duties & acting as an investor more than anything else), but no one criticizes it cuz "well HBO guys can't fight Showtime guys derp" (outside of isolated cases obviously). When Haymon guys can't fight HBO guys its the same thing, but somehow its worse. I don't understand why if its already acceptable & not demonized at every turn when HBO is preventing fights.

I think boxing promoters are all the same, & to steal a line from Larry Holmes, "The only colour they care about is green," & weird fanboy-ism just 'cos you found a scumfuck who you can personally relate to does, I admit, offend me on a deep, cellular level.

Well no one is getting into boxing NOT to make money. Some do make money, some don't make money, but outside of some nutty ass manboys who box for fun I think everyone's intentions are clear. Granted some people are probably greedier than others or better at making money then others, but they all are in the business for money or their kinda a dumbass.

And I can relate to a reclusive rich guy who may or may not be gay or likes to f#ck trannies WAY less than the people critical of any of my opinions would like to believe (well tbf the rich part isn't so bad & I wish I could relate to that better). I like the potential impact of things he's doing in boxing. If ten years from now there is one champion in every division & we got a NBA, NFL type league that shows high quality elite fighters all the time & it was directly because of Al or someone who did what Al was trying better than Al was doing it I think thats a great end goal. And the thing is we aren't getting to that point with Bob Arum, Oscar De La Hoya & HBO being the biggest players in boxing.

I like to think that were a Romani to become a huge boxing power-broker, I'd have the nous & honesty to call him out on bullshit & skullduggery, but I accept that context is everything & my situation doesn't mirror yours at all. Were I Slovenian & the same ethnicity, & a Romani became a huge boxing power-broker, then, yeah, maybe I'd think like you, but I dunno.

You can root for the status quo, the people trying to do something different or no one at all. It ain't that f#cking serious despite people trying to make it out to be. Maybe Al becomes the JD Salinger version of Dana White, just makes a sh!tload of money & f#cks things up worse than Bob & Oscar could dream of or he fails miserably. What I do know is he's a guy with more balls than most boxing people in taking risks whatever his master plan is. If boxing ever changes for the better it'll be because of risk takers not the guys bringing you Saul Alvarez vs James Kirkland or saying Floyd vs Oscar made no sense a year before it became the biggest fight in boxing history.

[Datsue]

Fair enough mate, nice to talk to you seriously, it's really enjoyable having a chat with you when you're being level.



PS: Also: "J.D. Salinger version of Dana White".

PPS: For further explication of my position, I have to reiterate that getting boxing back on free TV where a working-class sport can be seen by, you know, poor people is what's needed, definitely & I applaud that. Carl Frampton here in the UK just got shown on ITV (network TV) & got like over a million viewers.

Am I happy about that? Yes, daaaaaaamn straight. Am I prepared to put up a Barry McGuigan poster or start stupid arguments online about how terrible a certain promoter whose name begins with "F" & "W" is & how wonderful Barry is? No. No, I am not. I don't like Eddie Hearn, from what I can glean of the man, & I hate bullshit PPV's (of which he has been guilty, milking the 90s US TV/promoter dynamic to the hilt), but I think he's been good for some boxers, getting them shots they'd never ever have got without him & he's made some enjoyable fights.

Like I said, they're all bastards. Some times they do good things (& getting boxing back on free-to-air TV is unquestionably a Good Thing), sometimes they do bastard-y things. I'd like to reserve my right to comment on this.

[ReggieDiggs]

Fair enough mate, nice to talk to you seriously, it's really enjoyable having a chat with you when you're being level.

but I think everything in this thread has been level. If Al Haymon was a white guy, who was Wladimir Klitschko's advisor & who was an open book he'd be way less demonized. I think its silly to dispute that.

Even if Al was 1 or 2 of those things he'd be less demonized. All 3 of them is a deal breaker for many hardcore fans it seems. Maybe you ain't one of those guys, but I think most people who are demonizing Al are doing so for one or all of those reasons more than the reason he's doing the same sh!t everyone else is doing just with a loftier end goal. Matter of fact a couple people I've had debates with about this suggested the reason they are against Al is largely because he's "one too many" of the bad seeds already in boxing as if there is a quota on bad seeds in the sport which makes me think the real reason is less appealing to admit.

PS: Also: "J.D. Salinger version of Dana White".

I do fancy myself a failed comedian due to stage fright.

PPS: For further explication of my position, I have to reiterate that getting boxing back on free TV where a working-class sport can be seen by, you know, poor people is what's needed, definitely & I applaud that. Carl Frampton here in the UK just got shown on ITV (network TV) & got like over a million viewers.

Am I happy about that? Yes, daaaaaaamn straight.

Yea, getting boxing on regular TV basically down to a numbers game. If you can get x number of people watching boxing x% of them will become fans & blah blah blah in a high tide all ships rise & positive stuff happens.

Like I said, they're all bastards. Some times they do good things (& getting boxing back on free-to-air TV is unquestionably a Good Thing), sometimes they do bastard-y things. I'd like to reserve my right to comment on this.

Brother who ain't a bastard in business? Basically what business breaks down to is a scam. If I can make something for $4 & I can sell it for $30 I'm a genius not a hustler. I think the whole capitalist system helps makes people cynical & untrusting for simple yet structural reasons like that. Thats a whole bigger subject though.

[Datsue]

Oh I getcha... Talk to some of the lads on the British Scene about Amir Khan. Difficult not to read between lines there sometimes...

[man]

These posts should be deleted and the OP banned!

Too many idiots pollute the site.

i think this thread has actually very little
racial motivation ...

[man]

internet forums are a place where extreme voices
are getting most attention. bashing boxing promoters
has become a very popular thing with people coming
up with all kinds of weird ideas on how business in
general works.

i have no first hand experience but my guess is boxing
promotion is a quite tough business. you need to believe
in a product that can be basically worthless within half
an hour and forcing you to write off years of work and often
substantial capital as well. and with those who indeed turn
out to be great, successful fighters you have all kinds of
problems, cause of course their gratitude is limited once
they are up there. so you need tough contracts. and you
maybe really would rather get some money back on your
investment, before you match your stallion with an
unknown tank who might just destroy everything you
build within these thirty minutes.

it does not mean you will protect your fighter at all times,
but i for one have some understanding for both fighters
and promoters who look out for paydays rather than the
riskiest new name. mismatches happen. if you think that
is a new phenomenon look at half of the opponents of
(almost) any ATG that comes to your mind.

[KBB]

The man gives the boxing public boxing on free tv and people still complain; did Bob Arum, Don King, Oscar de la Hoya or any other Promoter do this for our sport??

I think people are always critics and usually for the wrong reasons and what I've read regarding Haymon are clearly the wrong reasons, stop acting like a bunch of ungrateful little prissy whores and drink a cup of Grow The F*ck Up.

We get to watch boxing that would normally either be a PPV card or under one where we'd have to pony up funds to do so, get over yourselves, if you think you can do better then do so. If not, then blow yourselves.

[handsofstone]

MC Hammer is unforgivable

[hoagylt]

Three people put " because he is black" wow,2015 or 1915 ?

[tiny_acres]

Three people put " because he is black" wow,2015 or 1915 ?

All the choices are pathetic.

[hurricanemitch14]

what is this shit and how/why is the thread still up. It has nothing to do with his race. Some are haters that don't want change and some have legit reasons like Garcia/Salka......telling Quillen not to fight Korobov.. etc...