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[RadioElRadar]

Here's a fight I viewed a couple of years ago and I just found my card when I scored it. I'm sure it's still relevant. My scoring hasn't changed all that much. Anyways, here is Ruben Olivares vs. Alexis Arguello through 12 rounds, California scoring.

Round 1: Even
Round 2: Arguello
Round 3: Olivares
Round 4: Olivares
Round 5: Arguello
Round 6: Even
Round 7: Olivares
Round 8: Olivares
Round 9: Olivares
Round 10: Olivares
Round 11: Olivares
Round 12: Olivares
Round 13: KO for Arguello

Total: 8-2 Olivares

Quite amazing the way Olivares at 5'5" put the hurt on the 5'10" Arguello. Of course, it's the way I saw it, but I would like to hear from others on this one.

You know, I thought Olivares (for what it's worth) was way up in this fight too, but this is the first time I've seen a card even close to mine. I've only watched it once, about 5 years ago, and have always been a bit paranoid about my scoring because a lot of what I've read makes out Alexis dominated. I had:

Round 1: Olivares
Round 2: Arguello
Round 3: Olivares
Round 4: Olivares
Round 5: Arguello
Round 6: Even
Round 7: Olivares
Round 8: Olivares
Round 9: Olivares
Round 10: Olivares
Round 11: Olivares
Round 12: Arguello
Round 13: KO for Arguello

8-3-1 Olivares at the time of the stoppage. The judges had it 8-3, 6-5 (Arguello), and 5-5.

A great fight between two of my favourites with a brutal finish

[Counter-puncher]

You're not on your own, at all, mate.

the most i could give arguello would be 4 rounds. Most of the reports i have read had arguello being quite widely outboxed and down on the cards ATOS, too.

[Seamus]

Ruben Olivares vs Alexis arguello

R1.Even
R2.AA
R3.RO
R4.AA
R5.AA
R6.AA
R7.RO
R8.RO
R9.Even
R10.RO
R11.RO
R12.RO

Under the scoring system used for the fight 6-4 for Ruben Olivares at the time of the stoppage.

[scartissue]

Thanks for the input on this, guys.

[Seamus]

The stoppage just came right out of the blue since I hadn't given Arguello a round since way back in the 6th. In fairness to both fighters however, they were both landing solid shots in almost every round.

[scartissue]

A fight I've wanted to look at for some time is James Toney-Reggie Johnson. A really good fight and interesting to see Toney without a wad of suet hanging over the top of his trunks. Here ya go:

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-8 Johnson (Johnson scored a knockdown)
Round 3: 10-9 Johnson
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Toney
Round 6: 10-9 Toney
Round 7: 10-9 Johnson
Round 8: 10-9 Toney
Round 9: 10-9 Johnson
Round 10:10-9 Toney
Round 11:10-9 Toney
Round 12:10-9 Toney

115-114 Toney

Damn close fight

[Seamus]

Sonny Liston vs Bert Whitehurst II

R1.5-4 SL
R2.5-4 SL
R3.5-4 SL
R4.5-4 SL
R5.5-4 BW
R6.5-5 Even
R7.5-4 SL
R8.5-4 SL
R9.5-3 SL
R10.5-3 SL

Sonny Liston 49-40

Sonny Liston vs Eddie Machen

R1.10-9 SL
R2.10-9 SL
R3.10-9 SL
R4.10-9 SL
R5.10-9 SL
R6.9-9 Even 1pt from SL for a low blow
R7.10-9 SL
R8.10-9 SL
R9.10-9 SL
R10.10-9 SL
R11.9-8 EM 2 pts taken from SL for a low blow
R12.10-10 Even

Sonny Liston 117-109

Gutsy performance from Whitehurst, who had his moments but just didn't have the firepower to make it a close bout.He was badly hurt on his feet in the 9th and saved by the bell in the final round after being knocked through the ropes.

Machen was more of a disappointment, because he had the tools to make this more competitive, but only fought in brief spurts. The low blow from Liston in the 11th looked like a clean shot, but it's kind of hard to tell without instant replay. As always I maintain my opinion that Clay beats even a prime Liston bad. Guard is too low for Clay to miss, the heavy jab won't find it's mark against a real mover, and Sonny has tendency to go off balance after missing a low right.

[witherspoon]

http://youtu.be/2wJpK78JITk

Tim Witherspoon v Renaldo Snipes

1. 9 - 10
2. 10 - 10
3. 10 - 9
4. 10 - 9
5. 10 - 10
6. 9 - 10
7. 9 - 10
8. 10 - 9
9. 9 - 10
10. 10 - 9

96-96

Snipes showed Witherspoon a lot of respect in the first 4-5 rounds, he was pretty much running for the first half of the fight. Still, I thought it was harsh of Davey Pearl to get on his back in the 3rd and tell him to 'make a fight of it'. (He actually obliged and immediately got caught with a big left hook which probably cost him the round)

Commentator observes that Witherspoon looks inexperienced because he doesn't know how to cut off the ring. But Witherspoon did say before the fight that he would let Snipes tire himself out, so I wonder if Tim just allowed Snipes the space to move (and he moved a lot) thinking that Snipes would tire more quickly.

Witherspoon is very efficient with his punches when he does manage to get Snipes on the ropes, his body punching looks particularly hurtful, he makes everything count and he wastes nothing. He's patient with that overhand right too. He doesn't throw it until the fifth, and it hurts Snipes when it lands.

Whatever Witherspoon's plan, he's the one who is more tired in the last 3 rounds. Snipes is much busier, and lands more punches but Witherspoon's punches do more damage.

It's easy to say that Snipes was too cautious in the first half of the fight, but Witherspoon was looking pretty sharp and his punches were hard and accurate when he had Snipes on the ropes. I think Snipes' gameplan was sound, Witherspoon was much less effective once he ran out of gas. But credit to him for gritting it out in the last round.

I think it's more accurate to say that Witherspoon's conditioning cost him this fight. (IMO)

[Seamus]

Marvin Hagler vs John Mugabi

R1.10-9 JM
R2.10-9 JM
R3.10-9 MH
R4.10-9 MH
R5.10-9 MH
R6.10-9 MH
R7.9-9 Even (1pt taken from MH for low blows)
R8.10-9 MH
R9.10-10 Even
R10. 10-9 MH

Marvin Hagler KO 11 John Mugabi

I think if Hagler fought southpaw the entire fight this one probably would have ended a couple rounds earlier. Still probably Mugabi's best performance.

[scartissue]

I saw this fight back in the day and thought I'd sit down with pen and paper and rewatch. Tough, close fight where a judge's preference on what he sees in a bout shows through. I love pure boxing, sharp boxing and not necesarily the mauling style employed by Hamsho. But I can't deny its effectiveness in the trenches. Anyways here ya go. Alan Minter vs. Mustafa Hamsho.

Round 1: 10-9 Hamsho
Round 2: 10-9 Minter
Round 3: 10-9 Hamsho
Round 4: 10-9 Hamsho
Round 5: 10-9 Minter
Round 6: 10-9 Minter
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Minter
Round 9: 10-9 Hamsho
Round 10: 10-9 Hamsho

96-95 Hamsho

[Seamus]

Slobodan Kacar vs Eddie Mustafa Muhammad

R1.10-9 EMM
R2.10-9 SK
R3.10-9 EMM
R4.10-9 EMM
R5.10-9 EMM
R6.10-9 SK
R7.10-9 SK
R8.10-10
R9.10-9 EMM
R10.10-9 SK
R11.10-8 SK (1pt taken from EMM for a headbutt)
R12.10-9 SK
R13.10-9 SK
R14.10-9 EMM
R15.10-9 EMM

Slobodan Kacar 143-142

This was an excellent fight filled with action through 8 rounds, but then it got a bit sloppy. Eddie Mustafa Muhammad would almost certainly have won it had he stayed with his fight plan and went to Kacar's body. Instead he headhunted almost the entire fight and his harder punches were cancelled out by Kacar's high work rate. On my scorecard the headbutt turned out to be the difference. Surprising that Kacar got destroyed in his next fight by Bobby Czyz.

[Ambling Alp II]

Seamus - (or anyone else for that mattter) When you get a chance, do Saad Muhammad-Jerry Martin; while it lasted.

[Seamus]

I watched it live and never saw it again. I seem to remember it being a bad stoppage.

[scartissue]

Cassius Clay vs Doug Jones

R1.DJ
R2.DJ
R3.CC
R4.CC
R5.DJ
R6.DJ
R7.Even
R8.CC
R9.DJ
R10.CC

Doug Jones 5-4-1

Clay looked tentative early on and got nailed with a big right in the first minute of the bout, but he looked to be coming on in 3 and 4 scoring with lot's of combination, but uncharacteristically appeared tired in 5 thru 7. Clay through some good flurries in this fight, but looked unusually easy to hit with long rights and left hooks. It could have been a draw maybe, but one judge had Clay ahead by a ridiculous margin.

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Seamus, I knew this one was on here somewhere. I finally got a chance to sit down with this one. Do you believe we differ on 6 rounds? It goes to show how one might view this fight. Anyways, here you go.

Round 1: Jones
Round 2: Clay
Round 3: Clay
Round 4: Jones
Round 5: Jones
Round 6: Even
Round 7: Clay
Round 8: Jones
Round 9: Clay
Round 10: Clay

5-4-1 Clay

[Seamus]

Marvin Hagler vs Roberto Duran

R1.10-9 RD
R2.10-9 MH
R3.10-9 MH
R4.10-9 MH
R5.10-9 RD
R6.10-9 MH
R7.10-9 MH
R8.10-9 MH
R9.10-9 MH
R10.10-9 MH
R11.10-10
R12.10-9 RD
R13.10-9 RD
R14.10-9 MH
R15.10-9 MH

Marvin Hagler 146-140

Always thought the scoring in this fight was bizarre. Hagler was way busier, consistently quicker, and thoroughly outjabbed Duran. It was almost like he lost pts and had his performance heavily criticized for never really hurting Duran. At times he did fight too cautiously, but at the bell the scoring looked just plain weird (one judge had 6 rds even !) And regarding Hagler's boxing stance, it was the exact opposite of the Mugabi fight, with Hagler fighting very effectively right handed.

[Seamus]

Marvin Hagler vs Bennie Briscoe

50-41 for Hagler who won the first 9 in my opinion, with the final round even.

Hagler completely outworked the plodding Briscoe, who was consistently beaten to the punch. Don't think I can recall a fight where Hagler through so many jabs.

[Seamus]

Sugar Ray Leonard vs Wilfred Benitez

R1.10-9 RL
R2.10-10
R3.10-8 RL (Benitez dropped by a short sneaky left )
R4.10-9 RL
R5.10-10
R6.10-9 WB (Benitez forehead cut from an accidental collision)
R7.10-10
R8.10-9 RL
R9.10-9 RL
R10.10-9 WB
R11.10-9 RL
R12.10-9 RL
R13.10-9 RL
R14.10-9 WB

137-131 for Sugar Ray Leonard at the time of the stoppage.

If Leonard had one possible weakness, it was that he could be too patient at times. Yes, it could be dangerous to be too aggressive against Benitez at times, but in several rounds, he could have made more use of his jab. Still it's hard to find much fault with Leonard for a bout he still would have won wide had it not been stopped. With a 10-8 final rd, my score would have been 147-139 over a prime Wilfred Benitez.

[Seamus]

Wilfred Benitez vs Roberto Duran

R1.10-9 WB
R2.10-9 RD
R3.10-9 WB
R4.10-9 WB
R5.10-9 WB
R6.10-9 RD
R7.10-9 RD
R8.10-9 WB
R9.10-9 WB
R10.10-9 WB
R11.10-9 WB
R12.10-9 WB
R13.10-10
R14.10-9 WB
R15.10-9 WB

Wilfred Benitez 147-139

Only the second time I've watched this fight in it's entirety, and the first was when I watched it live on TV. Great performance from Benitez who outboxed and outworked Duran for most of the fight. Amazingly the judges had him winning by only 4, 3 and 1 pt ! I think the key to victory for Benitez was his faster, shorter, more accurate punches on the inside, and some good body work that slowed Duran up at times.

[Counter-puncher]

Wilfred Benitez vs Roberto Duran

R1.10-9 WB
R2.10-9 RD
R3.10-9 WB
R4.10-9 WB
R5.10-9 WB
R6.10-9 RD
R7.10-9 RD
R8.10-9 WB
R9.10-9 WB
R10.10-9 WB
R11.10-9 WB
R12.10-9 WB
R13.10-10
R14.10-9 WB
R15.10-9 WB

Wilfred Benitez 147-139

Only the second time I've watched this fight in it's entirety, and the first was when I watched it live on TV. Great performance from Benitez who outboxed and outworked Duran for most of the fight. Amazingly the judges had him winning by only 4, 3 and 1 pt ! I think the key to victory for Benitez was his faster, shorter, more accurate punches on the inside, and some good body work that slowed Duran up at times.

good post and your scorecard (as it often does, it seems) matches my memory of the fight. probably Benitez's finest hour, IMO

[Seamus]

Almost forgot to mention, after the bout, Benitez went over to congratulate Duran, who in yet another classless display, wanted nothing to do with Wilfred. Didn't matter though, Benitez had the last laugh, he won the fight and everyone knew it.

[scartissue]

Sat down this morning over a cup a joe and watched the 4th meeting between Emile Griffith and Luis Rodriguez. Excellent fight until the latter rounds when clinches became more frequent, but did not detract from the fight for me. I will totally admit that my score is wayyy off from the official and unofficial scorecards. 5 point must system, here ya go.

Round 1: 5-4 EG
Round 2: 5-4 LR
Round 3: 4-4 Even (I had Rodriguez winning this one but 1 point was deducted for a low blow)
Round 4: 5-4 LR
Round 5: 5-4 LR
Round 6: 5-4 LR
Round 7: 5-4 LR
Round 8: 5-4 LR
Round 9: 5-4 LR
Round 10: 5-5 Even
Round 11: 5-4 LR
Round 12: 5-4 EG
Round 13: 5-5 Even
Round 14: 5-4 EG
Round 15: 5-4 LR

I had it 71-65 for Rodriguez. I cannot come up with any way possible of favoring Griffith in this one. For me, Rodriguez is simply the busier fighter. I think his body work was really ignored in this one. Perhaps the key is when Dunphy mentions Griffith was catching a lot on his arms. i don't know. Maybe at ringside it looked different, but on youtube, even allowing for Griffith catching blows, Rodriguez was still the busier fighter. And as the fight wore on Griffith's body language told a tale. One could see him shifting and grimacing when Rodriguez was going to the body. These blows were getting through and telling. I'm always confident in my scoring, but I will admit that I'm obviously at odds with what was written.

[Seamus]

Joe Frazier vs Muhammad Ali I

R1.JF 1pt
R2.MA 1pt
R3.Even
R4.MA 1pt
R5.JF 1pt
R6.JF 1pt
R7.JF 1pt
R8.JF 1pt
R9.MA 1pt
R10.JF 1pt
R11.JF 2pts
R12.JF 1pt
R13.MA 1pt
R14.MA 1pt
R15.JF 2pts

Under scoring system used. 1pt for winning a round, 2 pts typically for a knockdown or winning round decisively, 0 pts for an even round. I scored it Joe Frazier 11-5. Had the 10 pt must been in use that would have been 145-139 for Joe Frazier.

[elmersalsa]

Joe Frazier vs Muhammad Ali I

R1.JF 1pt
R2.MA 1pt
R3.Even
R4.MA 1pt
R5.JF 1pt
R6.JF 1pt
R7.JF 1pt
R8.JF 1pt
R9.MA 1pt
R10.JF 1pt
R11.JF 2pts
R12.JF 1pt
R13.MA 1pt
R14.MA 1pt
R15.JF 2pts

Under scoring system used. 1pt for winning a round, 2 pts typically for a knockdown or winning round decisively, 0 pts for an even round. I scored it Joe Frazier 11-5. Had the 10 pt must been in use that would have been 145-139 for Joe Frazier.

Frazier whipped that azz!

[Seamus]

Ali was too stationary in that fight. When he through in some movement and doubled up on his jab, he controlled the fight. Same story vs Norton. Lay on the ropes and you lose rounds, jab and move and you win them.

[elmersalsa]

Ali was too stationary in that fight. When he through in some movement and doubled up on his jab, he controlled the fight. Same story vs Norton. Lay on the ropes and you lose rounds, jab and move and you win them.

You just can't just move and run all night. In some point in time in the fight, you gotta trade and slug it out. Give Smokin' Joe credit for his relentless and unbelievable pressure. He made a performance of the ages!