Big punchers with suspect chins

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 09 Jan 2006, 21:37

A short list of fighters who had big kayo power but not so great chins.Bob Satterfield, Mark Breland, Florentino Fernandez, Ruby Goldstein, Tommy Hearns, There are lots more post yours.

vagabundo55 · Post by **vagabundo55** » 10 Jan 2006, 01:09

Pipino Cuevas

DoubleM · Post by **DoubleM** » 10 Jan 2006, 04:56

Eugene Hart. Huge puncher, but somewhat glass-jawed. Or perhaps it was down to his lack of motivation.

Woller · Post by **Woller** » 10 Jan 2006, 06:07

What about Reggie Meen? Nearly all fights K.O. or K.O. By

Søren Woller

dr_devious · Post by **dr_devious** » 10 Jan 2006, 06:14

Vladimir Klitchsko is a big puncher with a dodgy chin. As for Tommy Hearns, I always thought his "glass jaw" was a figment of everyones imagination. He was a WW that only got beat once, by Sugar Ray Leonard and that was a ferocious battle. He was never beaten in the LM division, and came unstuck at MW against Marvin Hagler after the mother of wars. To get stopped by Leonard and Hagler doesnt mean hes got a glass chin. Most of Tommy's knockdowns were in the latter part of his career in the heavier weight divisions, that doesnt mean hes got a glass jaw

dalek · Post by **dalek** » 10 Jan 2006, 06:30

he hardly had a granite chin.i can still remember barkley flattening him.

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 10 Jan 2006, 09:03

Jaime Garza

ebeneezer · Post by **ebeneezer** » 10 Jan 2006, 11:19

Tommy Morrison springs to mind.

I would have said Gerry Cooney but I don't think his chin wasn't that bad. It took Holmes 13 rounds to get rid of him.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 10 Jan 2006, 12:39

bob satterfield is the definition of this thread

barry · Post by **barry** » 10 Jan 2006, 12:41

Reggie Meen had to be one hell of a puncher because he certainly had very little killer instinct to go after an opponent who was hurt...I would like to know how many of his KO's were clean and how many were TKO...I'd guess that he mostly had KO's because of his demeanor in the ring.

Bob Satterfield would have been a chamnpion if his chin wasn't what it was, but his partying and reckless living played as much to his losing as his chin did.

Thomas Hearns would have been close to unbeatable if he would of had a solid chin, but his lack of made him vunerable to any big puncher and in mythical match-ups that chin would always be a liability when up against the best.

Some others that come to mind...

Peter Maher was possibly the hardest hitting fighter for his weight ever, but durability and endurance was weak. If he did not get his opponent out within the first round, or two he was usually doomed to a vicious knockout!

Joe Butler was another early fighter who could really bang, but wasn't very durable.

George "KO" Chaney...one of the hardest hitting fighters ever, but his chin was his downfall when he faced the likes of Johnny Kilbane and other top guys.

Ruby Golstein was a golden boy, an almost can't miss fighter, but then he was hit on the chin and everything went out the window.

Battling Torres, Mexican of the 50s and 60s was one hell of a puncher, but he couldn't take it.

Ricardo Moreno---59 knockouts in 60 wins, but he also suffered mostly knockouts when he lost, if I remember correctly, all of his losses were by knockout, but man could he punch!

Tony Mundine, the dad, was another of the big punch, light chin breed.

I was glad to see someone mention Florentino Fernandez...man he was a bomber!

Borinken25 · Post by **Borinken25** » 10 Jan 2006, 14:43

Now I'll say Diego Corrales.

Razor · Post by **Razor** » 10 Jan 2006, 16:01

Lennox Lewis

iceman21287 · Post by **iceman21287** » 10 Jan 2006, 16:07

Razor wrote:Lennox Lewis

Lewis had a much better chin than most give him credit for. He took some massive shots in his career without falling. The two KO's against McCall and Rahman were more from poor defense and lack of focus than from a weak chin.

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 10 Jan 2006, 16:16

Decagon

You say Tommy Hearns had a very good chin, you of course must be kidding , Right ?

Frank

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 10 Jan 2006, 16:29

Henry Milligan
Herbie Hide

iceman21287 · Post by **iceman21287** » 10 Jan 2006, 16:52

kikibalt wrote:Decagon

You say Tommy Hearns had a very good chin, you of course must be kidding , Right ?

Frank

Uhh...how could he NOT have a great chin? How many shots did he take from Marvin Hagler before he finally went down? Guys w/ suspect chins are people like Zab Judah who get rocked by guys like Carlos Baldomir.

Hearns got knocked out in the 14th round of a war with Sugar Ray Leonard, in the 3rd round of one of the greatest wars of all-time against Hagler, and in the 3rd round by a prime Iran Barkley.

Those are the only times in his entire career (Uriah Grant doesn't count for obvious reasons) in which Thomas Hearns was knocked out.

If you're basing the idea that Hearns has a weak chin off of knockouts against Sugar Ray Leonard, Marvin Hagler, and Iran Barkley - two hall of famers and one great fighter - then that's not much of an argument in my opinion.

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 10 Jan 2006, 20:39

Many people say that Herans had a glass jaw and that is an exaggeration.
However, he did have a ordinary chin that left him vulnerable to a good puncher. The other great fighters of his era (Duran, Benitez, Leonard and of course Hagler) all had much better chins. So in comparison it seemed that he had a glass jaw. However, he had a lot of guts and often was able to hang on when he was hurt.

In the first fight against Leonard, he was hurt in several rounds but somehow was able to stay on his feet until late in the fight.
Even in the Hagler fight, many people don't seem to remember that he actually beat the count after he was knocked down. Of course he was in no condition to continue and the fight was justifiably stopped. Still he show guts to get up after the hammering he took.

He was hurt in other fights but usually was able to regroup. The Barkley fight was his only really embarrassing ko defeat. Barkley was capable, but he wasn't a great fighter by any means.

As for other big punchers with questionable chins, how about Floyd Patterson? He wasn't a lethal puncher but he could hit. Of course he didn't have a good chin either.

ferroz · Post by **ferroz** » 11 Jan 2006, 00:29

mercman wrote:Earnie Shavers was a massive puncher but his chin, although being far from a glass jaw, wasn't the strongest.

There was an article on ring magazine in which they call this Ernie Shavers syndrome.

walshb · Post by **walshb** » 11 Jan 2006, 03:15

Hearns I feel had a better chin than given credit for. He went 14 rds with Leonard and was stopped from exhaustion rather than glass chin. He was perfectly caught by the big hitting Barkley and against Marvin I think he punched himself out and was lacking energy big time. Didn't Manny Steward mention that he had received a Massage on his legs before the fight which drained him??

ShoeShine · Post by **ShoeShine** » 11 Jan 2006, 11:28

Tommy lacked the stanima, I dont think his chin was weak.

dalek · Post by **dalek** » 11 Jan 2006, 11:40

barkley was not a great fighter imo.

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 11 Jan 2006, 15:58

Decagon wrote:
ShoeShine wrote:Tommy lacked the stanima, I dont think his chin was weak.
It wasn't stamina that cost him middleweight matches against Hearns and Barkley. Hearns was always in pretty good shape, but I would concede that stamina was a problem in the first Leonard fight; he overtrained.

Do you have proof of Hearns being overtrained for Leonard?

Richie Aprille rules · Post by **Richie Aprille rules** » 11 Jan 2006, 16:06

dalek wrote:barkley was not a great fighter imo.

As much as I liked him (he was one of my favs), he can't be a great fighter in ayone's mind.

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 12 Jan 2006, 07:47

Decagon wrote:
The Great John L wrote:Do you have proof of Hearns being overtrained for Leonard?
The word of his trainer is a lot more compelling than anything you've ever posted.

:P :P Again you show your ignorance of the sport. Saying that a fighter is overtrained for a fight is one of the most common excuses used when a fighter loses a fight late and appears to run out of gas. In reality, Leonards body punching is what caused Hearns to eventually collapse into a heap. You could see him getting broken down as the fight progressed. But perhaps you have just seen the highlights of this fight as well.

Besides, you haven't provided any PROOF that Hearns was overtrained, just another unsubstantiated opinion.

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