Which organisation outside of the big 4 do you rate?

[dw01]

We all know who the BIG-FOUR are; WBC, WBA, IBF and WBO, but there's also a long list of other alphabet bodies out there too, each sanctioning their versions of National, Continental and World titles.

Are there any out there that seem to be going in the right direction as far as credibility goes?

Oh, and here's some of the orgs i've came across on to date:

International Boxing Association / Organization / Union / Council
Independent Boxing Syndicate
World Boxing Union (two different ones)
World Professional Boxing Federation
World Boxing Federation
World Boxing Foundation
World Boxing Forum
Global Boxing Union / Council / Organization / Federation

Probably a load of others too.


Are any of these organisations doing positive things to develop upcoming pro boxers?

[tiny_acres]

We all know who the BIG-FOUR are; WBC, WBA, IBF and WBO, but there's also a long list of other alphabet bodies out there too, each sanctioning their versions of National, Continental and World titles.

Are there any out there that seem to be going in the right direction as far as credibility goes?

Oh, and here's some of the orgs i've came across on to date:

International Boxing Association / Organization / Union / Council
Independent Boxing Syndicate
World Boxing Union (two different ones)
World Professional Boxing Federation
World Boxing Federation
World Boxing Foundation
World Boxing Forum
Global Boxing Union / Council / Organization / Federation

Probably a load of others too.


Are any of these organisations doing positive things to develop upcoming pro boxers?

No.
I don't even care about the big 4.I think they are a joke.

[Boxing Writer]

A look at the WBU rankings will make you laugh.

Heavyweight

WBU World Champion
Mark De Mori (Australia)

1. Zhang Junlong (Interim World Champion)
1. Ratko Draskovic (Emeritus World Champion)
2. Wladimir Klitschko
3. Hunter Sam (Intercontinental Champion)
4. Lucas Brown (Former Intercontinental Champion)
5. Deonty Wilder
6. Werner Kreiskott (European Champion)
7. Kubrat Pulev
8. Bryant Jennings
9. Tyson Fury
10. Alexander Povetkin
11. Carlos Takam
12. Tony Thompson
13. Chris Arreola
14. Denis Boytsov
15. Mike Perez

WBU rankings in others divisions are very interesting too - http://wbu-boxing.com/?page_id=2

[Gnome]

The IBO has Wlad and Golovkin as official world champions, and they carry the belts into the ring. I see them as credible.

[Dennis]

I agree that the IBO is credible. I like their monthly computerized rankings showing the top 100 in each weight class.

[Artem]

A look at the WBU rankings will make you laugh.

WBU rankings in others divisions are very interesting too - http://wbu-boxing.com/?page_id=2

DD DD DD WBU rankings made my day

[ReggieDiggs]

LOL at those WBU rankings. I'm shocked they got an Emeritus World Champion. Had no clue about that.

This is such a awful joke. Just like any asshole who doesn't fall of the treadmill can get a boxing license, any asshole who can come up with a half decent acronym can make their own abc belt.

Creating a abc belt org must be a proposition that is incapable of losing money. Maybe you just need 1 belt to take to fights to give to a guy when he wins it, but then you take it back & mail him his real belt from the sanctioning fees he paid you. Idk. All of these abc belt org's suck is my bottom line, but I'd still love to see a documentary made about how they work exactly when they are these lesser, even more bs abc belt orgs. What exactly are the day to day operations at WBU or the WBF like? Does the president got an office or is he working out of a mobile home or something?

[hurricanemitch14]

None i hardly pay attention to the big 4.......

Example Danny Garcia vs Lamont Peterson both champs and they r not defending their titles. I could care less......if the fighters and us fans would quot worrying about the titles then fighter could fight the best instead of being forced to defend their shitty title against neverwillbes

[jas80s]

I know he is not very popular, but I truly believe that Wlad has earned a shot at the WBU belt...go ahead, flame away...


To answer the original question, I don't care about any of them. Most fans pretty much have a sense of where guys rank from the best (champ if you will) down through the top several contenders.

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We all know who the BIG-FOUR are; WBC, WBA, IBF and WBO, but there's also a long list of other alphabet bodies out there too, each sanctioning their versions of National, Continental and World titles.

Are there any out there that seem to be going in the right direction as far as credibility goes?

Oh, and here's some of the orgs i've came across on to date:

International Boxing Association / Organization / Union / Council
Independent Boxing Syndicate
World Boxing Union (two different ones)
World Professional Boxing Federation
World Boxing Federation
World Boxing Foundation
World Boxing Forum
Global Boxing Union / Council / Organization / Federation

Probably a load of others too.


Are any of these organisations doing positive things to develop upcoming pro boxers?

I honestly couldn't begin to answer this.

Do any of them do anything positive for upcoming professional boxers?

Also, when does an alphabet organisation become 'big' & accepted?

I'm only asking, because I distinctly remember the WBO being laughed out of town, not too long ago, now it is referred to as 'big' & it is accepted as a so-called legitimate world championship.

What hoops would all the other so-called joke alphaphet organisations have to jump through to get 'big' status?

[ClivePatrickLyons]

The IBO has Wlad and Golovkin as official world champions, and they carry the belts into the ring. I see them as credible.

To go down in the boxing all of fame as a world champion you need to win one of the BIG 4, The WBA have super/world/interim, WBC/WBO have interim etc etc etc not sure if the IBF have interim but anyways Gnome please get on to the schedule for some up coming IBO tittle fights. I don't think I need say anymore...............

[Noxy]

None, I don't even necessarily rate the big 4. There's no point going on about it because different titles are the reality of boxing but it's bad when the top guys don't meet because of it. As for these, super, interim, emeritus champs etc. ffs... How are you supposed to keep track of them.

[meahdem]

i was explaining to someone at work why scott quigg was not really a world champ, and he just started laughing and said what the fvck you on about.

[BoxBuzz]

World
Boxing
Evangelists

WBE seems to be missing here.

[JMac]

International Boxing Association is AIBA. They took the word amateur out since they have started a semi pro (WSB) and pro (APB) leagues and they still get to fight in the Olympics. There really isn't such a thing as amateur anymore. The top amateurs have been getting paid for years.

[sucracristo]

klitschko, lennox lewis, GGG, floyd, manny, rjj, just about every big name
in the sport going back almost 20 years has held the IBO at one point or
another, and usually when they were at or near #1 with the other organizations.
all of the belts are meaningless to me except for who is fighting for them, so
depending on who is fighting for the IBO they are often just as legit as the others.

[Gnome]

The IBO has Wlad and Golovkin as official world champions, and they carry the belts into the ring. I see them as credible.

To go down in the boxing all of fame as a world champion you need to win one of the BIG 4, The WBA have super/world/interim, WBC/WBO have interim etc etc etc not sure if the IBF have interim but anyways Gnome please get on to the schedule for some up coming IBO tittle fights. I don't think I need say anymore...............

I just did. These two fights stand out:

IBO World Heavyweight Wladimir Klitschko vs. Bryant Jennings April 25, 2015 New York
IBO World Middleweight Gennady Golovkin vs. Willie Monroe, Jr. May 16, 2015 California

[biglefthook]

The IBO are in my eyes the best and most honest world title out there

[RScarf1]

LOL at those WBU rankings. I'm shocked they got an Emeritus World Champion. Had no clue about that.

This is such a awful joke. Just like any asshole who doesn't fall of the treadmill can get a boxing license, any asshole who can come up with a half decent acronym can make their own abc belt.

Creating a abc belt org must be a proposition that is incapable of losing money. Maybe you just need 1 belt to take to fights to give to a guy when he wins it, but then you take it back & mail him his real belt from the sanctioning fees he paid you. Idk. All of these abc belt org's suck is my bottom line, but I'd still love to see a documentary made about how they work exactly when they are these lesser, even more bs abc belt orgs. What exactly are the day to day operations at WBU or the WBF like? Does the president got an office or is he working out of a mobile home or something?

For the Women's International Boxing Federation (WIBF), she works out of her condo in Miami Beach. That is President Barbara Buttrick's office. Most of the business is currently run by the WIBF Vice President Jurgen Lutz who also is president of the Global Boxing Union (GBU). The WIBF and GBU are within the same company. There has not been a WIBF title fight in the United States in 5 years. It's very hard to get promoters to want to sanction women's boxing in America. It's true that anyone can make an acronym and belt. Sartonk and Masis are the major belt making companies and they are both in New Jersey. If you use their existing molds/templates, then it is cheaper to make a belt. You just have to put your logo on it. That is what a lot of these minor sanctioning bodies do. It's the same belt, but different color leather and logo. Once a mold is made though for an original belt, then the cost will be lower on future purchases of the belt. I visited Buttrick's condo and her computer was so obsolete that BoxRec was not readable. I helped her get and set up a new computer and printer so that she was no longer in the Stone Age. I made a belt and logo myself with Masis. It's easy to do this, but there is so much competition that it is very hard to make money. You have to convince promoters to pay a sanctioning fee which usually is just $1,000 and when you are a new organization, it is tough to get credibility and promoters to want to do business with you. Then, the promoter also has to pay more money to the referee and judges. This is in addition to the money the officials already make. For a minor organization, the fees would be about $400 for the ref, $300 for each judge, and the supervisor of the title fight (president could also do this to make more money) varies, but I think $200 would be fair. Those fees to the officials are not going to the sanctioning body except for the supervisor's fee if the president or another employee is working the fight. The sanctioning fee is usually only $1,000 for these organizations, but there is time involved to set up these fights. They are not just making money for nothing. The belt/case fee has to be paid because the organizations are paying Masis or Sartonk to make the belts/cases and ship to them. If the organizations wanted to, they could make a profit on this, but it would not be much. If the belt making company charges $800 for the belt and case and $50 for shipping for a total of $850, the organization could charge the promoter $1,000 in order to make a $150 profit. These minor sanctioning bodies are losing money and sometimes have to use their own money to keep the business running. The minor sanctioning bodies have their belts made by the same companies that some of the major ones use. The belts just look different, but it is the same quality metal and leather. The only difference is that these major sanctioning bodies are more popular because they have existed longer and have been on television more often. The World Boxing Federation (WBF) is the best minor sanctioning body in terms of credibility and integrity in my opinion. It's very hard for the minor sanctioning bodies to have world-class men's champions because of the money involved with the major organizations, but they can have many world-class women's champions as the WBF does because the money in women's boxing sucks no matter what. The WBF even took one of the WBA's female champs away and now she is a WBF world champion. In order for a minor sanctioning body to get credibility, they almost have to join forces with the major ones at least temporarily. This is what the major organizations did when they were trying to get into women's boxing. The WBC would unify with the WIBF, but now they don't need to do that. The WBC has the most women's boxing champions and by far the most talent in women's boxing. The GBU unified with one of the major organizations for one fight recently in a men's world title fight, but that was surprising to me and the GBU has existed for many years, so it is not often that the major sanctioning bodies want to do business with the minor organizations. They usually do not need to. If they are going to want to unify with anyone for a title fight, it will be with another major organization. Since the fights for the minor sanctioning bodies are not usually televised, promoters don't want to pay to have a title fight. Why would they want to pay more money to the officials, pay for a belt/case, and pay for sanctioning fees? They are only making money from ticket sales and sponsors if they are fortunate to have companies sponsor the event. The boxers sometimes have to sell a certain amount of tickets in order to be on the card. If a world title fight is not televised and this is usually the case for the women, the promoter cannot afford or does not want to pay for a quality opponent for the champion especially if the promoter is also the manager of the "world champion." As a result, a title defense usually is with a mediocre opponent who is not world-class and is most likely going to lose anyway by decision even if the opponent surprises and deserves to win against the champion because the judges are biased. If you are going to make a sanctioning body, prepare to be your own publicist, so it helps to be a writer and photographer so you can publicize the title fights if and when they happen. Also, don't quit your day job because you most likely will be losing money your first year in business.

[BitPlayer]

IBO I give a little credit, and I think will become one of the big ones eventually.

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IBO I give a little credit, and I think will become one of the big ones eventually.

What, another big one in the alphabet soup?

In a generation from now, an 'undisputed' boxer is going to need a wheelbarrow in order to bring all his 'world' championship belts into the ring.

[T.M.K]

International Boxing Association is AIBA. They took the word amateur out since they have started a semi pro (WSB) and pro (APB) leagues and they still get to fight in the Olympics. There really isn't such a thing as amateur anymore. The top amateurs have been getting paid for years.

Think you got confused there. The AIBA and the IBA are different things.......

Best wishes,

Col/T.M.K

[Enlightened-One]

International Boxing Association is AIBA.

I seem what you mean, but surprisingly, there is an AIBA for the amateurs. It’s a different website to the IBA.

The IBO has Wlad and Golovkin as official world champions, and they carry the belts into the ring. I see them as credible.

The IBO's heavyweight title is vacant and their previous champion was Tyson Fury not Wladimir Klitschko.

I agree that the IBO is credible. I like their monthly computerized rankings showing the top 100 in each weight class.

... so depending on who is fighting for the IBO they are often just as legit as the others.

The IBO are in my eyes the best and most honest world title out there

IBO I give a little credit, and I think will become one of the big ones eventually.

The IBO carries no credibility, despite the fact that six of their champions are considered genuine top-ten world-rated fighters, for the following reasons:
• 79% of the IBO’s champions earned their belt by competing for the vacant title.
• 50% of the IBO champions are not rated in ESPN or Ring’s top ten divisional rankings, with 72% of those titleholders being South African.
• In 43% of the IBO’s most recent vacant world title fights, at least one of the competitors were allowed to compete for the belt despite failing to win their previous outing.
• 43% of the IBO’s champions are South African.

Also, out of interest, do we know if multiple world championship belt-holders like Gennady Golovkin and Erislandy Lara actually pay a sanctioning fee for the right to wear the IBO strap?

Considering these guys didn’t make any effort to engage in a bout where their sole aim was to capture the IBO world title, is it beyond the realms of possibility that they’re allowed a free title reign as their names legitimise and add credibility to that anonymous boxing organisation?

And finally, who the fornicate are these guys?
• Umar Salamov
• Tsiko Mulovhedzi
• Xolisani Ndongeni
• Malcolm Klassen
• Lusanda Komanisi
• Moises Flores
• Gideon Buthelezi
• Simphiwe Khonco
• Renold Quinlan

[T.M.K]

We all know who the BIG-FOUR are; WBC, WBA, IBF and WBO, but there's also a long list of other alphabet bodies out there too, each sanctioning their versions of National, Continental and World titles.

Are there any out there that seem to be going in the right direction as far as credibility goes?

Oh, and here's some of the orgs i've came across on to date:

Independent Boxing Syndicate

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Surely the initials also stand for Irritable Bowl Syndrome

[Enlightened-One]

LOL at those WBU rankings. I'm shocked they got an Emeritus World Champion. Had no clue about that.

This is such a awful joke. Just like any asshole who doesn't fall of the treadmill can get a boxing license, any asshole who can come up with a half decent acronym can make their own abc belt.

Creating a abc belt org must be a proposition that is incapable of losing money. Maybe you just need 1 belt to take to fights to give to a guy when he wins it, but then you take it back & mail him his real belt from the sanctioning fees he paid you. Idk. All of these abc belt org's suck is my bottom line, but I'd still love to see a documentary made about how they work exactly when they are these lesser, even more bs abc belt orgs. What exactly are the day to day operations at WBU or the WBF like? Does the president got an office or is he working out of a mobile home or something?

For the Women's International Boxing Federation (WIBF), she works out of her condo in Miami Beach. That is President Barbara Buttrick's office. Most of the business is currently run by the WIBF Vice President Jurgen Lutz who also is president of the Global Boxing Union (GBU). The WIBF and GBU are within the same company. There has not been a WIBF title fight in the United States in 5 years. It's very hard to get promoters to want to sanction women's boxing in America. It's true that anyone can make an acronym and belt. Sartonk and Masis are the major belt making companies and they are both in New Jersey. If you use their existing molds/templates, then it is cheaper to make a belt. You just have to put your logo on it. That is what a lot of these minor sanctioning bodies do. It's the same belt, but different color leather and logo. Once a mold is made though for an original belt, then the cost will be lower on future purchases of the belt. I visited Buttrick's condo and her computer was so obsolete that BoxRec was not readable. I helped her get and set up a new computer and printer so that she was no longer in the Stone Age. I made a belt and logo myself with Masis. It's easy to do this, but there is so much competition that it is very hard to make money. You have to convince promoters to pay a sanctioning fee which usually is just $1,000 and when you are a new organization, it is tough to get credibility and promoters to want to do business with you. Then, the promoter also has to pay more money to the referee and judges. This is in addition to the money the officials already make. For a minor organization, the fees would be about $400 for the ref, $300 for each judge, and the supervisor of the title fight (president could also do this to make more money) varies, but I think $200 would be fair. Those fees to the officials are not going to the sanctioning body except for the supervisor's fee if the president or another employee is working the fight. The sanctioning fee is usually only $1,000 for these organizations, but there is time involved to set up these fights. They are not just making money for nothing. The belt/case fee has to be paid because the organizations are paying Masis or Sartonk to make the belts/cases and ship to them. If the organizations wanted to, they could make a profit on this, but it would not be much. If the belt making company charges $800 for the belt and case and $50 for shipping for a total of $850, the organization could charge the promoter $1,000 in order to make a $150 profit. These minor sanctioning bodies are losing money and sometimes have to use their own money to keep the business running. The minor sanctioning bodies have their belts made by the same companies that some of the major ones use. The belts just look different, but it is the same quality metal and leather. The only difference is that these major sanctioning bodies are more popular because they have existed longer and have been on television more often. The World Boxing Federation (WBF) is the best minor sanctioning body in terms of credibility and integrity in my opinion. It's very hard for the minor sanctioning bodies to have world-class men's champions because of the money involved with the major organizations, but they can have many world-class women's champions as the WBF does because the money in women's boxing sucks no matter what. The WBF even took one of the WBA's female champs away and now she is a WBF world champion. In order for a minor sanctioning body to get credibility, they almost have to join forces with the major ones at least temporarily. This is what the major organizations did when they were trying to get into women's boxing. The WBC would unify with the WIBF, but now they don't need to do that. The WBC has the most women's boxing champions and by far the most talent in women's boxing. The GBU unified with one of the major organizations for one fight recently in a men's world title fight, but that was surprising to me and the GBU has existed for many years, so it is not often that the major sanctioning bodies want to do business with the minor organizations. They usually do not need to. If they are going to want to unify with anyone for a title fight, it will be with another major organization. Since the fights for the minor sanctioning bodies are not usually televised, promoters don't want to pay to have a title fight. Why would they want to pay more money to the officials, pay for a belt/case, and pay for sanctioning fees? They are only making money from ticket sales and sponsors if they are fortunate to have companies sponsor the event. The boxers sometimes have to sell a certain amount of tickets in order to be on the card. If a world title fight is not televised and this is usually the case for the women, the promoter cannot afford or does not want to pay for a quality opponent for the champion especially if the promoter is also the manager of the "world champion." As a result, a title defense usually is with a mediocre opponent who is not world-class and is most likely going to lose anyway by decision even if the opponent surprises and deserves to win against the champion because the judges are biased. If you are going to make a sanctioning body, prepare to be your own publicist, so it helps to be a writer and photographer so you can publicize the title fights if and when they happen. Also, don't quit your day job because you most likely will be losing money your first year in business.

That post just put me to shame, because I've never been able to submit a wall of text like that!