Why Golovkin Fails

[koolkc107]

I think it is because he is acting like an A-side guy when, in spite of all his success, he hasn't reached that plateau yet.

He is almost certainly elite, and one can even argue that he is P4P the best.

But all it is right now is an argument, and a pretty empty one at that.

He has good, solid names on his resume in the last 2 years or so...but not ONE NAME could be called a signature win.

Just take a look at the guys Gennady says he wants to fight.

ALL of them have signature wins and all of them have stepped up to fight elite competition more than once, even going to different weight classes to do it.

You can't keep saying no one wants to fight you in one breath, then in another rejecting an opponent just as legitimate or more legitimate than the guys you have been fighting.

This article says it better than I can.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/03/gen ... ore-189834

[Butterbean]

I think it is because he is acting like an A-side guy when, in spite of all his success, he hasn't reached that plateau yet.

He is almost certainly elite, and one can even argue that he is P4P the best.

But all it is right now is an argument, and a pretty empty one at that.

He has good, solid names on his resume in the last 2 years or so...but not ONE NAME could be called a signature win.

Just take a look at the guys Gennady says he wants to fight.

ALL of them have signature wins and all of them have stepped up to fight elite competition more than once, even going to different weight classes to do it.

You can't keep saying no one wants to fight you in one breath, then in another rejecting an opponent just as legitimate or more legitimate than the guys you have been fighting.

This article says it better than I can.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/03/gen ... ore-189834

Hey man, they wont fight him either. ward, froch and their promotors arent even hiding it. last rumors was that ward needed more than a few fights before fighting ggg. and just eccactly whom has ggg "rejected" and do have any links to this info ?

[koolkc107]

I think it is because he is acting like an A-side guy when, in spite of all his success, he hasn't reached that plateau yet.

He is almost certainly elite, and one can even argue that he is P4P the best.

But all it is right now is an argument, and a pretty empty one at that.

He has good, solid names on his resume in the last 2 years or so...but not ONE NAME could be called a signature win.

Just take a look at the guys Gennady says he wants to fight.

ALL of them have signature wins and all of them have stepped up to fight elite competition more than once, even going to different weight classes to do it.

You can't keep saying no one wants to fight you in one breath, then in another rejecting an opponent just as legitimate or more legitimate than the guys you have been fighting.

This article says it better than I can.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/03/gen ... ore-189834

Hey man, they wont fight him either. ward, froch and their promotors arent even hiding it. last rumors was that ward needed more than a few fights before fighting ggg. and just eccactly whom has ggg "rejected" and do have any links to this info ?

Don't confuse Ward saying he needs a tune-up to him not wanting GGG.

Here's a list of fighters who have said they want to fight Gennady. Not one has been offered a fight or even mentioned as a serious opponent by Golovkin, Abel Sanchez, or GGG promoters.

Ward
Groves
Jacobs
Dirrell
Lara
Chavez jr
BHop

And there are others.

Here's the thing most aren't talking about. How can GGG make a fight with a big name if he never even tries to negotiate to fight one?

Almost immediately after Geale we knew it was going to be Rubio. After Rubio we heard Murray. Almost right after Murray, Monroe.

You cannot get a big fight if you don't even try to get one.

[hurricanemitch14]

Lets not forget the interview that can be watched on utube with ggg not wanting a fight with ward also.

[ikorolev]

Here's a list of fighters who have said they want to fight Gennady. Not one has been offered a fight or even mentioned as a serious opponent by Golovkin, Abel Sanchez, or GGG promoters.

Ward
Groves
Jacobs
Dirrell
Lara
Chavez jr
BHop

And there are others.

Here's the thing most aren't talking about. How can GGG make a fight with a big name if he never even tries to negotiate to fight one?

Almost immediately after Geale we knew it was going to be Rubio. After Rubio we heard Murray. Almost right after Murray, Monroe.

You cannot get a big fight if you don't even try to get one.

Why do people keep repeating the same stupid stuff ? Golovkin's only issue is that K2 is a small company and their priority is Wlad. They just don't offer enough money to Golovkin's B side opponents. Here is a good article on that:
http://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/03/is- ... -golovkin/

The second problem is that opposition which would be an A side (Cotto, Canelo, Froch, Chavez) are ducking him, as they find less risky opponents with the same financial incentive. Again, if K2 could throw sufficient additional money on the table, it could make a difference.

Regarding this list:

Ward -- couldn't fight due to a legal conflict. Now needs two tuneups, meaning at least a year.
Groves -- stopped by Froch twice. What is a point of fighting him ?
Jacobs -- Haymon fighter ***
Dirrell -- Haymon fighter ***
Lara -- Brings no money; Haymon fighter ***
Chavez jr -- Already refused to fight once. Now is Haymon fighter ***
BHop -- did he or GBP send an offer ?

*** Haymon fighters are protected. They can call whoever out but until it is approved by Haymon, they can't fight, especially on HBO. Haymon or their promoters or managers never contacted Loefler for arranging those fights, so those were just words.

[koolkc107]

Stop using the "Haymon fighter" copout.

It isn't true now and I don't know if it ever was.

Haymon fighters fight on HBO when it suits HBO.

If anything, you could blame GGG and K2.

They are the ones who signed an "exclusive deal" with HBO, knowing full well that most of the guys he needs to fight are on Showtime.

But, he gets another chance soon.

His 4 fight deal with HBO ends with Monroe if HBO is foolish enough to air that farce.

Let's see if K2 risks their Guarded Golden Goose

[Impractical Poster]

[ikorolev]

Stop using the "Haymon fighter" copout.

It isn't true now and I don't know if it ever was.

Haymon fighters fight on HBO when it suits HBO.

If anything, you could blame GGG and K2.

They are the ones who signed an "exclusive deal" with HBO, knowing full well that most of the guys he needs to fight are on Showtime.

But, he gets another chance soon.

His 4 fight deal with HBO ends with Monroe if HBO is foolish enough to air that farce.

Let's see if K2 risks their Guarded Golden Goose

He doesn't need to fight Quillin or Jackobs. Everybody knows that he is the man at 160. They are the ones who need to fight him if they want to be taken seriously.

I do hope that Golovkin himself will raise his voice demanding better purses for himself and his opponents. I am afraid that the culture he was raised in (utter respect and loyalty to superiors and elders) may be an obstacle.

[ReggieDiggs]

Basically this.

GGG acting like the A side is nonsense. He's acting like a guy who wants to fight the best guys regardless of silly A side B side sh!t. If Floyd or Miguel are talking about A & B sides I can understand it but I don't see any evidence this is how GGG operates.

Historically there have always been guys in that too good for the risk they present to opponents type guys & thats all GGG is currently. Keith Thurman is in the same boat. Floyd used to be in that same boat back in the day. With any luck both GGG & Keith will be in a similar position as Floyd is. Back in the day Floyd was calling out Shane & Oscar & they turned him down if they even acknowledged him cuz the juice wasn't worth the squeeze & now guys call out Floyd left & right but just like Oscar & Shane back in the day those fights don't make sense for one reason or another. Soon enough guys will be calling out Keith & GGG (with any luck for them) & they won't pay any mind to those up & coming promising guys either & they'll concentrate on the big more meaningful fights for them. When a up & coming guy gets to a certain point then he'll get the fight. Thats kinda how boxing works for elite level cats.

[ikorolev]

Why do you need to deny the obvious: Quillin is protected. The only top 15 middleweight he has ever fought was N'Dam in 2012, and it was their fight for a vacant title.

If there wasn't an HBO obstacle, they would have found another excuse.

[Ricky_]

Mayweather doesn't have a signature win and he's doin pretty well

[koolkc107]

Mayweather doesn't have a signature win and he's doin pretty well

Really?

I'd say a win over a HOF caliber fighter in or near his prime (or even coming off a significant win) is enough to call it potentially a "signature" win.

Where is Golovkin's win like that? Floyd has plenty...

[koolkc107]

Why do you need to deny the obvious: Quillin is protected. The only top 15 middleweight he has ever fought was N'Dam in 2012, and it was their fight for a vacant title.

If there wasn't an HBO obstacle, they would have found another excuse.

Again, last year GGG and K2 had an opportunity to "force" some of these guys they say are avoiding them into the ring.

If Gennady stays a free agent as far as the networks (which he could have because K2 was not TR or GBP) then he could fight on either network and meet whoever he wanted.

Instead, he EXTENDED his HBO contract for a minimum of 4 fights (starting with Geale).

Another thing needs to be clarified.

Haymon has no ban on his fighters appearing on HBO. If I recall correctly, HBO decided not to show fights featuring GBP fighters and that affected Haymon as many of his fighters were promoted by GBP whether they were under contract or not.

There is NO BARRIER WHATSOEVER IN PLACE for Haymon fighters as far as HBO is concerned.

There is NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that Haymon would not have his fighters compete on HBO if the price was right.

Here is an article as a source for the above facts.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2393 ... -big-fight

[ikorolev]

How the f4ck could K2 force Quillin or Chavez to fight GGG ??? Are you totally delusional ?

HBO cut their ties with Haymon due to low quality fights he was making. Of course, there is no stone wall, but name top level Haymon fighters who fought on HBO in the last 12 months ?

[Ricky_]

Mayweather doesn't have a signature win and he's doin pretty well

Really?

I'd say a win over a HOF caliber fighter in or near his prime (or even coming off a significant win) is enough to call it potentially a "signature" win.

Where is Golovkin's win like that? Floyd has plenty...

Floyd's never beat a prime HOF'er in their premium weight class.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

Floyd's never beat a prime HOF'er in their premium weight class.

You are so biased it's not funny. But just for fun ...

Corrales
Castillo
Floyd beat a Mosley who dominated the man who just dominated a prime Cotto. I think people overrate Mosley's early career. He wasn't that far from prime at that moment.
Hatton fought a Floyd who was still a 140 pounder ... so the 147 limit really didn't matter.
If Alvarez is in his prime now, Floyd dominated a guy who fought even to a close loss with Lara.
Maidana (2X) The hardest HOF stretch. But if he has 3-5 more big wins, he probably gets in.

I don't know if all these guys get in, but with boxing's HOF it's weird. They are all definitely much better than several fighters in the hall.

[diddy]

The ducking of Lara is certainly annoying. Lara is the only guy who is remotely good who is willing to face him at 160. We know Canelo and Cotto dont want it. Lara does. Make it happen.

[Rexob]

Mayweather doesn't have a signature win and he's doin pretty well

Really?

I'd say a win over a HOF caliber fighter in or near his prime (or even coming off a significant win) is enough to call it potentially a "signature" win.

Where is Golovkin's win like that? Floyd has plenty...

Floyd's never beat a prime HOF'er in their premium weight class.

No you are right he's shitee

[Ricky_]

Floyd's never beat a prime HOF'er in their premium weight class.

You are so biased it's not funny. But just for fun ...

Corrales
Castillo
Floyd beat a Mosley who dominated the man who just dominated a prime Cotto. I think people overrate Mosley's early career. He wasn't that far from prime at that moment.
Hatton fought a Floyd who was still a 140 pounder ... so the 147 limit really didn't matter.
If Alvarez is in his prime now, Floyd dominated a guy who fought even to a close loss with Lara.
Maidana (2X) The hardest HOF stretch. But if he has 3-5 more big wins, he probably gets in.

I don't know if all these guys get in, but with boxing's HOF it's weird. They are all definitely much better than several fighters in the hall.

I don't even know where to start. But say it again. Mayweather beat a prime mosley. Say it. Say it.

[koolkc107]

Mayweather doesn't have a signature win and he's doin pretty well

Really?

I'd say a win over a HOF caliber fighter in or near his prime (or even coming off a significant win) is enough to call it potentially a "signature" win.

Where is Golovkin's win like that? Floyd has plenty...

Floyd's never beat a prime HOF'er in their premium weight class.

Kind of a self serving argument, isn't it?

It's like me saying, well LaMotta never faced Walker Smith as a welter so his wars with Sugar don't count.

Floyd's resume is impressive by any standard...and it is full on HOF caliber fighters.

[ikorolev]

I am Golovkin's fan, but comparing his opposition to Floyd's at this point is absolutely ridiculous. Can we keep Floyd off this thread ?

[tiny_acres]

I am Golovkin's fan, but comparing his opposition to Floyd's at this point is absolutely ridiculous. Can we keep Floyd off this thread ?

It would be nice to read a thread where it does not automatically turn into
Floyd or Manny.

Yes comparing resumes at this time is a joke.
GGG will need to break away from K2 at some point in order to make real money and get the
fights we all want to see.I blame the Klit's more than I do GGG for his limited opposition.

[tiny_acres]

Also with GGG's popularity and great ratings on HBO I would think his pay should be in the 2.5-3.5 million range.
Not the barely a million that he is making.
Big money I know but lesser fighters are making more.And they do not bring the crowd that GGG does.

[Ricky_]

Kind of a self serving argument, isn't it?

It's like me saying, well LaMotta never faced Walker Smith as a welter so his wars with Sugar don't count.

Floyd's resume is impressive by any standard...and it is full on HOF caliber fighters.

Huh!? Robinson weighed 145 when he whooped jakes ass.

My point is this. A signature win (as you put it) for elite guys checks all 3 of the following boxes: 1. an all time great calibre fighter, 2. In his prime and 3. In his premium weight class.

So in Floyd's case he has good wins, Mosley and Oscar are atg's but don't tick either of the other 2 boxes. Same with Cotto. Hatton, meh, out his depth at 147, not convinced he's an atg either.

[Purse Bid Shakedown]

Also with GGG's popularity and great ratings on HBO I would think his pay should be in the 2.5-3.5 million range.
Not the barely a million that he is making.
Big money I know but lesser fighters are making more.And they do not bring the crowd that GGG does.

His purses have been going up, he was making 400k or less a year ago. But if you wanna be on HBO 4x a year, you can't be asking for 3m a pop, it's not gonna happen. That was part of his appeal to HBO initially, great bang for the buck. Sure he's gained more leverage since, but they don't wanna overexert like that. He beats a big name on PPV and big purses will come