Fighters who are better than their record:

[Controversial]

Sanderline Williams and Mike "The Bounty" Hunter

[el_grande_mauro_mina]

Sugar Gibiluru - he was a bloody good fighter and as hard as nails but had a terrible record, a lot better than his stats looked, he gave an up and coming Andy Holligan all sorts of grief in their televised eight rounder. Sugar later went on to win the British super featherweight title, which is what his talents deserved.

[Seamus]

Davey Abad

[giacomino]

Carlos Baldomir

[Switch hitter]

Chris Saunders
Orlando Salido
Emanuel Augustus
Harold Brazier
Rolando Bohol
Kenny Vice
Johnny Greaves
Robert Harper
Peter Gabbitus
Terrence Alli

Peter Gabbitus.....boxed him in his next to last fight not all that....Rob Harper definitely should have won more fights than he did

[Rexob]

Most journeymen.

[Bodyshot3]

Sugar Gibiluru - he was a bloody good fighter and as hard as nails but had a terrible record, a lot better than his stats looked, he gave an up and coming Andy Holligan all sorts of grief in their televised eight rounder. Sugar later went on to win the British super featherweight title, which is what his talents deserved.

Yup, that's a sound choice. Faced lots of good men, usually short notice and in their backyard, and was not disgraced too often. More recently there's Jon Thaxton who ended up with an okay-ish 34-11 but was actually miles better than that and went in with all sorts of top boys. Different fighter to Sugar because Jon was viewed as championship-level and the 34-11 is a bit deceiving as he carried on too long. Thaxton v Hatton was a good example of Jon's guts and ability.

[metchampion]

Tony Booth

[palooka]

Chris Saunders
Orlando Salido
Emanuel Augustus
Harold Brazier
Rolando Bohol
Kenny Vice
Johnny Greaves
Robert Harper
Peter Gabbitus
Terrence Alli

Peter Gabbitus.....boxed him in his next to last fight not all that....Rob Harper definitely should have won more fights than he did

Gabbitus was badly managed, in my opinion. Basically, he was an oustanding young amateur, encouraged to turn professional too young (aged 17) and then overmatched several times whilst still a youngster. This, perhaps understandably, put him off the game and he only boxed sporadically from his early-20s onwards. I saw Gabbitus fight a few times and he had plenty of natural talent but his heart was never really in it.

I bumped into Johnny Rushton in town one day and he could be an after dinner speaker, he can really yak. He spoke about Pate Gabbitus and about Dean Bramhald; he said that when he was in the gym he'd say to Dean, 'Dean, I've got you a fight sorted, you're boxing so and so next Saturday' he said that Dean would smile and if he were skipping he'd skip faster, if he was hitting the bag he'd do it harder. If he told Pete that he'd got a fight coming up, Johnny said his head would drop, his work rate would drop and he'd look worried. He said the thing was that people who could really fight didn't want to fight and those who weren't so good were really keen to get in there.

[King Carlos]

Obvious pick: Emanuel Augustus

Maybe slightly better.

[Switch hitter]

Having boxed both i would say Dean would have won.....

[palooka]

I trained alongside both and Dean was a strong man but Peter, on his day was a very good punch picker; I'd sooner be Peter now, he's doing OK and still got his marbles.

[Switch hitter]

I trained alongside both and Dean was a strong man but Peter, on his day was a very good punch picker; I'd sooner be Peter now, he's doing OK and still got his marbles.

Use to see Dean alot where i worked ....is he well??

[palooka]

I trained alongside both and Dean was a strong man but Peter, on his day was a very good punch picker; I'd sooner be Peter now, he's doing OK and still got his marbles.

Use to see Dean alot where i worked ....is he well??

I've sent you a PM, Chris.

[Seamus]

Johnny Risko.

Wasn't even close to winning two thirds of his bouts, but he still beat a long list of highly ranked opponents.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

I'll start of the conversation by suggesting Jersey Joe Walcott.

He had very credible wins over a collection of top Heavyweight contenders and was perhaps very unfortunate that he had guys like Joe Louis, Ezzard Charles & (later) Rocky Marciano competing in the same weight division as him. On another era, he could've been the undisputed number one and had a more significant title reign.

I think that it's also been recognized these days that Walcott had been badly managed in his younger days.

TOTALLY AGREE IS A FU..ING LEGEND NOBODY HAD MOVE'S LIKE JJW [REMEMBER HIS SHUFFLE OFF TO BUFFALLO] IS ONE OF THE MOST UNDER-RATED CHAMPION'S IN HISTORY.

[Scypion]

Kid Gavilan.

[RadioElRadar]

Orlando Salido

Yep, Salido's the best current top-level fighter with an ugly record imo.

Not that he'll ever be a P4P'er or even a top guy in his division probably, but I think the Junior Flyweight Rey Loreto is better than his 20-13 record suggests.

[HomicideHenry]

Most journeymen.

One of my favorites of all time was Reggie Strickland.

The funny thing about Reg' in that era where Federal ID's didn't exist and fighters often traveled together like bands of gypsies going from town to town---- is Reg' admitted he would 'do business' with certain fighters. He would carry guys who weren't good at all, or even lose to them on purpose. That way he would get a shot at someone who was real good, and then to the surprise of many Reg' would dance circles and box the man's head off and Reggie was a 10-1 underdog (or worse). He was a very talented man, he really was. And in alot of ways he was a victim of his own abilities and successes. When the 'real' Reg' stood up, no one wanted to fight him. So he had to do alot of shady deals to get what he wanted.

Look passed the 100+ losses, and you will see a man who fought from 147 pounds to 200+ pounds and fought some damn good guys and made alot of good guys look silly--- and yet he'd lose to some unknown scrub with a 2-10 record. Almost every regional fighter from Indiana, Ohio, Michigan, Kentucky, Illinois have repeated the narrative many times to me: "Reggie could of been world champion, but he never got the chance."

Donnie Pendelton, Danny Wofford, Frankie Hines, Bruce Strauss, etc. were alot like that too.

[BoxBuzz]

Jeff McCracken......


Battled Thomas Hearns early on in his career, and entered the ring undefeated. Exited the ring differently.

If he had stayed out of that fight, took a few more learning steps, I think he would have become better known.

But.....he ended up in the heap of victims that Hearns sort of wrote the final chapter for.

[man]

Joe Frazier was way better than this record:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dpwiiqe2830

no, he was not.

[palooka]

Ovill McKenzie is better than his record.

[Crease]

Joe Frazier was way better than this record:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dpwiiqe2830

no, he was not.

Agreed. Joe's record was incredible, it indicated how great a fighter he was.

In fact, probably the only true blemish on his record was his draw, if he had've took that fight earlier he would have won it.

[Tony1244]

Tom "The Bomb" Bethea

[ImranSarwar]

Danny Blake is incredible. 12(5)-45(0)-6//Shannon Briggs likely his top foe.