MALTA BOXING COMMISSION - UK, SCOTLAND & IRELAND SANCTIONING

[bripez]

Was talking to a medical practitioner over the weekend and he said that the "doctor" who took part in the Belfast MBC show on March 14 (and was involved because the main event ended on a cut) was not registered to practice as a doctor. Can anybody comment on this?

Doctor was Robert McConnell according to the MBC article, there's a Dr Robert McConnell registered with the GMC, on the specialist register as a neurosurgeon, got his degree from Queens University in Belfast.

Fair enough. I'm only asking the question. I would like to think that proper medical provisions were made as standard.

The Belfast main event ended on a cut. was it caused by a punch or a head butt? If it was heads then do MBC bouts go to the cards?

It just goes to show that a lot of people (like your medical practitioner contact) can talk a load of bollocks.

A big problem is that the Internet is the breeding ground for bollocks.

These kind of comments (apparently made without any foundation whatsoever) can be damaging.

[leejonesjnr]

You do know that there are a number of other bodies now trying to infiltrate the UK scene?

I personally think that if the BBBoC don't modernise themselves, and by that i mean actually let the licence-holders have a say in who actually runs the organisation, then i think they will begin to fall apart. There's many promoters now opting for the likes of the WBO-Europe European title, or the EBA's version, which i believe at one time were part of, or associated with, the WBA.[/quote

The licence holders do have a say if they are not happy there is plenty of other bodies they can go to MBC and ebf for example basically if modernisation means forgoing board safety regulations which are the best in the world in search of extra money for promotors etc you are deluded mate if you are not happy shopping at morrisons go to sainsburys or Tesco I am not having a pop at you personally but ever since the board was formed in 1929 other organisations have started up in competition to them I would agree that changes are needed at the board but I carnt accept that these changes should include changes to the board medical procedures etc these are put in place for the safety of the boxer which is surely what the board is all about

Where has it been said about changing the Board's medical policies?


I think the backbone of the issue is that the Board is expensive, and seem to be very political and out of touch with the boxers themselves. Many promoters have said that licence holders don't have a say in how, or who, runs the board. Is that not odd?

What perspective are you making these conclusions from? The only boxers that I know who have any axe to grind with the BBBoC are those that cannot get a license with them. Any organisation with a significant number of members will have the odd issue come up but on the whole those inside the world of pro boxing are perfectly happy with the BBBoC in my experience.

[leejonesjnr]

You do know that there are a number of other bodies now trying to infiltrate the UK scene?

I personally think that if the BBBoC don't modernise themselves, and by that i mean actually let the licence-holders have a say in who actually runs the organisation, then i think they will begin to fall apart. There's many promoters now opting for the likes of the WBO-Europe European title, or the EBA's version, which i believe at one time were part of, or associated with, the WBA.

What does the WBO European title have to do with it? They are contested in the UK under the BBBoC.
EBA is long since dead, it was the WBAs European title.

I was not aware that the Board sanctioned WBO European titles, I thought they mainly advocated the EBU version. Glad to be proven wrong. My point was merely highlighting that there's more options out there for boxers instead of the old BBBoC>EBU route that seems to be the norm. But it's when you question the norm that you begin to see the politics behind it all.



Why was the Luxembourg Federation kicked out of the EBU at the request of the BBBoC?


Come on let's get real. The BBBoC simply don't want another licensing body in what they see as their 'territory'. They are more than happy to allow foreign boxers to operate on Board events (for a fee), and permit Board licensed boxers to fight abroad, but they don't like it if that foreign boxer's licensing body try to sanction shows in the UK. That is the top and bottom of it.

They use the guise of 'safety', when it's simply about control.

The BBBoC oversee almost all pro shows in the UK. WBO European, WBC/WBO/WBA/IBO Internationals, Inter Continentals etc all appear on these shows as well as Commonwealth, EBU, EU etc

[steve689]

It just goes to show that a lot of people (like your medical practitioner contact) can talk a load of bollocks.

A big problem is that the Internet is the breeding ground for bollocks.

These kind of comments (apparently made without any foundation whatsoever) can be damaging.

No problem. I'm only relaying what I was told so I came here to ask if what I was told is true and according to your responses it isn't true so there's no issues as far as I'm concerned. During the conversation a few other things regarding the show were mentioned but I haven't written them here because they may also be baseless. I'm of a similar thinking to the guy on the other page (can't remember who it was) that as long as the most stringent medical provisions are made then let the Malta crowd tear away.

The safety of the fighters is paramount in my opinion and they need protecting in all combat sports.

[dw01]

Come on let's get real. The BBBoC simply don't want another licensing body in what they see as their 'territory'. They are more than happy to allow foreign boxers to operate on Board events (for a fee), and permit Board licensed boxers to fight abroad, but they don't like it if that foreign boxer's licensing body try to sanction shows in the UK. That is the top and bottom of it.

They use the guise of 'safety', when it's simply about control.

That is exactly as I see it.

I have been boring myself for the past dozen pages .... my first (and only) question is - will this sanctioning body have at least the same medical criteria as we currently have ?

If the answer is yes, then crack on. If the answer is no, then I do not agree that they should be allowed to operate.

I still don't know why others passionately disagree with this ?

Well, by the MBC's own account they have the same, if not better, medical policies. Proof is in the pudding I guess.

An interesting point though; if the Board has the most stringent medical policies in the world then;

1) why do they permit foreign boxers to fight on Board sanctioned events in the UK, if they knowingly are aware that the boxer's licensing body does not have the same standards? Isn't this a double standard?


2) and why do they allow Board licensed boxers to fight abroad on events that don't have the same safety policies?

Just food for thought whilst the Board supporters are nay-saying other bodies.

[leejonesjnr]

Come on let's get real. The BBBoC simply don't want another licensing body in what they see as their 'territory'. They are more than happy to allow foreign boxers to operate on Board events (for a fee), and permit Board licensed boxers to fight abroad, but they don't like it if that foreign boxer's licensing body try to sanction shows in the UK. That is the top and bottom of it.

They use the guise of 'safety', when it's simply about control.

That is exactly as I see it.

I have been boring myself for the past dozen pages .... my first (and only) question is - will this sanctioning body have at least the same medical criteria as we currently have ?

If the answer is yes, then crack on. If the answer is no, then I do not agree that they should be allowed to operate.

I still don't know why others passionately disagree with this ?

Well, by the MBC's own account they have the same, if not better, medical policies. Proof is in the pudding I guess.

An interesting point though; if the Board has the most stringent medical policies in the world then;

1) why do they permit foreign boxers to fight on Board sanctioned events in the UK, if they knowingly are aware that the boxer's licensing body does not have the same standards? Isn't this a double standard?


2) and why do they allow Board licensed boxers to fight abroad on events that don't have the same safety policies?

Just food for thought whilst the Board supporters are nay-saying other bodies.

The BBBoC require a foreign boxers medical report before allowing them to box, they don't just allow any boxer licensed anywhere to compete.

[cocobongo]

Need to get these shows on youtube so people can judge for themselves and have a more constuctive comment(s)
having viewed the offering

I went the Liverpool show the other week and have seen some criticism of the opponents so i think its only fair to argue the other side that The 4 rounder between the Russian and Czech lads was a really good standard 2 unbeaten prospects both came to win really enjoyed this paticular fight , im not addressing the other issues raised as im not an expert on the medical or financial points raised can only comment on my own expirience of attending an event as a boxing fan

[Wake up call]

Need to get these shows on youtube so people can judge for themselves and have a more constuctive comment(s)
having viewed the offering

I went the Liverpool show the other week and have seen some criticism of the opponents so i think its only fair to argue the other side that The 4 rounder between the Russian and Czech lads was a really good standard 2 unbeaten prospects both came to win really enjoyed this paticular fight , im not addressing the other issues raised as im not an expert on the medical or financial points raised can only comment on my own expirience of attending an event as a boxing fan

There were four first round stoppages on that show and the show at the weekend saw all three "pro" fights end in the first round, with one of the halted opponents looking at least a weight division smaller the guy he was in with.

As boxing fan you should be demanding better than this.

[bripez]

Need to get these shows on youtube so people can judge for themselves and have a more constuctive comment(s)
having viewed the offering

I went the Liverpool show the other week and have seen some criticism of the opponents so i think its only fair to argue the other side that The 4 rounder between the Russian and Czech lads was a really good standard 2 unbeaten prospects both came to win really enjoyed this paticular fight , im not addressing the other issues raised as im not an expert on the medical or financial points raised can only comment on my own expirience of attending an event as a boxing fan

There were four first round stoppages on that show and the show at the weekend saw all three "pro" fights end in the first round, with one of the halted opponents looking at least a weight division smaller the guy he was in with.

As boxing fan you should be demanding better than this.

This has been my point all along - boxing fans should be demanding better (whether that be the BBBofC or MBC or whoever).

As most people can confidently predict not far off 90% of the bouts in the UK, surely something needs to change ? - if the emergence of the MBC/others forces the Board to look at the current situation, then this can only be a good thing and the boxing fan will benefit.

[dw01]

Well, by the MBC's own account they have the same, if not better, medical policies. Proof is in the pudding I guess.

An interesting point though; if the Board has the most stringent medical policies in the world then;

1) why do they permit foreign boxers to fight on Board sanctioned events in the UK, if they knowingly are aware that the boxer's licensing body does not have the same standards? Isn't this a double standard?


2) and why do they allow Board licensed boxers to fight abroad on events that don't have the same safety policies?

Just food for thought whilst the Board supporters are nay-saying other bodies.[/quote]

The BBBoC require a foreign boxers medical report before allowing them to box, they don't just allow any boxer licensed anywhere to compete.[/quote]


Are you sure of that? I was told differently and that they don't actually see any such reports, only a declaration from the fighter's management.

[expe]

Vivian Harris was brought in from America to fight Bradley Skeete last year, they did a medical on him and ruled him unfit to fight, so yes, they do check.

[spudder56]

Vivian Harris was brought in from America to fight Bradley Skeete last year, they did a medical on him and ruled him unfit to fight, so yes, they do check.

Correct mate

[leejonesjnr]

Well, by the MBC's own account they have the same, if not better, medical policies. Proof is in the pudding I guess.

An interesting point though; if the Board has the most stringent medical policies in the world then;

1) why do they permit foreign boxers to fight on Board sanctioned events in the UK, if they knowingly are aware that the boxer's licensing body does not have the same standards? Isn't this a double standard?


2) and why do they allow Board licensed boxers to fight abroad on events that don't have the same safety policies?

Just food for thought whilst the Board supporters are nay-saying other bodies.

The BBBoC require a foreign boxers medical report before allowing them to box, they don't just allow any boxer licensed anywhere to compete.[/quote]


Are you sure of that? I was told differently and that they don't actually see any such reports, only a declaration from the fighter's management.[/quote]

Do you mind me asking how old you are?
Yes I am sure of that, the show I boxed on at the weekend almost had to pull a bout as the board hadn't signed off the foreign boxers medical documents yet.

[dw01]

Vivian Harris was brought in from America to fight Bradley Skeete last year, they did a medical on him and ruled him unfit to fight, so yes, they do check.

"They did a medical on him" - that doesn't mean they are aware of his latest brain scans and bloods, etc. Totally different.

[dw01]

Well, by the MBC's own account they have the same, if not better, medical policies. Proof is in the pudding I guess.

An interesting point though; if the Board has the most stringent medical policies in the world then;

1) why do they permit foreign boxers to fight on Board sanctioned events in the UK, if they knowingly are aware that the boxer's licensing body does not have the same standards? Isn't this a double standard?


2) and why do they allow Board licensed boxers to fight abroad on events that don't have the same safety policies?

Just food for thought whilst the Board supporters are nay-saying other bodies.

The BBBoC require a foreign boxers medical report before allowing them to box, they don't just allow any boxer licensed anywhere to compete.

Are you sure of that? I was told differently and that they don't actually see any such reports, only a declaration from the fighter's management.[/quote]

Do you mind me asking how old you are?
Yes I am sure of that, the show I boxed on at the weekend almost had to pull a bout as the board hadn't signed off the foreign boxers medical documents yet.[/quote]


38.

And can I ask where you get your info onthe BBBoC from? I admitted my info regarding what I said was word of mouth. But these 'medical documents' should have been received well in advance of the event, or are you telling me the Board were complacent enough to leave it to such short notice to grant permission?

[leejonesjnr]

duplicate

[leejonesjnr]

38.

And can I ask where you get your info onthe BBBoC from? I admitted my info regarding what I said was word of mouth. But these 'medical documents' should have been received well in advance of the event, or are you telling me the Board were complacent enough to leave it to such short notice to grant permission?

I'm a BBBoC licensed professional boxer.
I get my info from the BBBoC.

[dw01]

38.

And can I ask where you get your info onthe BBBoC from? I admitted my info regarding what I said was word of mouth. But these 'medical documents' should have been received well in advance of the event, or are you telling me the Board were complacent enough to leave it to such short notice to grant permission?

I'm a BBBoC licensed professional boxer.
I get my info from the BBBoC.

What about my second point?

[leejonesjnr]

What about my second point?

What about it?
I'm not really interested in getting involved in Internet arguments at the best of times but even more so than usual in this case. You are ill informed yet continue to state here say as fact. This makes it a fruitless discussion.
I have read your posts, I accept that they reflect your feelings on the sport.

[leejonesjnr]

Lee Jones Jnr-Off topic just read the story of your health problems, may i wish you all the very best in your career and life.

Very kind thankyou

[cocobongo]

There were four first round stoppages on that show and the show at the weekend saw all three "pro" fights end in the first round, with one of the halted opponents looking at least a weight division smaller the guy he was in with.

As boxing fan you should be demanding better than this.[/quote]

I think the critiscims of the show have been well quite well documented, I just thought in the interest of fairness i'd also let people know theyre was a really good standard bout on to

[dw01]

What about my second point?

What about it?
I'm not really interested in getting involved in Internet arguments at the best of times but even more so than usual in this case. You are ill informed yet continue to state here say as fact. This makes it a fruitless discussion.
I have read your posts, I accept that they reflect your feelings on the sport.

Fair enough. I just though that was the way 'debates' work; make a point, counter, etc. Then we all attempt to learn.


One thing I would like you to reply to, if you'd spare the time to, is what makes me "i'll informed" and you informed? You're spending time slating the MBC for things they have not yet done, yet don't answer points about your favoured BBBoC. Which actually does make this fruitless as youve made your mind up and won't listen to reason/alternative views.

[dw01]

Also, sorry to hear of health problems you may have, I certainly hope it foes not hinder you too much. Health issues was the reason I quit kickboxing years ago and got into promoting.

[leejonesjnr]

What about my second point?

What about it?
I'm not really interested in getting involved in Internet arguments at the best of times but even more so than usual in this case. You are ill informed yet continue to state here say as fact. This makes it a fruitless discussion.
I have read your posts, I accept that they reflect your feelings on the sport.

Fair enough. I just though that was the way 'debates' work; make a point, counter, etc. Then we all attempt to learn.


One thing I would like you to reply to, if you'd spare the time to, is what makes me "i'll informed" and you informed? You're spending time slating the MBC for things they have not yet done, yet don't answer points about your favoured BBBoC. Which actually does make this fruitless as youve made your mind up and won't listen to reason/alternative views.

I am happy to debate and discuss, however at this moment in time there seems little point in engaging with you.
I say ill informed because you make statements based on 'what I've heard...' rather than any factual basis. You make statements on behalf of licensed boxers unhappy with the BBBoC which you have failed to qualify and clearly from your comments accusing me of slating MBC etc you don't pay much attention to what is actually going on - I haven't.
With regards favouring the BBBoC, I absolutely do at this point in time, as do almost all boxers who are able to get a BBBoC license. It seems that an interesting situation is developing in Scotland where the first BBBoC license holders appear to be choosing to relinquish their licenses to box with an MBC license instead.
I am surprised that you cannot see the positive side of a single body. Coming from a kickboxing background you must be aware that the dozens of 'championships' are a big part of what make it the sport such a shambles. Unlicensed boxing is the same with dozens of belts floating around at every level.

[leejonesjnr]

I'd seen that Jody was as the BBBoC won't allow him to box currently because of his conviction. Didnt know Dodson was too.