MALTA BOXING COMMISSION - UK, SCOTLAND & IRELAND SANCTIONING

[dw01]

Leejonesjnr:

I'm the first one to admit if im wrong, but I don't think I'm ill informed. You are a licence holder yes? Is that as far as your relationship goes with them? Every question put to myself i've answered, usually without acknowledgement. Maybe half of the questions i've asked or points have made on here are ignored by people - usually those that support the BBBoC. Evasiveness.

A single body is not a good thing when that body is letting it's licence-holders down (see topics brought up by allegedly, Luxembourg Federation, etc, re licence-holder's rights, who has a say, etc)

Just going back to my points on the hypocrisy of the Board over fighter safety: "Do the Board check the brain scans and blood results of foreign boxers?". I am saying they do not. My source is a current gym owner who coaches boxers.

I don't know how or why you can't see what the BBBoC is doing. They want the monopoly and will try to take the moral highground by playing on fighter safety, in order to put down any other attempt by another licensing body to get a grip in the UK.

Ps it ain't about 'titles', it's about fairness and allowing boxers to ply their trade freely, and not have to risk being blackmailed by the Board.

[leejonesjnr]

Leejonesjnr:

I'm the first one to admit if im wrong, but I don't think I'm ill informed. You are a licence holder yes? Is that as far as your relationship goes with them? Every question put to myself i've answered, usually without acknowledgement. Maybe half of the questions i've asked or points have made on here are ignored by people - usually those that support the BBBoC. Evasiveness.

A single body is not a good thing when that body is letting it's licence-holders down (see topics brought up by allegedly, Luxembourg Federation, etc, re licence-holder's rights, who has a say, etc)

Just going back to my points on the hypocrisy of the Board over fighter safety: "Do the Board check the brain scans and blood results of foreign boxers?". I am saying they do not. My source is a current gym owner who coaches boxers.

I don't know how or why you can't see what the BBBoC is doing. They want the monopoly and will try to take the moral highground by playing on fighter safety, in order to put down any other attempt by another licensing body to get a grip in the UK.

Ps it ain't about 'titles', it's about fairness and allowing boxers to ply their trade freely, and not have to risk being blackmailed by the Board.

Uh huh. As I have said, no desire at all to continue this with you for the reasons given already. Kickboxing is a nonsense hobby level sport in the UK, largely because of the dozens of organisations. I am perfectly happy with the BBBoC all things considered, as is every license holder I know, be they boxer, manager, trainer, matchmaker, promoter or second. The people who have a problem with the BBBoC generally seem to be people who can't get a license or can't afford to put on pro shows. I will take your apology regarding slating MBC as implied, I have not slated them at all, I simply currently feel that the BBBoC is the organisation for me.

[DanielGraham73]

I seen on Facebook thats a light middleweight WBU Title already been confirmed for a show in July,does anybody have anymore information?

[dw01]

Leejonesjnr:

I'm the first one to admit if im wrong, but I don't think I'm ill informed. You are a licence holder yes? Is that as far as your relationship goes with them? Every question put to myself i've answered, usually without acknowledgement. Maybe half of the questions i've asked or points have made on here are ignored by people - usually those that support the BBBoC. Evasiveness.

A single body is not a good thing when that body is letting it's licence-holders down (see topics brought up by allegedly, Luxembourg Federation, etc, re licence-holder's rights, who has a say, etc)

Just going back to my points on the hypocrisy of the Board over fighter safety: "Do the Board check the brain scans and blood results of foreign boxers?". I am saying they do not. My source is a current gym owner who coaches boxers.

I don't know how or why you can't see what the BBBoC is doing. They want the monopoly and will try to take the moral highground by playing on fighter safety, in order to put down any other attempt by another licensing body to get a grip in the UK.

Ps it ain't about 'titles', it's about fairness and allowing boxers to ply their trade freely, and not have to risk being blackmailed by the Board.

Uh huh. As I have said, no desire at all to continue this with you for the reasons given already. Kickboxing is a nonsense hobby level sport in the UK, largely because of the dozens of organisations. I am perfectly happy with the BBBoC all things considered, as is every license holder I know, be they boxer, manager, trainer, matchmaker, promoter or second. The people who have a problem with the BBBoC generally seem to be people who can't get a license or can't afford to put on pro shows. I will take your apology regarding slating MBC as implied, I have not slated them at all, I simply currently feel that the BBBoC is the organisation for me.

1. Damn, you went a long way round making your point as to why you only support the BBBoC.

2. Sure, accept my apology, I misconstrued.

3. No idea what kickboxing has to do with this anyway, but opinion noted.

4. There's 'many' a coach, fighter and promoter that are disgruntled with the BBBoC for more thank those reasons you state. It's shear ignorance to not acknowledge that. But that has been what the Board supporters have done throughout this thread.

5. If you are happy with the Board; their non-elected leadership, policies, rules + regulations, costs, etc, then great for you. But monopolies are bad, competition is good.

6. This is about safety and regulation, not titles. People have said "The Board is far from perfect", so give others ago. Simple. It won't be the end of the world, or the sport, if the MBC succeeds or fails, or whether the BBBoC does.

7. Have a good day.

[leejonesjnr]

1. Damn, you went a long way round making your point as to why you only support the BBBoC.

2. Sure, accept my apology, I misconstrued.

3. No idea what kickboxing has to do with this anyway, but opinion noted.

4. There's 'many' a coach, fighter and promoter that are disgruntled with the BBBoC for more thank those reasons you state. It's shear ignorance to not acknowledge that. But that has been what the Board supporters have done throughout this thread.

5. If you are happy with the Board; their non-elected leadership, policies, rules + regulations, costs, etc, then great for you. But monopolies are bad, competition is good.

6. This is about safety and regulation, not titles. People have said "The Board is far from perfect", so give others ago. Simple. It won't be the end of the world, or the sport, if the MBC succeeds or fails, or whether the BBBoC does.

7. Have a good day.

1. Okay

2. Thankyou

3. Fairly clear, kickboxing is a sport that you introduced to the conversation, it has LOTS of competition regarding sanctioning organisations and is in a disastrous state - I do not wish for boxing to take even half a step in that direction.

4. Who?

5. See point 3

6. Hopefully the sport will not be weakened but yes it is likely to limp on no matter what, again, see kickboxing for reference purposes.

7. I shall try, thankyou.

[Looking On]

Heard rumours today that a former british champion has decided to switch to MBC to box on a show in June. when i hear it from the horses mouth ill say on here.

[expe]

Heard rumours today that a former british champion has decided to switch to MBC to box on a show in June. when i hear it from the horses mouth ill say on here.

Jason Booth?

[Looking On]

Heard rumours today that a former british champion has decided to switch to MBC to box on a show in June. when i hear it from the horses mouth ill say on here.

Jason Booth?

Is that one youve heard ? not heard that one myself, more recent british champion than that.

[expe]

Heard rumours today that a former british champion has decided to switch to MBC to box on a show in June. when i hear it from the horses mouth ill say on here.

Jason Booth?

Is that one youve heard ? not heard that one myself, more recent british champion than that.

No, I know you're from round his way, put 2 and 2 together and got 5. Only fighters I can see that are more recent than him are Kenny Anderson and Shane McPhilbin.

[Looking On]

Well ive seen him say it on Facebook now so to confirm it was Shane McPhilbin i was talking about, i cant confirm though if thats on an MBC license or a BBBoC license.

[leejonesjnr]

Interesting stuff

[spudder56]

Well ive seen him say it on Facebook now so to confirm it was Shane McPhilbin i was talking about, i cant confirm though if thats on an MBC license or a BBBoC license.

I think you will find he has or is getting a MBC licence

[leejonesjnr]

As I understand it, MBC will allow a boxer to compete using a BBBoC license.
In theory that should only be able to happen once per boxer as the BBBoC will then revoke the boxers license and they will need a license from SOMEWHERE before they compete again as a professional.

[Looking On]

As I understand it, MBC will allow a boxer to compete using a BBBoC license.
In theory that should only be able to happen once per boxer as the BBBoC will then revoke the boxers license and they will need a license from SOMEWHERE before they compete again as a professional.

And there lies the problem.

Someone i know very well has been considering an MBC promoters license, but has been reluctant so far as theres no guarantees a BBBoC licesnsed boxer will be allowed to retain their license having competed on an MBC sanctioned show.

And its also the very same thing that means the BBBoC are blatantly breaking EU laws as has been said umpteen times previously.

The way i see it, the board basically say they arent breaking EU rules about the right to work within the EU as the boxer has a choice to be licensed by the BBBoC or elsewhere, but thats crap they dont have a choice, the board make them turn down legitimate work for their own benefit.

Now while that has been said numerous times, what has been overlooked is this... according to the BBBoC anything not licensed by them is deemed unlicensed boxing, so they are stating themselves its not professional boxing, in that case them removing peoples license for boxing mbc IS DEFINATELY a restraint of trade, they cant compete is a professional boxer if they dont do it under the BBBoC, the onlyy way round that is that the board acknowledge the MBC as a professional boxing organisation and not unlicensed, but if they do that then how do they then reasonably refuse people to box on the shows.

[expe]

As I understand it, MBC will allow a boxer to compete using a BBBoC license.
In theory that should only be able to happen once per boxer as the BBBoC will then revoke the boxers license and they will need a license from SOMEWHERE before they compete again as a professional.

And there lies the problem.

Someone i know very well has been considering an MBC promoters license, but has been reluctant so far as theres no guarantees a BBBoC licesnsed boxer will be allowed to retain their license having competed on an MBC sanctioned show.

And its also the very same thing that means the BBBoC are blatantly breaking EU laws as has been said umpteen times previously.

The way i see it, the board basically say they arent breaking EU rules about the right to work within the EU as the boxer has a choice to be licensed by the BBBoC or elsewhere, but thats crap they dont have a choice, the board make them turn down legitimate work for their own benefit.

Now while that has been said numerous times, what has been overlooked is this... according to the BBBoC anything not licensed by them is deemed unlicensed boxing, so they are stating themselves its not professional boxing, in that case them removing peoples license for boxing mbc IS DEFINATELY a restraint of trade, they cant compete is a professional boxer if they dont do it under the BBBoC, the onlyy way round that is that the board acknowledge the MBC as a professional boxing organisation and not unlicensed, but if they do that then how do they then reasonably refuse people to box on the shows.

We had all this shite with the GBA, the court said otherwise.

If Shane McPhilbin wants to box unlicensed, that's his choice, but in doing so he is also making the decision to end his professional career.

And to be honest, fornicate the EU and their laws, the government recognises the board as the governing body for professional boxing in this country, that should take precedence over whatever some overpaid fatcats in Brussels/Strasbourg say.

[Looking On]

As I understand it, MBC will allow a boxer to compete using a BBBoC license.
In theory that should only be able to happen once per boxer as the BBBoC will then revoke the boxers license and they will need a license from SOMEWHERE before they compete again as a professional.

And there lies the problem.

Someone i know very well has been considering an MBC promoters license, but has been reluctant so far as theres no guarantees a BBBoC licesnsed boxer will be allowed to retain their license having competed on an MBC sanctioned show.

And its also the very same thing that means the BBBoC are blatantly breaking EU laws as has been said umpteen times previously.

The way i see it, the board basically say they arent breaking EU rules about the right to work within the EU as the boxer has a choice to be licensed by the BBBoC or elsewhere, but thats crap they dont have a choice, the board make them turn down legitimate work for their own benefit.

Now while that has been said numerous times, what has been overlooked is this... according to the BBBoC anything not licensed by them is deemed unlicensed boxing, so they are stating themselves its not professional boxing, in that case them removing peoples license for boxing mbc IS DEFINATELY a restraint of trade, they cant compete is a professional boxer if they dont do it under the BBBoC, the onlyy way round that is that the board acknowledge the MBC as a professional boxing organisation and not unlicensed, but if they do that then how do they then reasonably refuse people to box on the shows.

We had all this shite with the GBA, the court said otherwise.

If Shane McPhilbin wants to box unlicensed, that's his choice, but in doing so he is also making the decision to end his professional career.

And to be honest, eff the EU and their laws, the government recognises the board as the governing body for professional boxing in this country, that should take precedence over whatever some overpaid fatcats in Brussels/Strasbourg say.

But mate, you surely acknowledge that is nothing more than your own opinion, and opinions make no difference, laws do.

Do the BBBoC consider MBC to be unlicensed or Professional, either way they go they cant justify their stance.
If its unlicensed then they are choosing to restrict a boxers ability to work outside of themselves and if its professional they cant realistically stop someone boxing on what they acknowledge is pro boxing without it also being restrictive.
Im not going to keep arguing the point because its evident your mind is made up, but ive objectively watched this develop, and i dont see where the board can defend their point legitimately anymore.

[leejonesjnr]

Meh, no restraint of trade, people can choose to box BBBoC or MBC.
I can choose to go to McDonalds or KFC but I can't walk into the latter and demand they make me a Big Mac.

[leejonesjnr]

Do the BBBoC consider MBC to be unlicensed or Professional, either way they go they cant justify their stance.
If its unlicensed then they are choosing to restrict a boxers ability to work outside of themselves and if its professional they cant realistically stop someone boxing on what they acknowledge is pro boxing without it also being restrictive.
Im not going to keep arguing the point because its evident your mind is made up, but ive objectively watched this develop, and i dont see where the board can defend their point legitimately anymore.

Simple, MBC license boxers that the BBBoC consider medically unfit to box. Agree or not that is not a difficult stance to understand.

[Looking On]

Meh, no restraint of trade, people can choose to box BBBoC or MBC.
I can choose to go to McDonalds or KFC but I can't walk into the latter and demand they make me a Big Mac.

Missing the point mate. The board say you cant be a professional boxer unless you work with them alone, thats definately a restraint of trade, you keep using these silly examples but they dont apply to the arguement, KFC arent claiming to sell big maks, the BBBoC claim to control british boxing, but realistically they cant. Mcdonalds can register the big mak as their brand, preventing others using it, the bboc cant register boxing as theirs

[Looking On]

Do the BBBoC consider MBC to be unlicensed or Professional, either way they go they cant justify their stance.
If its unlicensed then they are choosing to restrict a boxers ability to work outside of themselves and if its professional they cant realistically stop someone boxing on what they acknowledge is pro boxing without it also being restrictive.
Im not going to keep arguing the point because its evident your mind is made up, but ive objectively watched this develop, and i dont see where the board can defend their point legitimately anymore.

Simple, MBC license boxers that the BBBoC consider medically unfit to box. Agree or not that is not a difficult stance to understand.

So does every other country, what says that the bbboc are the authority on whats fit to box in the eu ? if that was the case than all the other eu contries would also have to use the same rules that the bbboc do

[leejonesjnr]

Meh, no restraint of trade, people can choose to box BBBoC or MBC.
I can choose to go to McDonalds or KFC but I can't walk into the latter and demand they make me a Big Mac.

Missing the point mate. The board say you cant be a professional boxer unless you work with them alone, thats definately a restraint of trade, you keep using these silly examples but they dont apply to the arguement, KFC arent claiming to sell big maks, the BBBoC claim to control british boxing, but realistically they cant. Mcdonalds can register the big mak as their brand, preventing others using it, the bboc cant register boxing as theirs

The BBBoC recognise many many other licensing organisations.
I personally haven't seen any statements from the BBBoC calling MBC unlicensed boxing but perhaps they have?
Regardless, every boxer is able to choose to box MBC if they wish. Initially only boxers who were unable to get a BBBoC license were doing so but it appears that soon a few boxers will be transferring from BBBoC to MBC.
As I have already said, restraint of trade is a none starter on practical terms, BBBoC shows outnumber MBC shows many times over. There is plenty of work for boxers who can get a license with the board.

[leejonesjnr]

Do the BBBoC consider MBC to be unlicensed or Professional, either way they go they cant justify their stance.
If its unlicensed then they are choosing to restrict a boxers ability to work outside of themselves and if its professional they cant realistically stop someone boxing on what they acknowledge is pro boxing without it also being restrictive.
Im not going to keep arguing the point because its evident your mind is made up, but ive objectively watched this develop, and i dont see where the board can defend their point legitimately anymore.

Simple, MBC license boxers that the BBBoC consider medically unfit to box. Agree or not that is not a difficult stance to understand.

So does every other country, what says that the bbboc are the authority on whats fit to box in the eu ? if that was the case than all the other eu contries would also have to use the same rules that the bbboc do

Nope.
The BBBoC don't dictate what anyone has to do. They have terms and conditions to competing on shows that they officiate. A boxer can choose to agree or they can vote with their feet.
Some bars will refuse service of alcohol when a patron reaches a certain level or merriment, other bars will serve the same person until they pass out. Who says that the first bar is an authority on how much beer is too much? Nobody, it is simply their right to refuse service.

[Looking On]

Youve used one of the silly comparisions again, the bar has the right to sell to who it wants yes, because they are refusing a sale, the only trade they are restraining is their own. BBBoC arent doing that, they are stating who can work where.
Your examples make no sense at all and dont compare.

[leejonesjnr]

Youve used one of the silly comparisions again, the bar has the right to sell to who it wants yes, because they are refusing a sale, the only trade they are restraining is their own. BBBoC arent doing that, they are stating who can work where.
Your examples make no sense at all and dont compare.

Probably best for you to vote with your feet and only box on MBC shows.
If you are in the right I dare say that the vast majority of license holders will follow you.
I will feel pretty foolish when I am the last BBBoC license holder in the country. On the bright side, I will be handed the Lonsdale belt by default which will be a treat for someone of my lowly skill level.

[Looking On]

Youve used one of the silly comparisions again, the bar has the right to sell to who it wants yes, because they are refusing a sale, the only trade they are restraining is their own. BBBoC arent doing that, they are stating who can work where.
Your examples make no sense at all and dont compare.

Probably best for you to vote with your feet and only box on MBC shows.
If you are in the right I dare say that the vast majority of license holders will follow you.
I will feel pretty foolish when I am the last BBBoC license holder in the country. On the bright side, I will be handed the Lonsdale belt by default which will be a treat for someone of my lowly skill level.

Cant even do sarcasm properly either i see...
At no point have i said anyone should only box mbc, im saying they should actually be with BBBoC, i just dont think they should be allowed to prevent people boxing on MBC shows.
I guess the low skills you speak of are also matched with a low brain cell count too.