OZ boxers of the past - Discussion

[Rise Above]

I spoke with Barry recently, great bloke and doesnt get enough recognition these days imo.

Heres what I wrote - http://www.boxing.com/long_road_to_glory.html

Nice little article; I enjoyed it. Thanks.

Thanks mate!

[ClivePatrickLyons]

Heard Jeff Malcolm got robbed when he fought Hector Thompson anyone see the fight, Malcolm one of the most UNDERRATED aussie fighter's ever won 100 fight's something I'll never live to see from another aussie fighter also had a chin of granite.

[Beltane]

The bout happened on the 16th February 1978 and Jeff Malcolm’s record at that time was 37wins, 14losses and 9 draws.

The venue was the Orange Ex Services Club, Orange, NSW, not one the more prominent fight venues and it was a split 12 round decision to Hector for the Australasian light welterweight title.

Referee: Ray Mitchell scored it 116-114 and judges: Charkey Ramon 117-113 and Don Marks 114-118 to Hector.

Based on the above it was a close fight and there is no complaints about the decision in an interview that Jeff gave below back in 2010 with Ray Wheatley:

http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/qa-jeff ... colm-55176

[bogan whisperer]

The bout happened on the 16th February 1978 and Jeff Malcolm’s record at that time was 37wins, 14losses and 9 draws.

The venue was the Orange Ex Services Club, Orange, NSW, not one the more prominent fight venues and it was a split 12 round decision to Hector for the Australasian light welterweight title.

Referee: Ray Mitchell scored it 116-114 and judges: Charkey Ramon 117-113 and Don Marks 114-118 to Hector.

Based on the above it was a close fight and there is no complaints about the decision in an interview that Jeff gave below back in 2010 with Ray Wheatley:

http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/qa-jeff ... colm-55176

Well researched

[bollox]

Pat Leglise....does anyone know where he ended up and how he's getting along?

He was a decent fighter being built up for bigger things until he was brutally KO'd by US import Charlie Brown, around 1985. There's a bit of a story attched to his opponent, surrounding their fight. Does anyone remember what it was about?

[Like a Boss]

Pat Leglise....does anyone know where he ended up and how he's getting along?

He was a decent fighter being built up for bigger things until he was brutally KO'd by US import Charlie Brown, around 1985. There's a bit of a story attched to his opponent, surrounding their fight. Does anyone remember what it was about?

You will find video of the Leglise vs Brown fight easily enough. I'm sure I've watched it off Youtube. As for any extenuating circumstance I don't know. But I do know Leglise took Jeff Malcolm's Australian title off him the fight immediately before meeting Brown.

Brown had stopped Al "Earthquake" Carter a couple of years prior to beating Leglise. So he did have some pedigree.

[bollox]

Pat Leglise....does anyone know where he ended up and how he's getting along?

He was a decent fighter being built up for bigger things until he was brutally KO'd by US import Charlie Brown, around 1985. There's a bit of a story attched to his opponent, surrounding their fight. Does anyone remember what it was about?

You will find video of the Leglise vs Brown fight easily enough. I'm sure I've watched it off Youtube. As for any extenuating circumstance I don't know. But I do know Leglise took Jeff Malcolm's Australian title off him the fight immediately before meeting Brown.

Brown had stopped Al "Earthquake" Carter a couple of years prior to beating Leglise. So he did have some pedigree.

I think the fight was televised live, if so I would have watched it. Have also seen it on youtube. Brutal

There were 2 Charlie Browns (one may have been an ex titleholder, the other never got to within a whiff of championship level). I'm not sure how true this is but remember reading years ago, that Leglise's management thought the Charlie arranged to fight Pat was the lesser of the Browns but instead the ex titleholder showed up and gave Leglise a brutal KO

[Like a Boss]

Pat Leglise....does anyone know where he ended up and how he's getting along?

He was a decent fighter being built up for bigger things until he was brutally KO'd by US import Charlie Brown, around 1985. There's a bit of a story attched to his opponent, surrounding their fight. Does anyone remember what it was about?

You will find video of the Leglise vs Brown fight easily enough. I'm sure I've watched it off Youtube. As for any extenuating circumstance I don't know. But I do know Leglise took Jeff Malcolm's Australian title off him the fight immediately before meeting Brown.

Brown had stopped Al "Earthquake" Carter a couple of years prior to beating Leglise. So he did have some pedigree.

I think the fight was televised live, if so I would have watched it. Have also seen it on youtube. Brutal

There were 2 Charlie Browns (one may have been an ex titleholder, the other never got to within a whiff of championship level). I'm not sure how true this is but remember reading years ago, that Leglise's management thought the Charlie arranged to fight Pat was the lesser of the Browns but instead the ex titleholder showed up and gave Leglise a brutal KO

http://boxrec.com/show_display.php?show_id=707822

The Charlie Browne who Pat Leglise fought was Charlie "Choo Choo" Brown. "Choo Choo" was 24-5-2 and a couple of years previous had won the newly created IBF world lightweight title. He was in fact the first title-holder.

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer

I'll see if I can find the other Charlie Brown. The one Leglise perhaps thought he was getting?

[Like a Boss]

Easy to see the confusion regarding the two Charlie Browns.

The Charlie Brown who Pat Leglise fought was Charlie "Choo Choo" Brown. http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer

The other Charlie Brown. The one Leglise may have thought he was getting was probably Charlie "White Lighting" Brown. http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer

Harry Orroyo won the IBF world lightweight title from Charlie "Choo Choo" Brown, and in his first defence fought Charlie "White Lighting" Brown.
Now if that's not confusing what is? http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer

If ever two guys should have fought each other, surely it was the two Charlie Browns after they'd both lost to Orroyo. Sadly it didn't happen.

[bollox]

There are some good names on Choo Choo's record And yep a fight between the 2 Charlie Browns would have been odd to say the least

[Like a Boss]

There are some good names on Choo Choo's record And yep a fight between the 2 Charlie Browns would have been odd to say the least

I found it odd enough that Harry Orroyo fought them one after the other.

Imagine if Orroyo had lost the first fight to Charlie "White Lighting" Brown and the newly crowned Brown then defended the title against Charlie "Choo Choo" Brown. The entire boxing world would have been scratching their heads

[ClivePatrickLyons]

For sheer durability it would be hard to go past Jeff "Flash" Malcolm. Jeff had 138 fights over a period of thirty one years beginning when he was 15. In this time he won the Commonwealth Light Welterweight title and several regional titles and beat men like Lawrence Austin and Barry Michael as well as both Frank and Matt Ropis. He also went the distance in challenging WBO Welterweight champ Manning Galloway.

He was also a WBF champion, but let's not hold that against him.

agree 49th pro fight whilst still a teenager 29 while still under 18 never counted out
was top 10 world rated in the 70's/80's/90''s/ and in 2000 at the age of 45 was rated number 8 by the WBA at Welterweight
not bad for a Grandfather

[bollox]

Brian Schofield recently said that he saw Kid Preston somewhere and went up to him saying that they'd fought years earlier. Poor old Kid had no idea who Brian was

[Like a Boss]

Brian Schofield recently said that he saw Kid Preston somewhere and went up to him saying that they'd fought years earlier. Poor old Kid had no idea who Brian was

An all too familiar story unfortunately.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

Brian Schofield recently said that he saw Kid Preston somewhere and went up to him saying that they'd fought years earlier. Poor old Kid had no idea who Brian was

That's a familiar name Kid Preston my cousin who sadly passed last year Russel Walker fought him for the Victorian tittle in the late 70's early 80's
I'll check it out but I think he fought Kid Preston under his late Fathers name Barney Walker [ who fought as well ] We new him as Rusty said he dropped the Kid but lost a disputed dec ............

[bollox]

Do you have Facebook? If so, here's a clip of the Kid fighting Brian in 1981. Errrm it ain't pretty

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10 ... =2&theater

[bollox]

And some of the actual fight...

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10 ... =2&theater

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8mgsY37yEM

[ClivePatrickLyons]

The bout happened on the 16th February 1978 and Jeff Malcolm’s record at that time was 37wins, 14losses and 9 draws.

The venue was the Orange Ex Services Club, Orange, NSW, not one the more prominent fight venues and it was a split 12 round decision to Hector for the Australasian light welterweight title.

Referee: Ray Mitchell scored it 116-114 and judges: Charkey Ramon 117-113 and Don Marks 114-118 to Hector.

Based on the above it was a close fight and there is no complaints about the decision in an interview that Jeff gave below back in 2010 with Ray Wheatley:

http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/qa-jeff ... colm-55176

I'v known for a fact Malcolm wouldn't publicly say anything bad about some-one like Hector or their fight in 78
:?? but anyways reading Malcolm and Ray Wheatley interview how do you come to the conclusion that he flash thought he did not win the fight :??

[ClivePatrickLyons]

Pat Leglise....does anyone know where he ended up and how he's getting along?

He was a decent fighter being built up for bigger things until he was brutally KO'd by US import Charlie Brown, around 1985. There's a bit of a story attched to his opponent, surrounding their fight. Does anyone remember what it was about?

You will find video of the Leglise vs Brown fight easily enough. I'm sure I've watched it off Youtube. As for any extenuating circumstance I don't know. But I do know Leglise took Jeff Malcolm's Australian title off him the fight immediately before meeting Brown.

Brown had stopped Al "Earthquake" Carter a couple of years prior to beating Leglise. So he did have some pedigree.

I think the fight was televised live, if so I would have watched it. Have also seen it on youtube. Brutal

There were 2 Charlie Browns (one may have been an ex titleholder, the other never got to within a whiff of championship level). I'm not sure how true this is but remember reading years ago, that Leglise's management thought the Charlie arranged to fight Pat was the lesser of the Browns but instead the ex titleholder showed up and gave Leglise a brutal KO

That's crap because at Sydney airport when CHOO CHOO walked through customs they had a miniature train and tracks to boot so Charlie promotion gig started as soon has he landed they knew what BROWN they were getting

[martinosoldati]

Hi,
Not sure if anyone remembers.
My uncle Dave Rudken was a professional boxer (southpaw) in the 1960's & 70's from Brisbane, Queensland.
His boxing record is shown on the weblink below
http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer

I am keen to know if anybody has any memories of him they would like to share?

Dave Rudken (aka Davey Rudken, sometimes spelt Rudkin) successfully won the Queensland State Super Lightweight title in 1972 and the Queensland State Welterweight title also in 1972. I noticed both nights Tony Mundine Snr was also on the bill.

Dave Rudken lost in a close 15 rounds bout for the Australian Super lightweight title vs Hector Thompson in 1971.

Thanks for reading my comment. Cheers.

[Dale Howes]

Dave Rudken v Franco Costanzo TV Ringside 1969 is on Youtube

[Grant]

John O'Brien often worked the corner of other British boxers in Melbourne. His advice was not always sound. I can remember watching Scots lightweight Hugh Baxter fighting a ten rounder with Paul Bink on TV ringside in 1970.

In the fourth round I heard O'Brien call out "Move to the left, Hughie!" Hughie moved to the left, just as Binkie let go of a right uppercut from the floor which lifted Baxter's feet off the canvas and dumped him like a sack of spuds. Hugh Baxter did not fight after that night.

Johnny Obrien trained with Harry O'brien and Norm Taylor when i was there and he generously sparred with us kids.
He used to take on two at a time and used to love to bite you on the shoulder if you let him get too close. I remember his fight with Fammo. Sad that he died so young. I believe he was asleep on yhe back seat of a car when it had a head on

[Redback Rasta]

An article on Barry Michael from the Herald Sun newspaper earlier this year is well worth a read. Here is a sample. You will need to click on the shortcut below to read the rest >>>

In the ring, Michael was famously talkative and that hasn’t changed in 25 years.

“I’ve copped more hits than Google,” deadpans Michael, whose mates dubbed him “Head of Stone” in a nod to his famous contemporary Roberto “Hands of Stone” Duran.

Michael’s eyebrows are scarred, but his brain is fine. When he was fighting, Michael was proof of the proposition that the best thing about professional boxing was the boxers.

The night he fought the American Al “Earthquake” Carter at Dallas Brooks Hall in 1981, Michael was calmer than anyone at ringside. He oozed the nonchalant self-confidence of a bulldog, grinning and joking as if it were just another training session. But when he climbed through the ropes he was all business. It wasn’t as if Carter was a pushover.

The man from Akron, Ohio, was lightning fast and tough as teak. The judges decided Michael had won the war by a whisker but for most of the fight it had looked a draw. Carter returned to Ohio and an uncertain future. The last we heard of him he’d “committed suicide” a few years later — although some wondered why a right-handed man would have a self-inflicted gunshot wound to his left temple.

FOUR years later, Michael became IBF super featherweight world champion in one of Australia’s renowned sporting events — the night he goaded the brilliant youngster Lester Ellis out of his new title at Festival Hall in one of the last 15-round fights ever held.

These days, Michael works outside the square, promoting fights and managing fighters. In a business that has its share of colourful and questionable characters, he is on nodding acquaintance with everyone but likes to do it his way. He proved that two years after the Ellis fight, when the forces of evil, alias Alphonse Gangitano and his crew, got their revenge because he hadn’t thrown the Ellis fight the way the bad guys wanted.

It happened at Lazar’s nightclub in King St. Gangitano bit a chunk from Michael’s cheek and smashed his nose flat with a heavy glass ashtray while armed hoodlums held him down.

Michael was maybe the toughest white lightweight fighter of his time but half a dozen heavyweight hoods set him up. Lucky they didn’t shoot him. The bouncers had been too frightened to stop the bashing but one later told the boxer he’d kicked a pistol from one goon’s hand.

Michael was scarred but not scared. But the injuries brought on the end of his career. In his fourth title defence, against American Rocky Lockridge in England, the broken nose he’d suffered in the bashing was shattered in the first rounds. Then came a burst ear drum and plenty of cuts. He retired hurt and never fought again. But he is still in the game, promoting fights and managing fighters.

The thing about boxing gyms, Michael muses, is that while not everyone in them is an angel, the training does more to cure wild kids than to corrupt good ones. And none of it involves killing small animals.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinio ... 7242587796

[Tinnie]

Good read RB... if a little strange they have for some reason tried to tie his story with with the greyhound industry issues of a few months ago

[Tinnie]

Came across this a few days ago... its short and to the point... just someone telling their story... love stuff like that....

I WAS born in 1936 on the gold fields of North Queensland during the Great Depression and spent much of my childhood living in tents and humpies around the gold fields of Queensland and New South Wales, while my father searched for the elusive yellow metal.

Boxing was always a topic of conversation in our family and I remember us crowding around the old car battery radio listening to Joe Louise, Vic Patrick and other boxers of that era do battle.

I left school when I was 14 years old and had my first amateur bout, and after an easy victory I was hooked on boxing for life.

At the age of 16 I went cane-cutting in order to build my strength for boxing, and at the end of the season travelled to Sydney to learn the finer points of boxing from the late, great old master Jack Dunleavy.....

http://www.warwickdailynews.com.au/news ... ld/508549/