MALTA BOXING COMMISSION - UK, SCOTLAND & IRELAND SANCTIONING

[leejonesjnr]

Simple, sign a document agreeing to a code of conduct, terms and conditions, whatever you wish to call it and then intentionally break that agreement whilst attempting to conceal your actions - cheating, dishonest, not acceptable.

I understand this wholly. Yes, they are breaking their 'agreement' with the BBBoC. But let's face it, there's been a massive misconception that's went on for years with regards to the BBBoC's status. I'd say 90% of people actually believe that the Board is some form of government-recognised institution, if not funded, body for pro boxing in the UK. So many of the older generation of boxing coaches seem to think this also. I have spoken with many who are under this illusion too. Strange as it sounds. And the BBBoC coined the phrase 'unlicensed' in order to make sound non-Board events as something underground, dangerous and wrong.

If you are interested in safety then surely you don't want licensed boxers to be allowed to fight kickboxers anyway? Kickboxing in the UK has zero drug testing, zero brain scans, zero eye testing, blood testing etc etc. For this reason no reputable body would allow their boxers to take part in kickboxing? I am sure that much of the conditions are indeed to do with insurance, I don't see that as a problem? I also find it bizarre that someone so interested in kickboxing cannot see the value of the BBBoC, kickboxing would be in a much better state if there was a similar body in the UK rather than the dozens of organisations that exist today.

You've missed my point on that one. If a boxer holds a BBBoC or an MBC licence, then they've already had the brain & blood tests, etc, and obviously passed. How long before they need a new one? In that timeframe they should be permitted to fight, pick up experience, and earn money. All the big kickboxing organisations insist on a ringside physician, pre-fight checks, etc, so i don't see the problem.

Also, on that note. The BBBoC allow boxers to fight abroad under the sanction of a foreign authority ie French, Italian, German, or wherever it may be. Not all of those licensing bodies have the same medical policies (as has been stated many times in this thread) as the BBBoC. So if we look at it logically, it's OK for a BBBoC licensed boxer to box on a far lesser medically supervised/safe event in a foreign country, but not fight on a domestic (or international) kickboxing promotion that may have the same standard of cover as the BBBoC.

It's hypocritical. The BBBoC is one big hypocritical, elitist, body that is run by people unelected by its members, yet who dictates everything to them.[/quote]

I believe you have missed my point actually, BBBoC licensed boxers will have brain scans, blood work etc in place, but the opponet is very unlikely to have the same, or are you suggesting that BBBoC licensed boxers should be allowed to compete in kickboxing, MMA, whatever, but only against other licensed boxers? Pre fight checks on domestic kickboxing shows consist of looking in your mouth, eyes and ears, taking heart rate and blood pressure and asking "do you feel okay?" - hardly thorough. There is no monitoring of PEDs and no communication with regards KOs etc. The changes that would be required to make it a feasible prospect would cost far too much for the kickboxing scene to even consider it. A uk staged 'pro' kickboxing world championship fight pays less than a journeyman boxer is paid for a 4 rounder.

I don't know where the term unlicensed originated, but it actually refers to a bout which has neither amateur or professional status. An MBC or GBA bout held in the UK is not unlicensed. An EBF, BBU etc fight is.

[dw01]

Simple, sign a document agreeing to a code of conduct, terms and conditions, whatever you wish to call it and then intentionally break that agreement whilst attempting to conceal your actions - cheating, dishonest, not acceptable.

I understand this wholly. Yes, they are breaking their 'agreement' with the BBBoC. But let's face it, there's been a massive misconception that's went on for years with regards to the BBBoC's status. I'd say 90% of people actually believe that the Board is some form of government-recognised institution, if not funded, body for pro boxing in the UK. So many of the older generation of boxing coaches seem to think this also. I have spoken with many who are under this illusion too. Strange as it sounds. And the BBBoC coined the phrase 'unlicensed' in order to make sound non-Board events as something underground, dangerous and wrong.

If you are interested in safety then surely you don't want licensed boxers to be allowed to fight kickboxers anyway? Kickboxing in the UK has zero drug testing, zero brain scans, zero eye testing, blood testing etc etc. For this reason no reputable body would allow their boxers to take part in kickboxing? I am sure that much of the conditions are indeed to do with insurance, I don't see that as a problem? I also find it bizarre that someone so interested in kickboxing cannot see the value of the BBBoC, kickboxing would be in a much better state if there was a similar body in the UK rather than the dozens of organisations that exist today.

You've missed my point on that one. If a boxer holds a BBBoC or an MBC licence, then they've already had the brain & blood tests, etc, and obviously passed. How long before they need a new one? In that timeframe they should be permitted to fight, pick up experience, and earn money. All the big kickboxing organisations insist on a ringside physician, pre-fight checks, etc, so i don't see the problem.

Also, on that note. The BBBoC allow boxers to fight abroad under the sanction of a foreign authority ie French, Italian, German, or wherever it may be. Not all of those licensing bodies have the same medical policies (as has been stated many times in this thread) as the BBBoC. So if we look at it logically, it's OK for a BBBoC licensed boxer to box on a far lesser medically supervised/safe event in a foreign country, but not fight on a domestic (or international) kickboxing promotion that may have the same standard of cover as the BBBoC.

It's hypocritical. The BBBoC is one big hypocritical, elitist, body that is run by people unelected by its members, yet who dictates everything to them.

I believe you have missed my point actually, BBBoC licensed boxers will have brain scans, blood work etc in place, but the opponet is very unlikely to have the same, or are you suggesting that BBBoC licensed boxers should be allowed to compete in kickboxing, MMA, whatever, but only against other licensed boxers? Pre fight checks on domestic kickboxing shows consist of looking in your mouth, eyes and ears, taking heart rate and blood pressure and asking "do you feel okay?" - hardly thorough. There is no monitoring of PEDs and no communication with regards KOs etc. The changes that would be required to make it a feasible prospect would cost far too much for the kickboxing scene to even consider it. A uk staged 'pro' kickboxing world championship fight pays less than a journeyman boxer is paid for a 4 rounder.

But like i already said a few times, as did someone else - foreign boxers that come to this Country (UK) to fight on a BBBoC sanctioned event, has not necessarily had a brain scan, bloods testing, etc. In a lot of countries they pretty much allow a Doctor's letter to approve a licence. So what is the BBBoC doing about those fighters entering the UK? Are they insisting on an up to date brain scan & bloods? Somehow i don't think they are. They are merely taking the word from a foreign organisation that they have the necessary licensing policies in place. Or igoring the fact that they don't. You tell me.

I don't know where the term unlicensed originated, but it actually refers to a bout which has neither amateur or professional status. An MBC or GBA bout held in the UK is not unlicensed. An EBF, BBU etc fight is.[/quote]

No. The Board referred to the Haye vs Chisora bout as "unlicensed" on numerous occasions. It's common knowledge that 'unlicensed' means non Board or non-ABA bouts. It's a trivial point though.

[leejonesjnr]

But like i already said a few times, as did someone else - foreign boxers that come to this Country (UK) to fight on a BBBoC sanctioned event, has not necessarily had a brain scan, bloods testing, etc. In a lot of countries they pretty much allow a Doctor's letter to approve a licence. So what is the BBBoC doing about those fighters entering the UK? Are they insisting on an up to date brain scan & bloods? Somehow i don't think they are. They are merely taking the word from a foreign organisation that they have the necessary licensing policies in place. Or igoring the fact that they don't. You tell me.

I don't know where the term unlicensed originated, but it actually refers to a bout which has neither amateur or professional status. An MBC or GBA bout held in the UK is not unlicensed. An EBF, BBU etc fight is.

No. The Board referred to the Haye vs Chisora bout as "unlicensed" on numerous occasions. It's common knowledge that 'unlicensed' means non Board or non-ABA bouts. It's a trivial point though.[/quote]


Oh? That is interesting. Which countries do the BBBoC allow to box with no blood work or brain scan and without a copy of the boxers medical records?

Unlicensed boxing means not amateur or pro. Like it or not MBC, GBA etc are not unlicensed boxing. Basically, if it is listed on boxrec then it is pro.

[bripez]

I don't know where the term unlicensed originated, but it actually refers to a bout which has neither amateur or professional status. An MBC or GBA bout held in the UK is not unlicensed. An EBF, BBU etc fight is.

No. The Board referred to the Haye vs Chisora bout as "unlicensed" on numerous occasions. It's common knowledge that 'unlicensed' means non Board or non-ABA bouts. It's a trivial point though.[/quote]

As the BBBofC are not sanctioning the upcoming Mayweather/Pac fight, then surely by their own criteria this fight is also "unlicensed" ?

If not then why not ? - is this another example of the board changing their own rules and criteria whenever they want to suit their own needs ?

Again, consistency and transparency are words that are not applicable.

[dw01]

I don't know where the term unlicensed originated, but it actually refers to a bout which has neither amateur or professional status. An MBC or GBA bout held in the UK is not unlicensed. An EBF, BBU etc fight is.

No. The Board referred to the Haye vs Chisora bout as "unlicensed" on numerous occasions. It's common knowledge that 'unlicensed' means non Board or non-ABA bouts. It's a trivial point though.

As the BBBofC are not sanctioning the upcoming Mayweather/Pac fight, then surely by their own criteria this fight is also "unlicensed" ?

If not then why not ? - is this another example of the board changing their own rules and criteria whenever they want to suit their own needs ?

Again, consistency and transparency are words that are not applicable.[/quote]


Is the Mayweather/Pac fight happening in the UK?

I was getting at fights in the UK.

[dw01]

Oh? That is interesting. Which countries do the BBBoC allow to box with no blood work or brain scan and without a copy of the boxers medical records?

You can check yourself on most of them. Check the EBU Members, then search their websites.

I also know for sure that certain South America, Africa,, Eastern Europen, and some Western European Countries' licensing bodies do not insist on brain scans to obtain a licence....

Question is: Does the BBBoC still demand to see a Brain Scan result? If not, then aren't they being hypocritical?

[leejonesjnr]

Oh? That is interesting. Which countries do the BBBoC allow to box with no blood work or brain scan and without a copy of the boxers medical records?

You can check yourself on most of them. Check the EBU Members, then search their websites.

I also know for sure that certain South America, Africa,, Eastern Europen, and some Western European Countries' licensing bodies do not insist on brain scans to obtain a licence....

Question is: Does the BBBoC still demand to see a Brain Scan result? If not, then aren't they being hypocritical?

If you don't know then you really shouldn't state 'facts'.

[gobbles]

I don't know where the term unlicensed originated, but it actually refers to a bout which has neither amateur or professional status. An MBC or GBA bout held in the UK is not unlicensed. An EBF, BBU etc fight is.

No. The Board referred to the Haye vs Chisora bout as "unlicensed" on numerous occasions. It's common knowledge that 'unlicensed' means non Board or non-ABA bouts. It's a trivial point though.

As the BBBofC are not sanctioning the upcoming Mayweather/Pac fight, then surely by their own criteria this fight is also "unlicensed" ?

If not then why not ? - is this another example of the board changing their own rules and criteria whenever they want to suit their own needs ?

Again, consistency and transparency are words that are not applicable.[/quote]

The Board insists on a brain scan for all overseas boxers competing on their shows.

[gobbles]

On a side note:

The MBC/WKA deal could be very good. It may not be good for the boxing purists, but many people like both sports. If the MBC has the same safety standards of the BBBoC, and are agreeing to partner with the WKA, then this would 'raise' the safety standards of WKA Kickboxing events.



NOT EVERY national boxing commission/licensing authority insists on brain scans either. Yes, i agree that on a safety level it is great that brain scans are implemented, but they're not a legal requirement either. Isn't there more serious head injuries in Rugby? Yet they don't have to have brain scans (as far as i'm aware). We could play on that one single aspect all day long.

The Board insists on a brain scan for all overseas boxers competing on their shows. Numerous fights have been called off because a guy's brain scan hasn't been OK'd

[dw01]

On a side note:

The MBC/WKA deal could be very good. It may not be good for the boxing purists, but many people like both sports. If the MBC has the same safety standards of the BBBoC, and are agreeing to partner with the WKA, then this would 'raise' the safety standards of WKA Kickboxing events.



NOT EVERY national boxing commission/licensing authority insists on brain scans either. Yes, i agree that on a safety level it is great that brain scans are implemented, but they're not a legal requirement either. Isn't there more serious head injuries in Rugby? Yet they don't have to have brain scans (as far as i'm aware). We could play on that one single aspect all day long.

The Board insists on a brain scan for all overseas boxers competing on their shows. Numerous fights have been called off because a guy's brain scan hasn't been OK'd

So how do we go about proving this one then? I certainly beg to differ. Didn't someone state earlier in this thread that the Board admitted they only took manager's words for it that the medical 'requirements' (?) we're met?

[dw01]

You can check yourself on most of them. Check the EBU Members, then search their websites.

I also know for sure that certain South America, Africa,, Eastern Europen, and some Western European Countries' licensing bodies do not insist on brain scans to obtain a licence....

Question is: Does the BBBoC still demand to see a Brain Scan result? If not, then aren't they being hypocritical?

If you don't know then you really shouldn't state 'facts'.[/quote]

Ghanaian body.

[boxing crazy]

dw and luca di caro you have done well to get this much replies on your mickey mouse organisation. stick to your kickboxing, mma and your white collar shows that dont mean shit and please dont spoil the sport i love anymore. i was offered free tickets to the show in wishaw and refused them.

ronnie nailen was a good junior boxer for the barn but never improved vs matt scriven who has had 1 win since 2007 !!!
sandy robb is a big punchbag who cant be licensed by bbboc because of his diabetes vs matthew ellis who has been stopped or retired in 7 of his last 11 fights
scott allan ive seen at big alexs shows and is going nowhere except winning an mbc title vs isaac quaye whos is a 34 year old super flyweight with 2 wins in last 7 against journeyman
mohammad babbozaz billy nelson protege from iran who is basically brophys punchbag for the gym vs phillip townley who has 1 win in 9.

the other 2 having there debuts must be kickboxers because ive never heard of either around the boxing circuit.

sam allan must be scotts brother vs michael kelly who had a good start to his career but hasnt won since 2009 and lost his last 6.
ryan lyall never heard of him vs chris wood who has had 1 fight an dwon it and could be most competative fight on show.

if you are going to sell me with how good things will be with the mbc at least try putting on shows that are actually better than the ones you critcise being run by the bbboc. and before you say there are shows that bad run by bbboc you might be right there could be some but plesase send me a link to any show that the mbc has run that has had good 50/50 fight or a competative fights and not just blow outs.

[spudder56]

dw and luca di caro you have done well to get this much replies on your mickey mouse organisation. stick to your kickboxing, mma and your white collar shows that dont mean poo and please dont spoil the sport i love anymore. i was offered free tickets to the show in wishaw and refused them.

ronnie nailen was a good junior boxer for the barn but never improved vs matt scriven who has had 1 win since 2007 !!!
sandy robb is a big punchbag who cant be licensed by bbboc because of his diabetes vs matthew ellis who has been stopped or retired in 7 of his last 11 fights
scott allan ive seen at big alexs shows and is going nowhere except winning an mbc title vs isaac quaye whos is a 34 year old super flyweight with 2 wins in last 7 against journeyman
mohammad babbozaz billy nelson protege from iran who is basically brophys punchbag for the gym vs phillip townley who has 1 win in 9.

the other 2 having there debuts must be kickboxers because ive never heard of either around the boxing circuit.

sam allan must be scotts brother vs michael kelly who had a good start to his career but hasnt won since 2009 and lost his last 6.
ryan lyall never heard of him vs chris wood who has had 1 fight an dwon it and could be most competative fight on show.

if you are going to sell me with how good things will be with the mbc at least try putting on shows that are actually better than the ones you critcise being run by the bbboc. and before you say there are shows that bad run by bbboc you might be right there could be some but plesase send me a link to any show that the mbc has run that has had good 50/50 fight or a competative fights and not just blow outs.

Well said mate

[leejonesjnr]

MBC are pressing on, it will be really interesting to see how this all pans out. Latest from MBC:

MALTA BOXING COMMISSION (MBC) TO SANCTION PRO BOXING EVENT IN NEWPORT, WALES THIS SUMMER
Following the many successful sanctioning of numerous events in England as well as the Chuck Tolan promoted event in Belfast back on March 14th and the upcoming Stewart Allan promoted event in Motherwell later this month the Malta Boxing Commission are now set to do the Grand Slam and sanction an event in Newport, Wales.
Following successful discussions with promoter Dave Murphy this event will now go into the planning stage and is expected to take place either in late August or early September.
As such any pro licensed boxers in Wales or who feel they can sell tickets for a Newport event that are interested in taking part should contact Dave on 07809 499896
PLEASE NOTE BBBofC LICENSED BOXERS CAN BOX ON MBC SANCTIONED EVENTS.
On this matter we will be issuing a full statement, including full legal proof that clears this matter up for once and for all - as the BBBofC area councils have not been supplied the true facts and are still currently threatening boxers and other license holders with sanctions should they take any part on MBC events.
PLEASE ALSO NOTE: That should any BBBofC license holders that take part on any MBC sanctioned event and are called in for a disciplinary hearing that the MBC will provide full legal support as well as provide legal representation at the hearing at no cost to the license holder.

[tijuana1]

I'm sat on the fence with this debate and only time will tell what kind of organisation the MBC are. As long as all the right medicals and correct qualified people doctors etc are in place why not ? Someone criticise the MBC belts but come on what are the Bronze masters etc ? To many belts on the go for probably all establishments / commissions / whoever runs them.

[leejonesjnr]

I'm sat on the fence with this debate and only time will tell what kind of organisation the MBC are. As long as all the right medicals and correct qualified people doctors etc are in place why not ? Someone criticise the MBC belts but come on what are the Bronze masters etc ? To many belts on the go for probably all establishments / commissions / whoever runs them.

The Masters belts are dead

[tijuana1]

Not to any Pro that's just won one. My mate from York. You tell him its dead see what his reaction for a life time of training to win one
P.s the bronze was just an example, masters etc If it was my organisation it would be Central area up-wards to British Common Euro no more. But we are going off topic here im saying people slag MBC title, what about the belts we just mentioned the BBBC allow then get rid of it very hypocritical. Typing while working so no clever arse to point out spelling etc , please just my opinion on belts and establishments / organisations.

[leejonesjnr]

Not to any Pro that's just won one. My mate from York. You tell him its dead see what his reaction for a life time of training to win one
P.s the bronze was just an example, masters etc If it was my organisation it would be Central area up-wards to British Common Euro no more. But we are going off topic here im saying people slag MBC title, what about the belts we just mentioned the BBBC allow then get rid of it very hypocritical. Typing while working so no clever arse to point out spelling etc , please just my opinion on belts and establishments / organisations.

Erm, sure I will tell anyone that they are dead - they are. It isn't my opinion, they have been killed off by the BBBoC.
That said, it could well be that they continue on MBC shows?

[The Insider]

Not to any Pro that's just won one. My mate from York. You tell him its dead see what his reaction for a life time of training to win one
P.s the bronze was just an example, masters etc If it was my organisation it would be Central area up-wards to British Common Euro no more. But we are going off topic here im saying people slag MBC title, what about the belts we just mentioned the BBBC allow then get rid of it very hypocritical. Typing while working so no clever arse to point out spelling etc , please just my opinion on belts and establishments / organisations.

Erm, sure I will tell anyone that they are dead - they are. It isn't my opinion, they have been killed off by the BBBoC.
That said, it could well be that they continue on MBC shows?

I believe the Masters titles will not be contested on or after June 1st. Believe it or not nearly everyone I've spoken to wished them to stay. I can pretty much guarantee we will see them on GBA shows etc.

[tijuana1]

Harry Mathews from York mate tell him. He box you lol. Titles was the debate worthless ones what do you define good bad on bbbc or mbc shows / standards

[leejonesjnr]

Not to any Pro that's just won one. My mate from York. You tell him its dead see what his reaction for a life time of training to win one
P.s the bronze was just an example, masters etc If it was my organisation it would be Central area up-wards to British Common Euro no more. But we are going off topic here im saying people slag MBC title, what about the belts we just mentioned the BBBC allow then get rid of it very hypocritical. Typing while working so no clever arse to point out spelling etc , please just my opinion on belts and establishments / organisations.

Erm, sure I will tell anyone that they are dead - they are. It isn't my opinion, they have been killed off by the BBBoC.
That said, it could well be that they continue on MBC shows?

I believe the Masters titles will not be contested on or after June 1st. Believe it or not nearly everyone I've spoken to wished them to stay. I can pretty much guarantee we will see them on GBA shows etc.

I believe that without any stretch of the imagination, I would have liked them to stay myself.

[billy nelson]

dw and luca di caro you have done well to get this much replies on your mickey mouse organisation. stick to your kickboxing, mma and your white collar shows that dont mean poo and please dont spoil the sport i love anymore. i was offered free tickets to the show in wishaw and refused them.

ronnie nailen was a good junior boxer for the barn but never improved vs matt scriven who has had 1 win since 2007 !!!
sandy robb is a big punchbag who cant be licensed by bbboc because of his diabetes vs matthew ellis who has been stopped or retired in 7 of his last 11 fights
scott allan ive seen at big alexs shows and is going nowhere except winning an mbc title vs isaac quaye whos is a 34 year old super flyweight with 2 wins in last 7 against journeyman
mohammad babbozaz billy nelson protege from iran who is basically brophys punchbag for the gym vs phillip townley who has 1 win in 9.

the other 2 having there debuts must be kickboxers because ive never heard of either around the boxing circuit.

sam allan must be scotts brother vs michael kelly who had a good start to his career but hasnt won since 2009 and lost his last 6.
ryan lyall never heard of him vs chris wood who has had 1 fight an dwon it and could be most competative fight on show.

if you are going to sell me with how good things will be with the mbc at least try putting on shows that are actually better than the ones you critcise being run by the bbboc. and before you say there are shows that bad run by bbboc you might be right there could be some but plesase send me a link to any show that the mbc has run that has had good 50/50 fight or a competative fights and not just blow outs.

excuse me boxing crazy keep your idiotic thoughts to yourself, Mohammad is nobodies punchbag, mohamamad won the Asian games has a youth and won 106/109 amateur fights, how you can make any assessment of my boxers sparring without even seeing it is totally out of order.
Although you can gladly come and watch them spar then you can post your apology

[gobbles]

On a side note:

The MBC/WKA deal could be very good. It may not be good for the boxing purists, but many people like both sports. If the MBC has the same safety standards of the BBBoC, and are agreeing to partner with the WKA, then this would 'raise' the safety standards of WKA Kickboxing events.



NOT EVERY national boxing commission/licensing authority insists on brain scans either. Yes, i agree that on a safety level it is great that brain scans are implemented, but they're not a legal requirement either. Isn't there more serious head injuries in Rugby? Yet they don't have to have brain scans (as far as i'm aware). We could play on that one single aspect all day long.

The Board insists on a brain scan for all overseas boxers competing on their shows. Numerous fights have been called off because a guy's brain scan hasn't been OK'd

So how do we go about proving this one then? I certainly beg to differ. Didn't someone state earlier in this thread that the Board admitted they only took manager's words for it that the medical 'requirements' (?) we're met?

No that was on a GBA show. It was evidence in the Bruce Baker v Board case. Promoter acted as both promoter and GBA representative

[boxing crazy]

dw and luca di caro you have done well to get this much replies on your mickey mouse organisation. stick to your kickboxing, mma and your white collar shows that dont mean poo and please dont spoil the sport i love anymore. i was offered free tickets to the show in wishaw and refused them.

ronnie nailen was a good junior boxer for the barn but never improved vs matt scriven who has had 1 win since 2007 !!!
sandy robb is a big punchbag who cant be licensed by bbboc because of his diabetes vs matthew ellis who has been stopped or retired in 7 of his last 11 fights
scott allan ive seen at big alexs shows and is going nowhere except winning an mbc title vs isaac quaye whos is a 34 year old super flyweight with 2 wins in last 7 against journeyman
mohammad babbozaz billy nelson protege from iran who is basically brophys punchbag for the gym vs phillip townley who has 1 win in 9.

the other 2 having there debuts must be kickboxers because ive never heard of either around the boxing circuit.

sam allan must be scotts brother vs michael kelly who had a good start to his career but hasnt won since 2009 and lost his last 6.
ryan lyall never heard of him vs chris wood who has had 1 fight an dwon it and could be most competative fight on show.

if you are going to sell me with how good things will be with the mbc at least try putting on shows that are actually better than the ones you critcise being run by the bbboc. and before you say there are shows that bad run by bbboc you might be right there could be some but plesase send me a link to any show that the mbc has run that has had good 50/50 fight or a competative fights and not just blow outs.

excuse me boxing crazy keep your idiotic thoughts to yourself, Mohammad is nobodies punchbag, mohamamad won the Asian games has a youth and won 106/109 amateur fights, how you can make any assessment of my boxers sparring without even seeing it is totally out of order.
Although you can gladly come and watch them spar then you can post your apology

i said basically, if he was that good of an amateur what is he doing fighting on this bill against a no hoper? surely you would want him in decent fights to help get him ranked with something? what will this fight do for him as a fighter? ill tell you nothing.

as for going to your gym i can see enough good fighters at gyms near me and the coaches dont speak the crap that you do about your own fighters. anyone that you train or comes to your gym for sparring etc are always brilliant and you tell anyone that will listen. ill judge mohammad when i see him in the ring against a live opponent.

[dw01]

Lots of people clutching at straws now and generally pulling this thread to bits.
Good luck all, I'm out for now. Well, at least until it gets back on track.