Fight Purses?

[ReggieDiggs]

Its a putting asses in seats (or eyes on a screen or with the new PBC Sirius deal ears in headphones) business. GGG is a fun guy to watch for hardcore fans & he's obviously a highly skilled elite level boxer, but thats only part of it. Plus specific to him being a foreign guy in the US is its own financial impediment that GGG will need to overcome (like few are able to do, Manny being the biggest success story which is surely based partial on his resume but also his charisma that still shines through despite not speaking the best English).

[koolkc107]

Eddie Hearn has just offered Carl Frampton £1.5m ($2.25m) for him to face Scott Quigg, for a bout that will take place on the 18th July.

Gennady Golovkin's career high payday was the anomalous $900K he received to fight Daniel Geale.

Why is it that some moderately low-profile fighters are extremely well paid, whilst others you'd expect to be commanding massive fight purses, aren't? :??

I think there are a few factors at work here.

Diggs talked about one: market. As in, GGG, despite all his ring success has not carved out his market yet.

The language is a factor in this. So is his level of competition.

But, there is also his promotion. K2 has to bear a fair share of the blame.

I think it was fergusg in another thread who broke it down better than I can, but the upshot?

They must pony up for quality competition...

[Ricky_]

Eddie Hearn is full of shit & nothing more than a Sky puppet. Since the Sky Box Office success of Froch vs Groves 2 Sky Box Office are keen to throw their massive weight behind more PPV's.

Sky have close to 11m subscribers. When they get a worthwhile PPV they'll have it advertised constantly for about 3 months. At the typical Box Office price of around £18.00 I'd imagine Sky would probably be looking at figures of around 300k buys to produce TV revenue of £5.4m. British fighters, especially guys like Frampton who have an entire country behind him (Northern Ireland), also take very good gates.

The UK market is very different from the US market. It's another reason why Khans duck of Brook is so laughable. Khan would earn more money fighting Brook than he would Mayweather if the Froch-Groves 2 numbers serve as any kind of barometer. Froch made way more in that fight than any recent Floyd opponent such as Maidana or Guerrero and i think even Canelo.

[Ricky_]

ITV is a free channel broadcast to everyone. Channel 5 is another free channel thats picked up early Tyson Fury and Eubank fights.

Free channels only win bids to broadcast smaller fights. It gets the fighters exposure they need to move to paid channels and gives the free channels good numbers.

This fight will be lined up for Sky Box Office once Hearn n Quigg are ready to cash out cause they know they lose and they know Frampton is the bigger draw.

[Ricky_]

I agree, he'd earn way more if he was signed with Bob Arum.

[Cap]

A significant part of boxing marketing/PR is a fighter's personality. This takes a big hit in UK and North America if the guy can't speak English or he grunts two or three word answers when questioned. Boxing is sports entertainment. If fans aren't entertained they won't spend their money.

[koolkc107]

Here’s a list of the average HBO viewing figures for Golovkin’s most recent bouts, coupled with fight purses (if known):
• Proska = 685K viewers
• Rosado = 813K viewers
• Macklin = 1.1m viewers (350K)
• Stevens = 1.41m viewers ($400K)
• Geale = 984K viewers ($750K)
• Rubio = 1.304m viewers ($900K)
• Murray = 862K viewers

These are actually pitiful paydays and I am supremely confident that I could put together a pretty lengthy list of fight purses received by fighters achieving fewer viewers on HBO and Showtime.

There doesn’t appear to be any commercial justification as to the reasons why Gennady earns such small paydays.

Consider the above stats for GGG’s fight against Matthew Macklin and then explain the following?
• Provodnikov-Algieri = 1.046m viewers (Ruslan earned $750K)
• Marquez-Alvarado = 1.198m viewers (Juan Manuel earned $1.4m)

Now let’s perform a comparison of the above figures for Golovkin’s fight against Marco Antonio Rubio or Curtis Stevens in the context of the following:
• Ward-Dawson = 1.3m viewers (Andre earned $1,367,500)
• Chavez-Vera I = 1.416m (Julio earned $2.5m)
• Ward-Rodriguez = 1.2m viewers (Andre earned $2.15m)

I could also put together a lengthy list of men from other territories earning far more than GGG does, despite them only being considered as mid-tier fighters.

In my humble opinion, none of the previous posts on this thread explain the reasons why fighters like GGG don’t get paid. :??

I think it simply comes down to the fact that the other fighters have, at some point, went out of their way to fight the best guy they could get to agree to enter the ring with them.

Guys like Ward can go to HBO and say "I am worth more because I beat so and so". Even JCC can say "I had one of the P4P best in the world out on his feet and if I'd done it a round or two earlier I could have had the W"

Despite all the hype about GGG, he hasn't done that yet. He can't say anything that remotely resembles the above.

There ARE fights that can be made that will change the perception of him taking easy fights.

But, Monroe aint one of them.

[ReggieDiggs]

Here’s a list of the average HBO viewing figures for Golovkin’s most recent bouts, coupled with fight purses (if known):
• Proska = 685K viewers
• Rosado = 813K viewers
• Macklin = 1.1m viewers (350K)
• Stevens = 1.41m viewers ($400K)
• Geale = 984K viewers ($750K)
• Rubio = 1.304m viewers ($900K)
• Murray = 862K viewers

These are actually pitiful paydays and I am supremely confident that I could put together a pretty lengthy list of fight purses received by fighters achieving fewer viewers on HBO and Showtime.

There doesn’t appear to be any commercial justification as to the reasons why Gennady earns such small paydays.

Consider the above stats for GGG’s fight against Matthew Macklin and then explain the following?
• Provodnikov-Algieri = 1.046m viewers (Ruslan earned $750K)
• Marquez-Alvarado = 1.198m viewers (Juan Manuel earned $1.4m)

Now let’s perform a comparison of the above figures for Golovkin’s fight against Marco Antonio Rubio or Curtis Stevens in the context of the following:
• Ward-Dawson = 1.3m viewers (Andre earned $1,367,500)
• Chavez-Vera I = 1.416m (Julio earned $2.5m)
• Ward-Rodriguez = 1.2m viewers (Andre earned $2.15m)

I could also put together a lengthy list of men from other territories earning far more than GGG does, despite them only being considered as mid-tier fighters.

In my humble opinion, none of the previous posts on this thread explain the reasons why fighters like GGG don’t get paid. :??

Its not just about ratings. I think sellability is important & as you show GGG's purses seem to have gone up as he's become more sellable with his KO's & "Mexican Style" & him becoming more than just some guy speaking broken English. Like it or not being a foreign guy in the US is gonna put you in a rougher position then your equal who's born in the US (or just being Mexican/Hispanic in this heavily Mexican/Hispanic fan base sport). I actually see GGG as coming along pretty nicely in his income & I suspect he'll be at soon or could be at now the million dollar mark per fight & only getting better as he keeps winning.

[ReggieDiggs]

I’m willing to bow down to your superior knowledge on this matter, because I’m utterly perplexed!

People have proposed theories about Golovkin’s small paydays by claiming that his lack of English vocabulary or the fact that he’s a foreigner on American shores is to blame, but then GGG’s viewing figures on HBO are comparable or even greater than the majority of his pound-for-pound peers, yet they nearly always command greater paydays than he does… by a margin that can only be described as a proverbial country mile!

I could be wrong, but in my mind, a direct consequence of huge gate receipts and much better than average HBO viewing figures, normally results in fiscally successful and highly profitable fight cards… and the main attraction (in this case we’re talking about Golovkin) is usually handsomely compensated for being the driving force for the lucrative venture, but this doesn't seem to be the case for the heavy-handed Kazakh.

Whilst I’ll concede that the long-term trend clearly indicates steadily increasing paydays for GGG, he still seems to be a million miles away from the fight purses achieved by less popular and less talented fighters… and the clock is ticking, because he’s now 33 years of age!

Let’s not forget that Gennady Golovkin has been a world-rated fighter since 2008, but guys like Darren Barker, Sam Soliman and Andy Lee have all commanded bigger paydays than GGG’s career-high purse... and that just seems utterly ridiculous to me!

Idk that my opinion is all that superior, but you gotta realize there are many variables here than just ratings. There is the already mentioned sellability angle & a foreign guy in the US is a harder sell. There are HBO/fighter deals being made that can last years that have predetermined paydays or a range of potential paydays based on the opposition that can put a hard ceiling on your purse til that deal is over. For GGG specifically I've heard talk where he had more money going to his opposition to try to entice better opponents to fight him (judging by his opponents paydays I'd assume this is true cuz Curtis Stevens got a 58/42 purse split & idk what value Curtis brought cept a warm body & decent rep).

And this is just the sh!t I'm aware of. There could be many other things beyond gate drawing ability & ratings in play on top of the things mentioned. So I think GGG is doing amazing. He's in a shallow division, he's fought really no opponent who's captured the publics imagination & he's made at least $2.4M in 4 fights & has almost tripled what he was getting just a few fights ago. I think you are overestimating the people knocking down 7 digit paydays a night, which is where I figure GGG is at right now. GGG is surely one of the top paid guys in the sport. Maybe top 30, top 40 & he's not really got THAT name on his resume yet.