Fat Dan saying Saul vs Miguel is happening in Sept.

[ReggieDiggs]

So looks like Saul vs James on May 9 on HBO, Miguel vs Daniel on June 6 on HBO & then likely in September Saul vs Miguel on HBO PPV.

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/12 ... varez-next

[ikorolev]

... if both are winning their fights which is not a walk in the park.

[koolkc107]

It will happen in Sept. only if Floyd is not an option.

A rematch for the middleweight title would do huge numbers.

[Chepppaaa]

i hope he is right

[Evander]

This fight has been on the radar for some time, let's see how they perform against Geale again Kirkland.

[sucracristo]

It will happen in Sept. only if Floyd is not an option.

A rematch for the middleweight title would do huge numbers.

cotto-alvarez would not be for the title and neither would cotto-floyd, because
the winner of cotto-geale must defend against GGG first, per WBC mandate.
cotto might not even beat geale.

[ReggieDiggs]

It will happen in Sept. only if Floyd is not an option.

A rematch for the middleweight title would do huge numbers.

cotto-alvarez would not be for the title and neither would cotto-floyd, because
the winner of cotto-geale must defend against GGG first, per WBC mandate.
cotto might not even beat geale.

I promise you the abc belt orgs will find a way to allow Saul vs Miguel to be for a title if they have to bend rules or create a new belt. The sanctioning fees for that fight will bring in too much money for them.

Boxers’ Bout Fees. For each WBC championship and elimination contest, each
participating boxer must pay three percent (3.0%) of all gross amounts received by
the boxer relating to the bout, including but not limited to compensation derived from
pay-per-view, cable or satellite transmission, television broadcast, or internet
distribution, merchandising, concessions, sponsorships, shared promotional fees (in
cases in which the boxer is promoter or co-promoter), or otherwise, including
amounts calculated and paid following the contest.

http://wbcboxing.com/downloads/WBCRules ... ec2011.pdf

I'm shocked people don't realize that there is a huge conflict of interest with the abc groups making more money for bigger fights cuz they get a % cut of the boxers purses. Thus they are often self motivated to allow bigger names to keep titles longer cuz it gives them more money to sanction their fights. Acting like the abc groups have some moral obligation to "do right" by the boxers or fans is silly.

[ikorolev]

Maybe that's why Canelo fights at 155 lately to not pay sanctioning fees ?

[sucracristo]

I'm shocked people don't realize that there is a huge conflict of interest with the abc groups making more money for bigger fights cuz they get a % cut of the boxers purses. Thus they are often self motivated to allow bigger names to keep titles longer cuz it gives them more money to sanction their fights. Acting like the abc groups have some moral obligation to "do right" by the boxers or fans is silly.

WBC declared bankruptcy and only because of the willingness of rocchigiani to negotiate down
his $32mil court award does the WBC still exist at all. you're right that they can make the fight
for their diamond belt of some other title, and i know you personally don't care about titles anyways,
but GGG will have that WBC middleweight title this fall or sooner, and will collect the other two
within a year after that. if cotto beats geale, cotto will not have that title this fall

[ReggieDiggs]

Maybe that's why Canelo fights at 155 lately to not pay sanctioning fees ?

lol yea maybe they are less likely to just hand you a belt if you are fighting at an odd weight like Saul is idk. I'm sure the abc belt orgs are calling GBP like telemarketers trying to get him to fight for some bs abc belt though regardless.

Also notable they get money from the promoter too. Any fight with $1M+ in purses requires the promoter to pay $25,000. All promoters have a $7,000 yearly "membership" fee basically to have their fighters fight for their belt. So for a fight like Saul vs Miguel where I'd suspect both guys combined will be getting at least $10M the abc belt org would get paid at least $332,000 ($300k for 3% of $10M purses, $25k for over $1M for combined purses + $7k for membership). Meanwhile for GGG who's last fight that I can find purse info on (Rubio bout) they'd get about $72,500 ($40.5k for 1.35M purses + $25k + $7k). Not hard to see who they'd be more loyal to, bend the rules for or create titles for.

[ReggieDiggs]

WBC declared bankruptcy and only because of the willingness of rocchigiani to negotiate down
his $32mil court award does the WBC still exist at all.

We should all curse Rocchigiani's name before every abc title fight.

[koolkc107]

It will happen in Sept. only if Floyd is not an option.

A rematch for the middleweight title would do huge numbers.

cotto-alvarez would not be for the title and neither would cotto-floyd, because
the winner of cotto-geale must defend against GGG first, per WBC mandate.
cotto might not even beat geale.

Cotto, like Pac and Floyd, is almost all the way down the road.

You think he gives a damn about mandatories?

It's about money.

It's about the largest purses he can get on the way out the door.

That means Floyd, Pac, and Canelo.

[reggaereggae]

I believe Dan isn't quite as fat now

[jujigatame]

Hopefully Canelo wins and then fights Golovkin, because Cotto doesn't seem to have any intention of doing so.

[ReggieDiggs]

Hopefully Canelo wins and then fights Golovkin, because Cotto doesn't seem to have any intention of doing so.

If Saul vs Miguel had happened earlier (May) I think we'd have likely seen Saul vs GGG in May 2016. With the schedule thats planned now I kinda expect Saul to take a easier fight in May & the earliest we'd see him vs GGG is in Sept. of 2016. Obviously thats less then ideal for an aging GGG without a big fight that is makeable & for fans, but thats my theory anyway. Maybe he's more in a hurry, but I feel like they will pace things out, GGG being a year older & Saul being a year more experienced is what I'm thinking GBP's goal will be. And obviously this is assuming Saul beats James & Miguel as expected & with not too much of a challenge.

[ikorolev]

Hopefully Canelo wins and then fights Golovkin, because Cotto doesn't seem to have any intention of doing so.

Hopefully Geale wins and Canelo fights GGG or Lemieux.

[jezzamundo]

I think there's a roughly 50% chance that one of Canelo or (more likely) Cotto will lose their next fight, which would most likely put an end to the proposed matchup.

[sucracristo]

It will happen in Sept. only if Floyd is not an option.

A rematch for the middleweight title would do huge numbers.

cotto-alvarez would not be for the title and neither would cotto-floyd.

You think he gives a damn about mandatories?

no... YOU clearly suggested it would be for the title and that the title made a difference.

[ReggieDiggs]

I think there's a roughly 50% chance that one of Canelo or (more likely) Cotto will lose their next fight, which would most likely put an end to the proposed matchup.

I think James' chances of an upset are being greatly exaggerated so you are either a big James fan or think Daniel is the favorite vs Miguel if you got it at a coin flip one loses.

I think Daniel has a decent shot & although I'm still trying to digest how much I feel the 157 catchweight I keep hearing about could affect things. Not super excited about that fight anyway so I'm not sure if the 157 is a real thing or not & haven't bothered to look into yet, but seeing it getting mentioned a lot.

[ReggieDiggs]

no... YOU clearly suggested it would be for the title and that the title made a difference.

You got more faith in abc belt groups then I do. I tend to think they'd find a way to push GGG back if Miguel vs Saul or Miguel vs Floyd were on the table. And it appears Saul vs Miguel is on the table if both win their next fights so we might get to see for sure soon. Sanctioning fee money talks & bs walks for abc belt orgs bruh lol.

Also I believe Floyd is still holding the 154 belt just cuz the abc org let him defend it vs Marcos despite Marcos never having fought at 154. 2nd time its happened that a guy fought at a lower weight & fought for/defended a belt at a higher weight & the lower weight at the same time. Other time unsurprisingly was when Ray Leonard, a huge superstar himself & a guy who's commanding large purses that must pay bigger amounts to sanctioning fees, did it vs Donny Lalonde. Strange those sorta rule bends or breaks never happen with lesser names ain't it?

[koolkc107]

You think he gives a damn about mandatories?

no... YOU clearly suggested it would be for the title and that the title made a difference.

I said he doesn't care about a mandatory defense. Different thing from the title itself.

And FYI, you can bet the farm that if the Cotto/Mayweather fight is made whoever is the mandatory will be SOL.

You think the sanctioning body is gonna care about whoever the mandatory is when they can reap the fees from such a huge fight?

[sucracristo]

I said he doesn't care about a mandatory defense. Different thing from the title itself.

again, YOU said

It will happen in Sept. only if Floyd is not an option.

A rematch for the middleweight title would do huge numbers.

that means YOU suggested it would be for the title, and that it being a title fight matters.
i said it won't, because cotto is not going to fight GGG, never mind successfully defend that title against him.

And FYI, you can bet the farm that if the Cotto/Mayweather fight is made whoever is the mandatory will be SOL.
You think the sanctioning body is gonna care about whoever the mandatory is when they can reap the fees from such a huge fight?

name one example of the named mandatory being pushed aside without agreeing to it (i.e. getting paid to step aside).
i doubt GGG would step aside but if he was offered enough and guaranteed the winner anything is possible.
to answer your question, as already said in this thread, the WBC jeopardizes its very existence when it breaks
its own rules (rocchigiani) so therefore the WBC will not tell GGG to screw off because there is more money elsewhere.
1 GGG is the mandatory
2 cotto does care about mandatories because GGG is the mandatory and that is why cotto is fighting geale as his 1 allowed voluntary, lol.
3 the wbc does care about mandatories because GGG was named the mandatory and they would be sued into bankruptcy
(for 2nd time) if they did what you are suggesting, no matter which fight can make them more money.
4 you can bet the farm on whatever you want. do you even have 2 nickles to rub together? you will lose
5 cotto will not fight anyone other than GGG after geale for that title, if he even gets by geale, unless GGG
agrees to accept $500k and guaranteed shot at the winner within 3 months, which i doubt he would,
and the winner would vacate rather than fight him anyway.

[koolkc107]

I said he doesn't care about a mandatory defense. Different thing from the title itself.

again, YOU said

It will happen in Sept. only if Floyd is not an option.

A rematch for the middleweight title would do huge numbers.

that means YOU suggested it would be for the title, and that it being a title fight matters.
i said it won't, because cotto is not going to fight GGG, never mind successfully defend that title against him.

What part of what I said are you having so much trouble parsing?
Cotto won't have to fight GGG, and he won't have to pay GGG to step aside either.
That's because the WBC can count. Floyd/Cotto is better for their wallet than Cotto/GGG.
And the WBC will make it happen- for the belt- because they want the money.
Period.

And FYI, you can bet the farm that if the Cotto/Mayweather fight is made whoever is the mandatory will be SOL.
You think the sanctioning body is gonna care about whoever the mandatory is when they can reap the fees from such a huge fight?

name one example of the named mandatory being pushed aside without agreeing to it (i.e. getting paid to step aside).
i doubt GGG would step aside but if he was offered enough and guaranteed the winner anything is possible.
to answer your question, as already said in this thread, the WBC jeopardizes its very existence when it breaks
its own rules (rocchigiani) so therefore the WBC will not tell GGG to screw off because there is more money elsewhere.
1 GGG is the mandatory
2 cotto does care about mandatories because GGG is the mandatory and that is why cotto is fighting geale as his 1 allowed voluntary, lol.
3 the wbc does care about mandatories because GGG was named the mandatory and they would be sued into bankruptcy
(for 2nd time) if they did what you are suggesting, no matter which fight can make them more money.
4 you can bet the farm on whatever you want. do you even have 2 nickles to rub together? you will lose
5 cotto will not fight anyone other than GGG after geale for that title, if he even gets by geale, unless GGG
agrees to accept $500k and guaranteed shot at the winner within 3 months, which i doubt he would,
and the winner would vacate rather than fight him anyway.

Apparently, the WBC learned from its mistake back in 2003.
Wasn't it the WBC that ranked Margarito it's number one at 154 back in early 2010 without him even fighting in the division?
This to set up a fight with Pac in the fall in case they couldn't get a Mayweather/Pac fight?
What happened to the topped ranked guys 'Cheato leapfrogged? Did they get paid?
I don't think so.
And GGG wont either.
And there won't be a damned thing he can do about it.
And BTW, the lawsuit you were referring to?
The WBC lost for stripping a guy of a title he earned,
not for failing to honor a mandatory.

[sucracristo]

What happened to the topped ranked guys 'Cheato leapfrogged? Did they get paid?
I don't think so.

ok i asked you to name one example of a mandatory and you mentioned the maracheato
example. who was the announced mandatory at that time who was pushed aside?
i am sure you know the name. you brought up this one so you should know.

The WBC lost for stripping a guy of a title he earned, not for failing to honor a mandatory.

sounds like a solid defense, counselor. take that one to trial and bet the farm on it

[koolkc107]

What happened to the topped ranked guys 'Cheato leapfrogged? Did they get paid?
I don't think so.

ok i asked you to name one example of a mandatory and you mentioned the maracheato
example. who was the announced mandatory at that time who was pushed aside?
i am sure you know the name. you brought up this one so you should know.

The WBC lost for stripping a guy of a title he earned, not for failing to honor a mandatory.

sounds like a solid defense, counselor. take that one to trial and bet the farm on it

You also have this argument mixed up, I think.

I am saying that if a Floyd/Cotto fight is out there and can be made for Sept., it will be.

And it will be for the lineal middleweight title.

You think different, YOU prove it.

I presented you just one instance of many where it is proven the WBC doesn't give a damn.

Not about mandatories, or titles, or anything else.

But lineal doesn't mean WBC anyway, or didn't you know that?

The WBC will bandwagon the fight and collect it's sanctioning fees just like it always does.