Who doesn’t want to be an Al Haymon fighter?

[Freedom2013]

He just has Wilder, Szpilka and Cunningham at heavyweight.

And he has few really exciting fighters like Crawford, Kovalev, Walters and Golovkin.

[crusader]

none of those guys will receive paydays comparable to those competing for the PBC.

How much did Quillin earn for his PBC fight?

[crusader]

Right, so he was paid $500k for his most recent fight, a figure which GGG has earned more than multiple times.

By stepping aside Quillin didn't fight for roughly a year, meaning he was unable to earn multiple purses like GGG did during the same period ($750k Geale, $900k Rubio, and a figure I'm unaware of for Murray). Based on several of your posts about the topic it seems clear to me that you don't understand opportunity cost, and the figures show that your statement I quoted is laughable.

[dempseyfire]

“Demetrius Andrade Wants the Al Haymon Opportunities”
http://www.BS.com/demetrius-an ... ies--89634

“I would love to be with someone like Al Haymon. Would I like to sign with Al Haymon? Yes, I would admit and say yes,” he said. “Who wouldn’t want to sign with Al Haymon? The opportunities with Al Haymon are incredible. There’s no limitations to it. He can get anything done as long as you’re producing wins and giving the people what you want.

“He has all the top guys at 154, 147, even at 160, that will be great competition for me and for the viewers. But for me to get them fights, I have to be within that circle. If not, I’m going against the grain,” he said.

It now seems inevitable that Demetrius Andrade will be signed to Al Haymon’s stable within the next month or so… and when this happens, nine of the top eleven Ring Magazine-rated 154lb fighters will be affiliated to the PBC!

• Floyd Mayweather Jr.
• Erislandy Lara
• Austin Trout
• Demetrius Andrade
• Jermell Charlo
• Vanes Martirosyan
• Jermall Charlo
• Julian Williams
• Carlos Molina

When you look at this list and then consider the fact that the following light middleweights are also affiliated to Al Haymon:
• Alfredo Angulo
• Ishe Smith (by proxy of being a Mayweather fighter)
• Terrell Gausha
• John Jackson

And then you consider the potential of some (though clearly not all) of the bigger name 147lb-ers in the same stable may one day venture into the 154lb weight class within the next few years… or at least compete in catch-weight bouts:
• Shawn Porter
• Keith Thurman
• Robert Guerrero
• Amir Khan
• Luis Collazo
• Andre Berto
• Paulie Malignaggi
• Danny Garcia
• Lamont Peterson
• Adrien Broner

Finally, there’s a fairly decent 160lb contingent that Demetrius Andrade can compete against via catch-weight or by simply changing weight-classes:
• Peter Quillin
• Jermain Taylor (probably won’t fight again)
• Daniel Jacobs
• Caleb Truax
• Maciej Sulecki
• Ievgen Khytrov
• Tony Harrison
• Dominic Wade
• Sergio Mora

The latest man that has just become an Al Haymon fighter today is Steve “USS” Cunningham, who may be in contention for challenging for Deontay Wilder’s world title in June!

Is it really that surprising that we’re constantly reading about new fighters joining Al Haymon’s stable? :??

Is Demetrius Andrade doing the right thing... when you consider the Al Haymon fighters competing in the 147lb, 154lb & 160lb weight classes? :??

Actually, I'm struck by how many of Haymon's fighters have "names" but are clearly on the downside of their careers-Angulo, Berto, Collazo, Cunningham, Trout, Tarver, Guerrero, Trout, Floyd etc.

[crusader]

Of course I understand opportunity cost, and by stepping aside Quillin didn't earn purse money from fights he could've engaged in if he hadn't stepped aside. He wasn't paid $1 million to fight Lee, he was paid $500k, and over the last year he's earned less than GGG has whether you go by one fight or the overall figure.

[crusader]

No, but it doesn't change anything. From a financial perspective, since this is what is relevant to your quote about none of those fighters making money comparable to PBC competitors, Quillin stepping aside meant he had to forgo money making opportunities that he would've had by competing. When he returned to the ring he was paid $500k to face Lee, which is less than at least two of GGG's last three purses.

Quillin has never made more than $500k for a bout, and his purse for the Lee bout didn't come close to dwarfing $1.4m as you suspected it would.

[ikorolev]

Right, so he was paid $500k for his most recent fight, a figure which GGG has earned more than multiple times.

By stepping aside Quillin didn't fight for roughly a year, meaning he was unable to earn multiple purses like GGG did during the same period ($750k Geale, $900k Rubio, and a figure I'm unaware of for Murray). Based on several of your posts about the topic it seems clear to me that you don't understand opportunity cost, and the figures show that your statement I quoted is laughable.

Quillin got $350K for the Lee fight and lost $1.4 mil when dropping his belt. Thank you Papa Haymon !

[crusader]

Quillin was paid $1m by Haymon… that’s all that matters! And he was only inactive for personal reasons.

I've already addressed your point and there's nothing else for me to say on the matter, because I actually want to discuss the actual topic of this thread!

Instead of using Strawman or diversion tactics in order to engage in another argument with me, why don’t you actually read the first post on this thread and then answer the following question?

Quillin was never paid $1m for a fight, let alone $900k, let alone $750k, and in the last year he made significantly less than GGG, so your comment that "none of those guys will receive paydays comparable to those competing for the PBC" is laughable. He took money to forgo an ever better financial opportunity, and even if he hadn't been so inactive there is nothing to suggest that the step aside money combined with the purses for hypothetical bouts he may have taken after being paid that amount would be incomparably higher than what GGG earns. Then again, with your prediction of his purse for the Lee bout dwarfing $1.4m it's no surprise that you'd overestimate Quillin's earnings.

It would be really good to have a discussion with you whereby you don’t ruin the thread by changing the topic under discussion!

You made a claim and I commented on it. If you don't want people to do that don't make those claims on a public forum. Andrade may well be better off with Haymon and certainly many fighters have benefited from their association with the latter, but that's not what I'm taking issue with.

[crusader]

PBC fighters generally earn good money but not all of them make purses that dwarf those of non-PBC competitors, and evidence clearly suggests that Quillin doesn't earn incomparably more money than GGG, which makes your claim that I initially quoted dubious. I don't see why you're so unsettled when people respond to claims you make, and again, if you don't want them to do that don't make claims that are disputable.

As for Andrade, I have no problem agreeing with someone when I think they're right and I believe you've done an effective job of highlighting reasons why he may benefit from signing with Haymon. The PBC talent pool in his weight-range is clearly impressive overall (though it's worth noting that many of the fighters you list in these types of posts, such as Mike Seals and Maciej Sulecki, are uninteresting options for the fighter in question) and for someone who has complained about not being paid well it's tough to think of alternatives to Andrade's current backing that would likely pay him more than Haymon and his investors would. That said, Andrade seems like a bit of a diva and has made financial demands that neither his accomplishments nor drawing power seem to warrant, so I question whether he'll ever be satisfied with what he's paid.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

I've been saying the same thing for a while now. Right now, I don't understand why some fighters are sticking with GBP/HBO.

[kidbazooka1]

I've been saying the same thing for a while now. Right now, I don't understand why some fighters are sticking with GBP/HBO.

Matthysse stuck with GBP cuz of loyalty he said he was with Oscar from the beginning and wants to end his career with oscar.

I respect that.

And because of that he just scored one of the best victories of his career.

Matthysse v Provodnikov would have never happened if he was still with Haymon.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

Matthysse v Provodnikov would have never happened if he was still with Haymon.

Wasn't the fight versus Garcia on a much bigger stage and much more significant than this fight?

If Matthysse went with Haymon, we would have had Mattysse VS Broner instead. A more lucrative fight on a bigger stage.

[kidbazooka1]

Matthysse v Provodnikov would have never happened if he was still with Haymon.

Wasn't the fight versus Garcia on a much bigger stage and much more significant than this fight?

If Matthysse went with Haymon, we would have had Mattysse VS Broner instead. A more lucrative fight on a bigger stage.

Hahaha

No way Haymon feeds Broner to Lucas after what Chino did to him.

[PsychoGamerTwo]

Haymon going to buy the whole boxing... monopoly anyone? There should be someone else with $$$, buying lots of fighters. What about this russian, Ryabinsky? He's got 10 times more $$$ than Haymon.

[Bobbyptsd]

I'm probably a little behind the times, but I've just read that the 22-0 middleweight prospect, Hugo Centeno Jr., has signed with Al Haymon.

The rumour mill is also rife with speculation about Guillermo Rigondeaux joining Haymon's stable of fighters also.

Does anybody have a definitive list of the 200 or so fighters that Al "advises"? :??

I'm not sure if BoxRec is up-to-date.

Rigondeaux has got to do something, talk about not parlaying boxing success into commercial success. The guy's career seems to be going south the more he wins.

As to your original question, I'd assume anyone who wants to make money and doesn't already have a good financial situation probably wants to work with Haymon.