Mayweather's Sticky Punches

[caldo2025]

LOL to you using Manny's commercial as evidence of the supposed ducking claim you are making, you are no more than a nutsucking Weenie and a comical one at that.

Everyone knows Pacquiao DUCKED, the facts are here: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/boxing--fl ... fight.html

^^^^^^^Looks like Manny is the one ducking^^^^^^^^^^^^^

When did Floyd have LEGAL negotiations with any of the fighters you've mentioned?? Did they sit down with their Lawyers and Promoters to arrange a Fight Contract???

We're waiting to hear this one for sure......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

Here we go...he's back on his soap box again spewing BS again. Every publication has an agenda so I don't refer to one piece of garbage from a site like Yahoo Sports for my information. Yahoo is huge in the Boxing Community, I forgot. I've been observing this thing from the start and you look like a fool (AGAIN) trying to say Floyd hasn't avoided Manny the last 5 years. Floyd is and has been the king of Boxing, the A side of A sides. He gets whatever fight he wants to get and he hasn't wanted Manny. There's never been a time in the history of Boxing where a champion refused to fight the number one contender for this long. THE ONLY reason they are fighting now is because Manny hit the media calling him out for the first time. Floyd got away with it because Manny was so quiet and was respectful so the public just assumed it was mutual but once those commercials and tweets came out, it put Floyd on the spot, clearly showing the world how much of a pussy he really is. Real Champions are supposed to defend their titles against #1 contenders and that's why his streak of wins defending the titles will always be marred and not on the level with Marciano.

Has Floyd Mayweather Jr EVER fought his #1 Contender since winning his first belt? Think about it. I'd have to check into it but maybe Oscar was #2 but it was probably Manny then too. Floyds given title fights to guys like Roberto Guerrero (134 pounder normally back then), Victor Ortiz (there's a guy that deserved a title shot ha?), Baldomir (guy was like 38), Gatti, Sharmba Mitchell, Zab overrated Judah, Corley, Bruseles.

Who's he fought?? Oscar, Hatton, Alvarez and Cotto are the only guys deserving of a shot at the title and these are the only fights i'll give Floyd credit for. Now look at Manny's list of opposition, quality up and down the years. Then if you review that along with the fact that it took Floyd 5 years to give Manny a shot, any reasonable man would clearly see who was avoiding who. Floyd gets anything he wants and any fight he desires at any venue he wants on any day he decides on any network he wants referree'd by the ref he wants and the weight he decides and the payout split he prefers. He dictates EVERYTHING so use your head. If FLOYD wanted the fight with Manny at any point in the last 5 years, it would have happened. But he' rather fight mid level contenders that have Mexican heritage or Euruopean fan bases to bring in PPV dollars. He ducked Manny and your a joke per usual blowing Floyd for it.

[cocka09]

LOL to you using Manny's commercial as evidence of the supposed ducking claim you are making, you are no more than a nutsucking Weenie and a comical one at that.

Everyone knows Pacquiao DUCKED, the facts are here: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/boxing--fl ... fight.html

^^^^^^^Looks like Manny is the one ducking^^^^^^^^^^^^^

When did Floyd have LEGAL negotiations with any of the fighters you've mentioned?? Did they sit down with their Lawyers and Promoters to arrange a Fight Contract???

We're waiting to hear this one for sure......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

Here we go...he's back on his soap box again spewing BS again. Every publication has an agenda so I don't refer to one piece of garbage from a site like Yahoo Sports for my information. Yahoo is huge in the Boxing Community, I forgot. I've been observing this thing from the start and you look like a fool (AGAIN) trying to say Floyd hasn't avoided Manny the last 5 years. Floyd is and has been the king of Boxing, the A side of A sides. He gets whatever fight he wants to get and he hasn't wanted Manny. There's never been a time in the history of Boxing where a champion refused to fight the number one contender for this long. THE ONLY reason they are fighting now is because Manny hit the media calling him out for the first time. Floyd got away with it because Manny was so quiet and was respectful so the public just assumed it was mutual but once those commercials and tweets came out, it put Floyd on the spot, clearly showing the world how much of a pussy he really is. Real Champions are supposed to defend their titles against #1 contenders and that's why his streak of wins defending the titles will always be marred and not on the level with Marciano.

Has Floyd Mayweather Jr EVER fought his #1 Contender since winning his first belt? Think about it. I'd have to check into it but maybe Oscar was #2 but it was probably Manny then too. Floyds given title fights to guys like Roberto Guerrero (134 pounder normally back then), Victor Ortiz (there's a guy that deserved a title shot ha?), Baldomir (guy was like 38), Gatti, Sharmba Mitchell, Zab overrated Judah, Corley, Bruseles.

Who's he fought?? Oscar, Hatton, Alvarez and Cotto are the only guys deserving of a shot at the title and these are the only fights i'll give Floyd credit for. Now look at Manny's list of opposition, quality up and down the years. Then if you review that along with the fact that it took Floyd 5 years to give Manny a shot, any reasonable man would clearly see who was avoiding who. Floyd gets anything he wants and any fight he desires at any venue he wants on any day he decides on any network he wants referree'd by the ref he wants and the weight he decides and the payout split he prefers. He dictates EVERYTHING so use your head. If FLOYD wanted the fight with Manny at any point in the last 5 years, it would have happened. But he' rather fight mid level contenders that have Mexican heritage or Euruopean fan bases to bring in PPV dollars. He ducked Manny and your a joke per usual blowing Floyd for it.

I always thought it was Floyd ducking but since thise fight was announced it looks like it has been Manny ducking! I mean what has changed since 5 years ago? Floyd has still asked for the same terms as 5 years ago and now Manny is ok with them? If Manny had of accepted the terms back then they would have fought.

[Pureist]

How about you name the Speedy Southpaws first and then I will tell you the answer to your question??

We're waiting for the names of those speedy southpaws.........................................................................................................................................

The most obvious Southpaw he's been frightened from is right in front of your face, Dope. Manny. Manny had a create commercials showing how much of a pussy Floyd was to get him into the ring. EVERYONE knows that he was waiting for Manny to show some signs of slowing down before ever taking the fight. Sergio Martinez had been trying to get Floyd in the ring for years but Floyd wouldn't even consider it and Sergio presented it at a catchweight and Floyd still showed no interest. Lara as challenged him, nothing. They tried to get him to consider a fight against Winky Wright back in the day, no go. I could keep going but not a huge fan of beating a dead dog.

So now you tell me about the vast list of deadly southpaws Floyd as slain in his 47 fights? Come on Hero? Take your nose out of Floyd's ass for a breath of clean air and respond if you can. Can't wait to hear this garbage.

LOL to you using Manny's commercial as evidence of the supposed ducking claim you are making, you are no more than a nutsucking Weenie and a comical one at that.

Everyone knows Pacquiao DUCKED, the facts are here: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/boxing--fl ... fight.html

^^^^^^^Looks like Manny is the one ducking^^^^^^^^^^^^^

When did Floyd have LEGAL negotiations with any of the fighters you've mentioned?? Did they sit down with their Lawyers and Promoters to arrange a Fight Contract???

We're waiting to hear this one for sure......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

You have got to be joking, an article about how hard Floyd trains is proof that pacquaio ducked Floyd, your insane, pacquaios name wasn't even mentioned in the article, I've heard of grasping at straws but you take this to a new level, your getting desperate kbb

[KBB]

You have got to be joking, an article about how hard Floyd trains is proof that pacquaio ducked Floyd, your insane, pacquaios name wasn't even mentioned in the article, I've heard of grasping at straws but you take this to a new level, your getting desperate kbb

It's apparently obvious to me that you didn't read the article, otherwise you would've saw Manny's name mentioned and understood the following:

Pacquiao's side declined the 2009 contract offer because Pacquiao objected to Mayweather's request for the drug testing

Schaefer said he met Arum shortly before Thanksgiving in 2009 to discuss parameters of a deal, but said he didn't remember sending Top Rank a completed contract for signature that included a 50-50 purse split.

However, in a contract obtained by Yahoo! Sports, paragraph 11 under the section entitled Net Profits reads: "Net Profits shall be allocated 50/50 between GBP and TR." The contract goes on to say that net profits would include a split of "all gross revenues."

In sub-paragraph 11 (a), entitled HBO PPV Fight Night Advance, it reads, "Not withstanding the foregoing, the HBO PPV fight night advance shall be paid 50% directly to GBP and 50% directly to TR."

Schaefer said Pacquiao's reluctance to accept the drug testing Mayweather was demanding in 2009 was "a deal killer."

You are an idiot, how many times Pacquiao's name is mentioned in this article??

You are the one grasping at straws and getting desperate, or is it that you are blind, can't read or cannot comprehend what you read (if you read it at all)??

[koolkc107]

It never ceases to amaze me how much fans of Pacquiao can delude themselves.

Their guy walks away from literally EVERY REAL CHANCE a fight can be made for 5 years...

...yet it is Mayweather who has been ducking all this time.

Using the argument that because Floyd is his own boss and the A-side and therefore could have made the fight at anytime completely misses a crucial point...

...that for the fight to be made the A-side would have had to cave in to the wishes of the B-side, something that happens NEVER.

And something that definitely didn't happen Dec. 09, Early 2012, and at least twice more after those two.

The smoking gun is this. Manny refused random testing in 2009 and did not do random testing until 2013.

Let me repeat that.

The smoking gun:

MANNY REFUSED RANDOM TESTING IN 2009 AND DID NOT DO RANDOM TESTING UNTIL 2013.

Any talk about Floyd running or Floyd not wanting the fight can be refuted a variety of different ways, but none more succinctly than this.

[Pureist]

Pacquaio agreed to a window of 5 days before the fight that blood wouldn't be taken, he agreed to immediately after the fight blood would be taken, was he going to juice in that time, no, if he did would it show up after the fight yes, Floyd didn't want the fight obviously, to not be tested for 5 days, what a joke

[Emil]

I thought it was arum who was the issue all along, that is what you have been saying, in retrospect of course. Though there have been a lot of unusual demands from mayweather over the years in order to face pacquiao, with manny having top rank as a promoter being the latest and biggest obstacle making it impossible to make the fight...

[KBB]

I thought it was arum who was the issue all along, that is what you have been saying, in retrospect of course. Though there have been a lot of unusual demands from mayweather over the years in order to face pacquiao, with manny having top rank as a promoter being the latest and biggest obstacle making it impossible to make the fight...

If Manny wanted the fight and you claim it didn't matter with that small window of testing which was basically included in the same period that Mayweather wanted then it should be obvious who didn't want the fight.

Every newsworthy outlet has reported that Manny's refusal to submit to the testing killed the fight. He was scared and the only reason he is doing it now is because he needs the $$$ to pay off the IRS and other stuff his wife is now spending money like crazy.

[caldo2025]

The ONLY time Manny balked at any point in the last 5 years was not with being tested for drugs but when he would have blood drawn and how many times it would be drawn leading up to the fight. Drawing blood weakens athletes, it's a fact. Manny just wanted to agree to testing pulls that wouldn't affect his performance in the ring so i dont' see what's so wrong with that. Floyd, didn't even come back to him with another option, he just ran with the one excuse he needed to avoid the fight and point blame at Manny.

Let's not forget how Floyd had to write that 7 figure check to Manny for slandering about PEDS. Why would Floyd pay if he knew? Why wouldn't he site examples to fight his accusations? We all saw the video of Floyd SCARED, for his health, fighting Manny. You guys back a pussy like Floyd and then reward him for acts of cowardice. Pretty typical for Floyd fans.

[koolkc107]

The ONLY time Manny balked at any point in the last 5 years was not with being tested for drugs but when he would have blood drawn and how many times it would be drawn leading up to the fight. Drawing blood weakens athletes, it's a fact. Manny just wanted to agree to testing pulls that wouldn't affect his performance in the ring so i dont' see what's so wrong with that. Floyd, didn't even come back to him with another option, he just ran with the one excuse he needed to avoid the fight and point blame at Manny.

Let's not forget how Floyd had to write that 7 figure check to Manny for slandering about PEDS. Why would Floyd pay if he knew? Why wouldn't he site examples to fight his accusations? We all saw the video of Floyd SCARED, for his health, fighting Manny. You guys back a pussy like Floyd and then reward him for acts of cowardice. Pretty typical for Floyd fans.

Drawing blood does not weaken athletes.

Especially boxers who, at any given time, get cut and bleed in the ring.

We've seen it happen to Manny without it having any bearing whatsoever on his performance.

Manny didn't object to blood being drawn per se.

He objected to not knowing exactly what day and time they were going to draw blood.

Big difference.

As to that check Floyd had to write, we don't know what amount it was. We don't even know if there was a check.

LaVergne said documents filed under seal ask U.S. District Judge Larry R. Hicks to dismiss the lawsuit. Documents filed publicly said each side would bear its own attorney fees and costs.

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/84 ... ation-case.

The only thing we know as to money is when the judge ordered Floyd to pay $114,000 in court costs about a week before they settled.

And again, it isn't clear if it was ever paid.

And if it was, so what? We know Floyd places bets larger than that.

[Pureist]

Any volume loss of blood weakens you until the volume is replenished, how long that takes varies between individuals, now answer this, what would have been the issue if pacquaio was given a window of 5 days before the fight but then gave blood directly after the fight, why would Floyd object to that, hair testing is great, all I can see is that Floyd wanted an exit strategy

[koolkc107]

Any volume loss of blood weakens you until the volume is replenished, how long that takes varies between individuals, now answer this, what would have been the issue if pacquaio was given a window of 5 days before the fight but then gave blood directly after the fight, why would Floyd object to that, hair testing is great, all I can see is that Floyd wanted an exit strategy

Manny NEVER agreed to totally random testing with Mayweather until now.

He never did totally random testing until 2013.

And for the last time, drawing blood does not affect an athlete.

A number of steps occur during the blood collection process to ensure blood sample requirements are met.

During the blood collection process, less than one tablespoon of blood will be drawn and the amount of blood should not affect an athlete’s performance. An athlete is required to remain in a seated position for a minimum of 20 minutes prior to the blood draw.*

http://www.usada.org/testing/sample-col ... ess/blood/

[Pureist]

http://youtu.be/qpVY6D-MI7Q------------ a very good piece to watch, secondly, the definition of SHOULD, a probable or expectation----------- should isn't a certainty, so when they say the blood taken SHOULD not affect the athletes performance, they can't guarantee that, pacquaio has already been in this situation before, having blood taken while drying out to make weight 2 days before a fight, can you tell me you know how he felt, of course not, your just making random statements, now tell me, how would a 5 day window of not having blood taken BEFORE the fight cause floyd to pull the pin on their fight in 2009 unless he was looking for an exit strategy, I've answered your questions, answer that

[Pureist]

http://youtu.be/qpVY6D-MI7Q a very good piece to watch, secondly, the definition of SHOULD, a probable or expectation----------- should isn't a certainty, so when they say the blood taken SHOULD not affect the athletes performance, they can't guarantee that, pacquaio has already been in this situation before, having blood taken while drying out to make weight 2 days before a fight, can you tell me you know how he felt, of course not, your just making random statements, now tell me, how would a 5 day window of not having blood taken BEFORE the fight cause floyd to pull the pin on their fight in 2009 unless he was looking for an exit strategy, I've answered your questions, answer that

[Pureist]

http://youtu.be/qpVY6D-MI7Q a very good piece to watch, secondly, the definition of SHOULD, a probable or expectation----------- should isn't a certainty, so when they say the blood taken SHOULD not affect the athletes performance, they can't guarantee that, pacquaio has already been in this situation before, having blood taken while drying out to make weight 2 days before a fight, can you tell me you know how he felt, of course not, your just making random statements, now tell me, how would a 5 day window of not having blood taken BEFORE the fight cause floyd to pull the pin on their fight in 2009 unless he was looking for an exit strategy, I've answered your questions, answer that

http://youtu.be/qpVY6D-MI7Q

[caldo2025]

The ONLY time Manny balked at any point in the last 5 years was not with being tested for drugs but when he would have blood drawn and how many times it would be drawn leading up to the fight. Drawing blood weakens athletes, it's a fact. Manny just wanted to agree to testing pulls that wouldn't affect his performance in the ring so i dont' see what's so wrong with that. Floyd, didn't even come back to him with another option, he just ran with the one excuse he needed to avoid the fight and point blame at Manny.

Let's not forget how Floyd had to write that 7 figure check to Manny for slandering about PEDS. Why would Floyd pay if he knew? Why wouldn't he site examples to fight his accusations? We all saw the video of Floyd SCARED, for his health, fighting Manny. You guys back a pussy like Floyd and then reward him for acts of cowardice. Pretty typical for Floyd fans.

Drawing blood does not weaken athletes.

Especially boxers who, at any given time, get cut and bleed in the ring.

We've seen it happen to Manny without it having any bearing whatsoever on his performance.

Manny didn't object to blood being drawn per se.

He objected to not knowing exactly what day and time they were going to draw blood.

Big difference.

As to that check Floyd had to write, we don't know what amount it was. We don't even know if there was a check.

Roach clearly cited a past fight where blood was drawn a day prior to the fight and it affected his performance. You don't seem like the kind of person that would give blood but there's an organization called the Red Cross and they set up beds for people who would like to donate blood to help people in need. Most people experience dizziness, lack of energy and strength so you really have no idea what you are talking about when you say it "does not weaken athletes". I'd want to know when and where it would be drawn before agreeing to it as well.




LaVergne said documents filed under seal ask U.S. District Judge Larry R. Hicks to dismiss the lawsuit. Documents filed publicly said each side would bear its own attorney fees and costs.

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/84 ... ation-case.

The only thing we know as to money is when the judge ordered Floyd to pay $114,000 in court costs about a week before they settled.

And again, it isn't clear if it was ever paid.

And if it was, so what? We know Floyd places bets larger than that.

[koolkc107]

It is less than a teaspoon of blood.

And BTW, the question of whether it affects him is now moot.

We KNOW it does not.

Just ask Rios if he thought Manny was weak...

[Pureist]

I'm starting to think you share a computer with kbb, how do we KNOW it doesn't weaken him, was he tested in the week leading up to the rios fight, and you still haven't answered my question about the 5 day window, was that unreasonable to ask for the window to make a multi million dollar fight happen, or did Floyd not want to fight

[koolkc107]

I'm starting to think you share a computer with kbb, how do we KNOW it doesn't weaken him, was he tested in the week leading up to the rios fight, and you still haven't answered my question about the 5 day window, was that unreasonable to ask for the window to make a multi million dollar fight happen, or did Floyd not want to fight

You want an answer? Try this...

Testing athletes suspected of rEPO abuse is complicated and may in large part explain athletes like Lance Armstrong’s predicament. Although there are some protocols for the detection of rEPO, unfortunately at this time it is difficult to perform these tests with a very high degree of accuracy. rEPO has very slight biochemical differences to EPO produced within the body and is detectable in urine, but its half-life is so short, it is usually undetectable within 12 hours of administration. Another method of detection is to measure the athlete’s pre-competition hematocrit and percentage blood composed of reticulocytes (immature erythrocytes). Sports governing bodies like the International Cycling Union have placed a ceiling on athlete pre-competition hematocrit values at 50% (that is 50% of the blood volume is erythrocytes) and reticulocyte values at 2.4%. Reticulocytes begin to appear in the blood immediately after a rEPO dose and then later mature into erythrocytes. The value of 50% is “theoretically” proposed as the maximal hematocrit that can be achieved though natural physical conditioning means.


http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Petersen1.html

[Pureist]

Hair testing is more efficient and everything shows up,that would have solved the problem, lance Armstrong micro dosed over a very long time, not 5 days

[koolkc107]

Hair testing is more efficient and everything shows up,that would have solved the problem, lance Armstrong micro dosed over a very long time, not 5 days

The only answer to ensure No Cheating is totally random testing with no cutoff.

[Pureist]

hair-sampling technique used to catch rapists and identify unfit parents in custody battles is to be used to track down drug cheats in sport... Unlike urine testing, which only detects illegal substances between two and five days after they have been ingested, hair samples offer a 'telltale history' of a person's consumption patterns for up to a year, depending on the length of their hair... Human hair grows on average by 1cm a month, so even cheats with a 'number one' crop (3mm) could not evade detection unless they stopped taking drugs ten days before providing a sample. The test can also be carried out on body hair, so athletes with bald or wet-shaved heads would also expect to be caught out...
,let's no pretend, Floyd was scared

[koolkc107]

hair-sampling technique used to catch rapists and identify unfit parents in custody battles is to be used to track down drug cheats in sport... Unlike urine testing, which only detects illegal substances between two and five days after they have been ingested, hair samples offer a 'telltale history' of a person's consumption patterns for up to a year, depending on the length of their hair... Human hair grows on average by 1cm a month, so even cheats with a 'number one' crop (3mm) could not evade detection unless they stopped taking drugs ten days before providing a sample. The test can also be carried out on body hair, so athletes with bald or wet-shaved heads would also expect to be caught out...
,let's no pretend, Floyd was scared

Scared? Really?

Link please. Show me where Floyd was scared of such testing.

Hair may one day be used, but it is not widespread.

Might be cost and ease of use (it is more expensive and involved than blood testing)

Might be just a matter of going with what is proven to work. Certainly not as invasive.

[KBB]

Scared? Really?

Link please. Show me where Floyd was scared of such testing.

Hair may one day be used, but it is not widespread.

Might be cost and ease of use (it is more expensive and involved than blood testing)

Might be just a matter of going with what is proven to work. Certainly not as invasive.

Actually hair is less expensive, with blood and urine you use syringes and bottles and those have to be shipped using boxes or other means and all of those items cost more in bundles, if you are only doing a strand of hair then you only need a little baggie or something else small to contain it and you can ship/courier many/multiples in less expensive packaging.

I used to do Urine Analysis Testing when I was in the Army.

[koolkc107]

Scared? Really?

Link please. Show me where Floyd was scared of such testing.

Hair may one day be used, but it is not widespread.

Might be cost and ease of use (it is more expensive and involved than blood testing)

Might be just a matter of going with what is proven to work. Certainly not as invasive.

Actually hair is less expensive, with blood and urine you use syringes and bottles and those have to be shipped using boxes or other means and all of those items cost more in bundles, if you are only doing a strand of hair then you only need a little baggie or something else small to contain it and you can ship/courier many/multiples in less expensive packaging.

I used to do Urine Analysis Testing when I was in the Army.

I think that part is less.

I am getting mixed data.

The part where folks are saying hair is costlier is in the actual testing, not collection.

That more is involved testing hair.

Then, there are some saying the costs are about the same as you have.

That is why I said "might".