Evander Holyfield vs Joe Louis

[bobcat]

It's, 'per se.' No neurological problem in the world prevents you from knowing that. You didn't misspell it because you tremble when you type, so let's not pretend.

Never mind. Hurricane has just delivered unto us the most extraordinary cross-word jumble of a post. Tom Hanks'd have a difficult time deciphering that

my excuses,i know im necro-posting,but i was hospitalised for awhile and am just starting to see whats going on in this forum again.

and as to g.i:

look asshole,i didnt say trembling was causing me to mispell words.i SPECIFICALLY pointed out that i didnt graduate high school,and therefore try to express myself using words which ive heard but cant allways type.for christ's sake,i have a severe neurological problem,and i actually TRY to type posts that are coherent and interesting.at least i dont type in friggin ebonics or something.id think someone like you would appreciate that someone actually put some goddamn effort into it,but your too busy pointing out that people spelled things wrong.

have fun with all that,im sure its a grammatical mess.

[Grimm]

? I could've sworn this was in boxers of the past

[Goodnight, Irene]

I love that ole chestnut when a person puts together a post with the coherency of an eight-year-old, & then says in their defense, "Well, my spelling/grammar isn't 100% perfect, so what?"

BS. No one's perfect, & no one's getting called on the odd typo, but if you don't know the difference between, 'your' &, 'you're' or, 'there,' 'their' & 'they're,' then let's not pretend you don't have a problem at the basic level.

People can't make simple distinctions (for no other reason than they're simply too lazy to learn) & then want to pretend knowing basic English is tantamount to perfection. Gimme a break. It's like trying to pull into a parking space, braking the car half-way up the sidewalk, & then saying you shouldn't get a ticket because, "I'm not perfect."

[JCS]

Let's get back to the boxing talk... Grammar lessons belong in OT.

[AndreWardFan2006]

Holyfield's stamina and smarts would get him into a brutal late round win by stoppage. He figured out Tyson and neutralized him, so I can see him figuring Louis out and winning by late stoppage....KO 11

[bobcat]

I love that ole chestnut when a person puts together a post with the coherency of an eight-year-old, & then says in their defense, "Well, my spelling/grammar isn't 100% perfect, so what?"

BS. No one's perfect, & no one's getting called on the odd typo, but if you don't know the difference between, 'your' &, 'you're' or, 'there,' 'their' & 'they're,' then let's not pretend you don't have a problem at the basic level.

People can't make simple distinctions (for no other reason than they're simply too lazy to learn) & then want to pretend knowing basic English is tantamount to perfection. Gimme a break. It's like trying to pull into a parking space, braking the car half-way up the sidewalk, & then saying you shouldn't get a ticket because, "I'm not perfect."

look, you dick.

no,i dont insult people alot,but you clearly deserve it. i never said"so my grammar isnt perfect,so what?" . i admitted that my grammar isnt perfect,and gave reasons as to why.i also explained that i try to make my posts as interesting and insightful as possible with the limited vocabulary i have.i am aware they arent always perfect by any stretch,but you know damn well that my posts are coherent,if nothing else.

i wont get a ticket,because i have broken no law.its a false analogy,and a stupid one at that. im here to disscuss boxing,and thats about the beginning and the end of it.

just stop being a dick,it will be much easier on you and everyone around you.

[Djanders]

"Evander Holyfield vs Joe Louis"

Both are in their prime.12 Rounds.Who wins?

After one hell of a fight, a 12 round draw is not beyond the realm of possibilities...in my opinion. 8)

[Grimm]

I love that ole chestnut when a person puts together a post with the coherency of an eight-year-old, & then says in their defense, "Well, my spelling/grammar isn't 100% perfect, so what?"

BS. No one's perfect, & no one's getting called on the odd typo, but if you don't know the difference between, 'your' &, 'you're' or, 'there,' 'their' & 'they're,' then let's not pretend you don't have a problem at the basic level.

People can't make simple distinctions (for no other reason than they're simply too lazy to learn) & then want to pretend knowing basic English is tantamount to perfection. Gimme a break. It's like trying to pull into a parking space, braking the car half-way up the sidewalk, & then saying you shouldn't get a ticket because, "I'm not perfect."

look, you dick.

no,i dont insult people alot,but you clearly deserve it. i never said"so my grammar isnt perfect,so what?" . i admitted that my grammar isnt perfect,and gave reasons as to why.i also explained that i try to make my posts as interesting and insightful as possible with the limited vocabulary i have.i am aware they arent always perfect by any stretch,but you know damn well that my posts are coherent,if nothing else.

i wont get a ticket,because i have broken no law.its a false analogy,and a stupid one at that. im here to disscuss boxing,and thats about the beginning and the end of it.

just stop being a dick,it will be much easier on you and everyone around you.

Now don't start talkin bout dicks silkov might come back.

[Hookie74]

Well, Toney was WBA HW champ for about a minute. I know he was stripped and the decision changed to a NC. I was just making a point. Well, there is nothng anybody can say... your hatred for Holyfield is pure, totally untainted, very powerful stuff! Hey, I can respect that.

Anyway, Schmeling was knocked out 5 times and not just at the end of his career.

I will say this about Max... he should have been a 2x HW champ. After he beat Louis he deserved a shot at Braddock. You all know the story but basically the people who controlled things at the time would rather have a black man they could somewhat control than a nazi (which Schmeling really wasn't despite his connection with the party) as HW champ. They knew either man would beat Braddock. Braddock would get a piece of Louis' future purses for his cooperation. Louis was a good enough man to push for the rematch with Schmeling. Max, Joe, and Jimmy were class all the way.

Joe Lewis was on Milk and Corn Bread ! Evander was on HGH !
If Joe Lewis was on HGH he would still be heavy weight champion !

Joe Lewis was a great martial artist but I doubt he would do well in the boxing ring vs. an all-time great HW. Joe Louis on the other hand... lol

[Hookie74]

Gotta bump this old thread

[non-prophet]

Ok, now I know people get all nostalgic & glorify greats of previous decades & I understand, especially when no one recognizes that Magic Johnson was far better than Jordan. But in the same way that if you took Bob Cousy, great as he was, out of 1960 & in Micheal J Fox back to the future style brought him into today, IN NO UNIVERSE does he make as the 12th man ANY D-league team, Joe Louis gets OBLITERATED against Holyfield! Are you kidding me?!? People say, oh but you don't understand, these guys were tough, try fought every month, fighters today fight once, twice a year. Yeah, cuz they'd die. They hit harder, have better nutrition, science workout equipment, technique. It's like the NFL having concussions today. It's not b/c they are a bunch of wusses, it's cuz they hit harder! I watch the films of fight in the 30's, 40's, no defense, horrible footwork, slow, guard low, Joe Louis got knocked out by Max Schmelling, who boxes like a put up your dukes 3 stooges bit. Evander Holyfield? Holyfield? A fat James Toney DESTROYS Joe Louis, I don't care how you dress it up. NO WAY. Just being real.

[Giancarlo]

Ok, now I know people get all nostalgic & glorify greats of previous decades & I understand, especially when no one recognizes that Magic Johnson was far better than Jordan. But in the same way that if you took Bob Cousy, great as he was, out of 1960 & in Micheal J Fox back to the future style brought him into today, IN NO UNIVERSE does he make as the 12th man ANY D-league team, Joe Louis gets OBLITERATED against Holyfield! Are you kidding me?!? People say, oh but you don't understand, these guys were tough, try fought every month, fighters today fight once, twice a year. Yeah, cuz they'd die. They hit harder, have better nutrition, science workout equipment, technique. It's like the NFL having concussions today. It's not b/c they are a bunch of wusses, it's cuz they hit harder! I watch the films of fight in the 30's, 40's, no defense, horrible footwork, slow, guard low, Joe Louis got knocked out by Max Schmelling, who boxes like a put up your dukes 3 stooges bit. Evander Holyfield? Holyfield? A fat James Toney DESTROYS Joe Louis, I don't care how you dress it up. NO WAY. Just being real.

[tennessee]

Real Deal any day. Bum of the month would not of prepared Louis for the beat down he certainly would have got.

[cfang]

If this is true and all the new guys are vastly superior to the old, how can it be that Foreman, old and fat could win the title and compete the way he did 20 years past his prime? He was a heavy from the 70s who beat top guys in the 90s! At what stage do the old guys become rubbish then? 10 years ago, 20, 50, 70?

I don't buy it at all. Evander would war with Louis and Louis would stop him. A superior fighter.

[Tomasino]

Louis would win this I believe. Just too accurate and hard hitting. Would be a great fight though. I think the more mobile cruiser weight early heavyweight Evander would do best. The Holy who beat Tyson and struggled with Lewis would get bit too hard and too often perhaps being finished by the best finisher the division has seen.

[badkatt]

holyfield

[badkatt]

I'm a big Louis fan. I visited the man's gravesite. Please don't think I dislike him in anyway. I just think too many on this forum have short memories when it comes to Holyfield's career.

Inconsistent? Holyfield didn't lose his first pro fight until he was 30! He was undefeated for 8 years and during that time he ruled two divisions going 10-0 (7) in World Title Fights and 5-0 (2) vs. Hall Of Fame fighters in Qawi x2, DeLeon, Foreman, and Holmes.

If you just look at what he did past the age of 30 you could easily say he had mixed results... 14-10-2 (5) overall and 6-7-2 (2) in HW World title fights past the age of 30. It's hard to regain a title when you're over 30 but he did it 3 times. During this time he beat guys like Bowe 1 out of 3, Moorer 1 out of 2, Mercer, Tyson x2, Ruiz (1-1-1 vs. him), Rahman, Oquendo, and Savarese among others.

Now... what did Louis do past age 30? 12-2 (7) overall and 4-1 (3) in HW World title fights. Very impressive but he didn't fight past age 37.

One of those fights was a bullshit decision win over Jersey Joe Walcott. He beat all-time great LHW Billy Conn in a rematch. He beat Walcott in a rematch and retired at age 34. He came back at age 36 and lost to Charles. He retired at age 37 after being stopped by Marciano in 8. During this time he also beat guys like Jimmy Bivins (who was also toward the end of his career), Cesar Brion x2, Lee Savold, and Freddie Beshore among others.

Holyfield just lost a bullshit decision to a HW world title holder (I won't call him a champion) at age 46! At age 37 (that was 9 years ago people) Holyfield had just went 12 rounds with a prime Lennox Lewis and won in the eyes of many people (I'm talking about the rematch). At this point Holyfield was 36-3-1 (25) overall and 15-3-1 (9) in World Title Fights. He had only been stopped once (at age 33)... that doesn't sound very inconsistent to me.

You have to compare apples to apples. Don't compare a 46 year old man with a 37 year old man.

THIS

[campfire]

Louis wins a hard fought un 15rd dec

[985802]

Idiots voting for joe the man never would land way outmatched in skill and movement its obvious he loses why troll like look how he moved stiff and only could hit often targets that stood still

Holy wouldnt just stand there he would dodge counter and punch from mutiple angles like this is so obvious do idiots not watch matches

Somebody compared bert and said he had success the man was way more advanced then joe so where did you get joe was more skilled then holy from you people either aren't watching matches or trolling or just idiots anybody can see bert was way more advanced then joe and that's why he did good

The old guys are all trash compared to 70s-this era cause they are outdated in movement and tech you would know this if you watched vids from Other era's