Again a loss for Wlad

[kidbazooka1]

Wow you guys are really grasping.

Trust me if Wlad was American no fuucking one here in the states would call him the goat HW.

The way he fights he wouldn't have any fans here even if he was American.

Why cuz were not that desperate to praise anyone just cuz there the same nationality especially a fighter with such horrendous style like wlad.

But obviously you for folks over in the uk function a lil differently.

Sorry but thats pretty sad if you ask me but hey at the end of the day you can't lie to yourself.

Deep down you all know the guy is a mess to watch.

[thomasjkelley]

Wladimir uses clinching as a definitive part of his overall strategy and I didn't think he was excessive tonight. If anything, your referee from Canada, Michael Griffin, overly involved himself. How many times did he warn Wlad to stop pushing when he shoved off with his jab? I've never seen a fighter warned for pushing in that manner before. Technically, if you're not snapping off your jab with enthusiasm, then you're pushing it. Heavyweight fights in general are uglier than other divisions, tonight wasn't ugly. Holding is a foul that is not supposed to be allowed but clinching is a legitimate tactic and Wladimir simply does it well. If you noticed, many of Klitschko's holds/clinches happened as Jennings lowered his shoulder into his chest and wrapped his left arm around Wlad's waist. I had no problem with his technique tonight and I was rooting against him......I desperately want to see an American reign as heavyweight champ once again. The only issue I have with Klitschko's style is that it can make for boring fights like tonight.

you stupid. he uses clinching as a definitive part of his strategy and you say it isnt excessive, when you said yourself, that it is part of his game

What is wrong with you? Purposely acting uneducated does not make you look cool or smart, it's shameful. There's no reason you can't spell properly and use correct English grammar. You're the type of kid who gives Americans the reputation of ignorance. You need to get your sh#t together. Read my post again and respond properly; to what I wrote, not what you think or wish I wrote. Please?

[hurricanemitch14]

[/quote]


Yep. But then I'm not a jealous and hurting American.

It's wonderful watching the intelligence of Wladimir that can only be appreciated by those that have reasonable "boxing" intelligence themselves.[/quote]

Ahhh i see so your one of those Europeans that root for a euro fighter regardless how shiity they look.

Gotcha.

Boy do i feel sorry for you to have to somehow convince yourself that that crap wlad pulls in all of his fights is "boxing intelligence" your really grasping huh.

Pretty pitiful i might add.

Boxing intelligence is what Floyd does shiit and im no Floyd fan but i can recognize it.

What wlad does is just plain disgusting and embarrassing to the sport of boxing.[/quote]


No, not gotcha at all.

i don't look at any fight with the notion of "he is European" or "he is white" or "he is American" or anything like that.

I say it as I see it. What I see is some Americans are fair enough in their judgement but to some everything evolves around America, they see America as the centre of everything and it REALLY annoys those people that the heavyweight champion of the world is from the Ukraine. If Klitschko was American he'd be hailed as the greatest heavyweight in history by now.

The USA is one country, it does not own the world. Some people it seems need reminding of that. Their prejudice impairs their judgement.[/quote]



How do go to bashing American when we're talking about Wlad's holding. It wasn't that bad last night but in the past it's been horrible. All us American don't have a problem with big brother.....the real fighter in the family. He fought, he didn't jab hold jab hold jab hold...aww shit he's coming forward so I better hold.

[dempseyfire]

Wlad wasnt bad tonight after the warning in rd 5. After that it was a normal boxing match. Damn near impossible to not hold when ur 6'5 and fight a jennings who likes to get inside and grind. Wlad should have 7 losses tho for holding.

You don't have to hold. Riddick Bowe whupped Holyfield on the inside (a FAR superor fighter to Jennings)

[punchoutsb]

Do you guys remember how awesome it was for those few brief days when chapppaaa quit posting because they updated the forum? Any chance we can get another update soon?

[digzee]

Do you guys remember how awesome it was for those few brief days when chapppaaa quit posting because they updated the forum? Any chance we can get another update soon?

I second that motion.

[hurricanemitch14]

Wlad wasnt bad tonight after the warning in rd 5. After that it was a normal boxing match. Damn near impossible to not hold when ur 6'5 and fight a jennings who likes to get inside and grind. Wlad should have 7 losses tho for holding.

You don't have to hold. Riddick Bowe whupped Holyfield on the inside (a FAR superor fighter to Jennings)

True dat

[punchoutsb]

Wlad wasnt bad tonight after the warning in rd 5. After that it was a normal boxing match. Damn near impossible to not hold when ur 6'5 and fight a jennings who likes to get inside and grind. Wlad should have 7 losses tho for holding.

You don't have to hold. Riddick Bowe whupped Holyfield on the inside (a FAR superor fighter to Jennings)

True dat

Wlad's never had to rely on low blows to beat a Pierre Coetzer either. So there's that.

[pound per pound]

true. A competent referee would take away 3-4 points, making the fight close on the scorecards and possibly a draw.

All fighters clinch. Here's the thing no one talks about. Jennings didn't have to fall into the trap. He could have engaged at arms length or half distance. Wlad doesn't hit while clinching. Maybe he should because his opponents do it all the time. When the official took away a point, Wlad
kind of just moved Jennings around without clinching.

Jennings only won two rounds or three rounds. I'm not sure if this was one of Wlad's off nights, or if Jennings was pretty decent. Maybe it was a bit of both.

[caldo2025]

What a horrible fight that was. I just don't see why anyone would pay a dime to see Wlad fight. I agree with the majority of the posters here, the 1pt deduction was pathetic. The ref warned he would take a point away 3 times during the fight. You only warn a boxer one time that you're taking a point away and then you start taking points. If you notice, the action picked up a little after the deduction, which doesn't say much for that pathetic fight. Wlad won the fight by pushing a weak jab..not popping it but just pushing it as to keep Bryant away. Landed one right hand and that was the fight right there. Nice heavyweight champion we've got there.

I can't stand Wilder but he brings some electricity to the forgotten division. He's got skills and i think that he could give Wlad a good run for his money right now because Wlad looked slow. But in strange fashion, did i hear Wilder challenged Wlad's trainer instead? Joke division

[Chepppaaa]

What a horrible fight that was. I just don't see why anyone would pay a dime to see Wlad fight. I agree with the majority of the posters here, the 1pt deduction was pathetic. The ref warned he would take a point away 3 times during the fight. You only warn a boxer one time that you're taking a point away and then you start taking points. If you notice, the action picked up a little after the deduction, which doesn't say much for that pathetic fight. Wlad won the fight by pushing a weak jab..not popping it but just pushing it as to keep Bryant away. Landed one right hand and that was the fight right there. Nice heavyweight champion we've got there.

I can't stand Wilder but he brings some electricity to the forgotten division. He's got skills and i think that he could give Wlad a good run for his money right now because Wlad looked slow. But in strange fashion, did i hear Wilder challenged Wlad's trainer instead? Joke division

heavyweight is such a horrible division and what is even more horrible is that the most famous boxing magazine puts a guy at #2 of a p4p list who is robotic and cant even punch a basic punch like a jab in perfect fashion.

[Yes We Can]

Wlad is no worse to watch than Lennox Lewis (with the exclusion of the Povetkin fight) who is considered A top 25 ATG fighter, and to be honest his record is very comparable.

Wlad clinches plenty, but why does no blame get apportioned to his opponents who are simply falling into the same trap again and again, and whilst in the clinch do absolutely nothing but wait for the break. When was the last time a fighter tried to throw on the inside with Wlad?

Jennings is another solid scalp to add to his list, and the American proved himself to be in the mix with the competing pack, i'd love to see him in against Pulev, Povetkin, Stiverne soon as they would be good fights.

Wlad will fight Fury next, which is most likely going to be the most boring fight in a while.

[punchoutsb]

What a horrible fight that was. I just don't see why anyone would pay a dime to see Wlad fight. I agree with the majority of the posters here, the 1pt deduction was pathetic. The ref warned he would take a point away 3 times during the fight. You only warn a boxer one time that you're taking a point away and then you start taking points. If you notice, the action picked up a little after the deduction, which doesn't say much for that pathetic fight. Wlad won the fight by pushing a weak jab..not popping it but just pushing it as to keep Bryant away. Landed one right hand and that was the fight right there. Nice heavyweight champion we've got there.

I can't stand Wilder but he brings some electricity to the forgotten division. He's got skills and i think that he could give Wlad a good run for his money right now because Wlad looked slow. But in strange fashion, did i hear Wilder challenged Wlad's trainer instead? Joke division

heavyweight is such a horrible division and what is even more horrible is that the most famous boxing magazine puts a guy at #2 of a p4p list who is robotic and cant even punch a basic punch like a jab in perfect fashion.

Wlad's jab is amazing. He was pushing a bit against Jennings, but to question his jab is...

Well I guess I shouldn't really waste my time here.

[hurricanemitch14]

Wlad does have good jab....he was pushing it lot sat bc he gets up tight when fighters r grinding their way in. Only way to beat him is to go forward. Easier said than done but these guys show up and sit back r just showing up for a payday.

[Jpreisser]

Wladimir has an excellent jab, but the way he kept pushing it and not following it up with straight rights was a bit puzzling to me. He also didn't start letting lead left hooks go until very late into the fight, which surprised me due to its great effect in his previous bout.

As an American, I think Wladimir Klitshchko is great. I think a case for a top-10 position can already be made. Is his style boring? At times, but I also see the skill which has allowed him to maintain his position. The clinching thwarts the inside fighting efforts of his opponents and whenever his opponent and him are reset, he does a wonderful job of keeping distance with a powerful, technically solid, and smart jab. His right hand and left hook are highly effective too, and I don't personally find him robotic. Hopefully he has a more telling performance in his next outing.

[kidbazooka1]

What a horrible fight that was. I just don't see why anyone would pay a dime to see Wlad fight. I agree with the majority of the posters here, the 1pt deduction was pathetic. The ref warned he would take a point away 3 times during the fight. You only warn a boxer one time that you're taking a point away and then you start taking points. If you notice, the action picked up a little after the deduction, which doesn't say much for that pathetic fight. Wlad won the fight by pushing a weak jab..not popping it but just pushing it as to keep Bryant away. Landed one right hand and that was the fight right there. Nice heavyweight champion we've got there.

I can't stand Wilder but he brings some electricity to the forgotten division. He's got skills and i think that he could give Wlad a good run for his money right now because Wlad looked slow. But in strange fashion, did i hear Wilder challenged Wlad's trainer instead? Joke division

heavyweight is such a horrible division and what is even more horrible is that the most famous boxing magazine puts a guy at #2 of a p4p list who is robotic and cant even punch a basic punch like a jab in perfect fashion.

Wlad's jab is amazing. He was pushing a bit against Jennings, but to question his jab is...

Well I guess I shouldn't really waste my time here.

Ive boxed as an amateur for 8 yrs often used as a sparring partner for Nonito and his brother Glen who had just turned pro at the time and Wlads jab was just plain horrible in the Jennings fight.

He pushed with it slowly and never got enough extension out of it.

If you didnt know any better you would think the guy was some former foot ball player who just started learning the basics of boxing.

There is no debating Wlad is as robotic as they come but when your as massive as he is he just cant help it

[punchoutsb]

Ive boxed as an amateur for 8 yrs often used as a sparring partner for Nonito and his brother Glen who had just turned pro at the time and Wlads jab was just plain horrible in the Jennings fight.

He pushed with it slowly and never got enough extension out of it.

If you didnt know any better you would think the guy was some former foot ball player who just started learning the basics of boxing.

There is no debating Wlad is as robotic as they come but when your as massive as he is he just cant help it

That's a pretty sweet backstory man I bet you have some fun stories to share!

That being said, you must surely be able to see then that Wlad has a superb jab. He pushed it against Jennings (as I stated), but when looking at his overall career performance his jab is right up near the top.

This fight was the worst I've seen Wlad in a very long time...and he lost two rounds. So yeah, he probably has years left in his historically dominant reign.

[kidbazooka1]

Ive boxed as an amateur for 8 yrs often used as a sparring partner for Nonito and his brother Glen who had just turned pro at the time and Wlads jab was just plain horrible in the Jennings fight.

He pushed with it slowly and never got enough extension out of it.

If you didnt know any better you would think the guy was some former foot ball player who just started learning the basics of boxing.

There is no debating Wlad is as robotic as they come but when your as massive as he is he just cant help it

That's a pretty sweet backstory man I bet you have some fun stories to share!

That being said, you must surely be able to see then that Wlad has a superb jab. He pushed it against Jennings (as I stated), but when looking at his overall career performance his jab is right up near the top.

This fight was the worst I've seen Wlad in a very long time...and he lost two rounds. So yeah, he probably has years left in his historically dominant reign.

Yeah stories of getting my ass beat by Nonito.

He was a cool guy though really humble even around the gym he was already an accomplished amateur but never acted like one.

But yeah I've seen Wlad use a good jab in the past don't know where it went in the Jennings fight.

[JeanClaude Van Damme]

Wlad's opponents in world title fights according to boxrec's system:

Jennings - 357
Pulev - 766
Leapai - 234
Povetkin - 450
Pianeta - 292
Wach - 288
Thompson - 434
Mormeck - 310
Haye - 621
Peter - 486
Chambers - 532
Chagaev - 775
Rahman - 329
Thompson - 522
Ibragimov - 576
Brewster - 476
Austin - 327
Brock - 488
Byrd - 633
Peter - 603
McCline - 585
Mercer - 178
Botha - 237
Shufford - 266
Jefferson - 209
Byrd - 585



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Randoms:

Bonecrusher Smith (vs Mike Tyson) - 993
Mike Weaver (vs James Tillis) - 1537
Earnie Shavers - (vs Larry Holmes) - 1320
Jimmy Young (vs Ken Norton) - 1730

[caldo2025]

Wlad's jab is amazing. He was pushing a bit against Jennings, but to question his jab is...

Well I guess I shouldn't really waste my time here.

No, I agree with you. The key to Wlad's success was the jab that Manny Stewart taught him. It's the same jab that turned Lennox Lewis into a dominant champion. Time catches up with everyone though and Wlad's almost 40 years old and really looks primed for a beat down now. He's had a great run and it's not his fault that the division has been so poor of competition. Btw, I prefer his brother over Wlad because he's more exciting but whatever.

There's been a lot of talk on these boards lately about P4P rankings and most lists had Wlad on them and I thought that was a joke prior to the Jennings fight.

[punchoutsb]

Wlad's opponents in world title fights according to boxrec's system:

Jennings - 357
Pulev - 766
Leapai - 234
Povetkin - 450
Pianeta - 292
Wach - 288
Thompson - 434
Mormeck - 310
Haye - 621
Peter - 486
Chambers - 532
Chagaev - 775
Rahman - 329
Thompson - 522
Ibragimov - 576
Brewster - 476
Austin - 327
Brock - 488
Byrd - 633
Peter - 603
McCline - 585
Mercer - 178
Botha - 237
Shufford - 266
Jefferson - 209
Byrd - 585



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Randoms:

Bonecrusher Smith (vs Mike Tyson) - 993
Mike Weaver (vs James Tillis) - 1537
Earnie Shavers - (vs Larry Holmes) - 1320
Jimmy Young (vs Ken Norton) - 1730

Jameel McCline (vs Wlad)- 585
Jack Dempsey (overall) - 577

The ol' computer isn't the best way to make a point...

[Baby Face Finster]

Wlad is very frustrating to watch a lot of the time. You keep hoping he follows up his jabs with a right hand but he rarely does, yet he still manages to win fights dominantly. So many times during that fight I saw openings where he should have fired a right hand or a left hook but refused to do so. I think had he not been stopped by Brewster he wouldn't be so hesitant to throw a lot more punches. Wlad before and during the Brewster fight wasn't afraid to let his hands go and as a consequence was much more entertaining to watch though it made him far more vulnerable to losing.

[Chepppaaa]

long story short, i am happy when he retires

[crusader]

Wlad's opponents in world title fights according to boxrec's system:

Jennings - 357
Pulev - 766
Leapai - 234
Povetkin - 450
Pianeta - 292
Wach - 288
Thompson - 434
Mormeck - 310
Haye - 621
Peter - 486
Chambers - 532
Chagaev - 775
Rahman - 329
Thompson - 522
Ibragimov - 576
Brewster - 476
Austin - 327
Brock - 488
Byrd - 633
Peter - 603
McCline - 585
Mercer - 178
Botha - 237
Shufford - 266
Jefferson - 209
Byrd - 585



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Randoms:

Bonecrusher Smith (vs Mike Tyson) - 993
Mike Weaver (vs James Tillis) - 1537
Earnie Shavers - (vs Larry Holmes) - 1320
Jimmy Young (vs Ken Norton) - 1730

BoxRec points are highly flawed for comparing eras. To give related examples, Herol Graham would be P4P 3 today even when he had yet to fight above EBU-level, which he first did when he faced Kalamby, while his opponent Mark Kaylor would be near the P4P top 10 today using his points following his British title win.

I think it's fairly clear from looking at their achievements at those times that such lofty rankings would be very inappropriate, and there are many more cases like this which can be adduced.

[JeanClaude Van Damme]

Wlad's opponents in world title fights according to boxrec's system:

Jennings - 357
Pulev - 766
Leapai - 234
Povetkin - 450
Pianeta - 292
Wach - 288
Thompson - 434
Mormeck - 310
Haye - 621
Peter - 486
Chambers - 532
Chagaev - 775
Rahman - 329
Thompson - 522
Ibragimov - 576
Brewster - 476
Austin - 327
Brock - 488
Byrd - 633
Peter - 603
McCline - 585
Mercer - 178
Botha - 237
Shufford - 266
Jefferson - 209
Byrd - 585



LOL




Randoms:

Bonecrusher Smith (vs Mike Tyson) - 993
Mike Weaver (vs James Tillis) - 1537
Earnie Shavers - (vs Larry Holmes) - 1320
Jimmy Young (vs Ken Norton) - 1730

Jameel McCline (vs Wlad)- 585
Jack Dempsey (overall) - 577

The ol' computer isn't the best way to make a point...

Those ratings aren't the same for when they were active. He retired at 1051 after his final loss to Tunney.