Final oppion the big one!

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Chepppaaa
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Final oppion the big one!

Post by Chepppaaa »

my final oppinion is, going through the fight in my mind is, a lot of chasing from manny, winning early rounds, floyd becoming more comfortable by mid fight and winning a lot of rounds.

i see it playing out, floyd saving energy in a rope a dope style of fight, manny chasing floyd as a said, but even with the left cross finding trouble to punch floyd clear, bayless breaking fast as usual and floyd doing his jab or 1+2 or his jab duck under right hook. i also expect a lot of foot on foot because of the stances of the boxers. and a lot of floyd going backwards and manny forward.

down the line, i just have trouble with manny keeping up the aggression and simply winning the rounds on being ultra active, with ultra active i mean jose castillo style, just pressing forward and unleashing body head body, just working relentless and not going into floyd chess game, where you get outtechniced every time.

I expect a close UD win for floyd, who do you think gonne win and most importantly, in which fashion?
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My first thought is Floyd winning kind of like he did vs JMM, only in a closer fight. What may make it exciting is if Pac lands some big shots to hurt Floyd and maybe knock him down. Will it make Floyd sprout fangs and spit fire like vs Mosley? I can see Floyd laughing at Pac's punches like he did JMM to get into Pac's head and make him more reckless, then make him pay. I can see Floyd winning by something like 8-4 or 7-5 in a decision. If Floyd fights defensively for the most part, the cards will be fairly close.

My second thought, (and prediction) is Floyd beginning the fight as the aggressor, relying heavy on the jab both to the body and the head, and setting traps for Pac that will make Pac look over-matched and eventually get stopped late in the fight. Pac will have to reach to get to Floyd, and will make mistakes. Pac will eat many straight rights and some check hooks, that is pretty much is a given. I do believe Floyd will try to make a statement and end this fight so no one will cry for a rematch. If Pacquiao's legs hold up, and can get in and out very quick, Floyd's game plan may change. We have seen Pac fade in a few fights, but I have never seen Floyd do that. He typically gets better as the fight goes on.

I just honestly cannot see Pac winning this fight if it stays in the ring's center. He is going into it with too many disadvantages, even if Floyd is 38 yrs old. Speed and power are pretty much even. Both have quick feet but Floyd has better footwork. Floyd can adjust better, has a longer reach, better punch arsenal, stamina, chin, etc, etc, etc. Manny is awkward and quick, so he can be unpredictable. Can Manny get in, throw 4 or 5 punches and get out without getting hit? That is his game plan. To me he squares his body up too much when he punches, and his feet tend to stop right before he throws. If an amateur like me can see it, Floyd will exploit it big time.

Whatever the result may be, I hope everyone comes back here to give the winner props. I will give Pac full credit if he wins, or even if he makes it close. Bet with your head, not your heart. Like the saying goes, heart is for family....brains and balls are for business.
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Pacman wide and fairly comfortable UD. Floyd will look old, slow and won't get off the ropes.
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Mayweather is too big for Pacquiao. I expect a clear cut win in what will be, I predict, a pretty disappointing fight.
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Mayweather will "probably" win. Both fighters have aged. I just don't see either fighter performing at top peak.
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Manny in a controversial split decision to force the rematch.
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Post by Rodian »

Pacquiao via UD, wide margin. He will outclass Floyd and all the boxing experts will be dumbfounded.
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Mayweather KO1
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Post by Fightdoctor »

Floyd ain't losing to a smaller fighter, who is around his age and has undergone random blood and urine testing. Whoever controls the distance controls the fight. Whoever controls the pace WINS the fight. Manny is not the non-stop punching, unlimited stamina dynamo of 5-6 years ago. He gets tired now like most fighters do. Floyd has shown susceptibility to bigger, stronger pressure fighters. But Manny is none of these things versus Floyd. Manny is a speedster, volume puncher who can overwhelm lesser fighters and catch you with unconventional punches. Floyd has been preparing for a dog fight because he has seen Monster Manny (vs Miguel Cotto) but he will be fighting lesser Manny (vs Algieri), who struggles against well-schooled, conventional boxers (yes I know he dropped Algieri six times but Algieri is far from elite). Floyd will have to gain Manny's respect early in order to establish control of the distance. Bodywork will slow Manny's output and allow Floyd to dictate the pace with lead rights and left hooks. The only questions in my mind are will Manny be able to stand up to the punishment for 12 rounds and will Floyd be willing to keep his foot on the gas for the whole fight or will he let up when he knows he is winning handily on the cards. My gut tells me that Floyd's punches will have a greater impact on the smaller Manny and he will keep his foot on the gas because Vegas desperately wants a rematch (which would only sell well if Manny wins or the fight is extremely close). If one fight can inject $1billion into the Vegas economy in a single weekend why not do it again.
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Floyd UD 12.
Pac wins first 2 rounds on aggression and tags Floyd a few times. Then, Floyd gets on his bicycle and jabs/moves for next 6 rounds winning all of them. Crowd gets restless. Pac knows he's behind and starts getting reckless, then Floyd counters and drops Pac at some point. Pac gets up and keeps coming harder. Floyd moves and moves, with not much action for remainder of fight. Boxing people know that Floyd won the boxing match, but crowd boos as they just see Pac as the aggressor and Floyd as the runner. Then, it's talked about on all sports channels for a week...
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Folks predicting Manny are doing so with their hearts, not their heads.

It is Manny who has slowed the most here.

Bradley was dead even for half a fight, and he is nowhere near as gifted as even a declined Floyd is now.

They expect Pac to KO a guy who has taken flush punches from guys weighing 165 and 170 on fight night, yet Pac couldn't finish a guy (Algieri) who had never fought a true welter before and couldn't have come in the ring any heavier than 154 or so.

Manny is in A LOT of trouble.

And it will be clear almost immediately just how bad it is going to be.

Easy fight for Floyd.
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koolkc107 wrote:Folks predicting Manny are doing so with their hearts, not their heads.

It is Manny who has slowed the most here.

Bradley was dead even for half a fight, and he is nowhere near as gifted as even a declined Floyd is now.

They expect Pac to KO a guy who has taken flush punches from guys weighing 165 and 170 on fight night, yet Pac couldn't finish a guy (Algieri) who had never fought a true welter before and couldn't have come in the ring any heavier than 154 or so.

Manny is in A LOT of trouble.

And it will be clear almost immediately just how bad it is going to be.

Easy fight for Floyd.

1. Bradley is probably the most conditioned boxer after Floyd and Manny.

2. Cotto also took flush punches from guys weighting 165 and 170 on fight night.
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koolkc107 wrote:Folks predicting Manny are doing so with their hearts, not their heads.

It is Manny who has slowed the most here.

Bradley was dead even for half a fight, and he is nowhere near as gifted as even a declined Floyd is now.

They expect Pac to KO a guy who has taken flush punches from guys weighing 165 and 170 on fight night, yet Pac couldn't finish a guy (Algieri) who had never fought a true welter before and couldn't have come in the ring any heavier than 154 or so.

Manny is in A LOT of trouble.

And it will be clear almost immediately just how bad it is going to be.

Easy fight for Floyd.

it is not manny that slowed down the most, its floyd.

manny was quick and energized against algieri, floyd looked slow down against maidana.
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truthfully, they've both slowed down.
If 2015 Mayweather fought 2010 Pac, Pac wins.
If 2015 Pac fought 2010 Mayweather, Floyd wins easily.
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Re: Final oppion the big one!

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IKSRTFO wrote:
koolkc107 wrote:Folks predicting Manny are doing so with their hearts, not their heads.

It is Manny who has slowed the most here.

Bradley was dead even for half a fight, and he is nowhere near as gifted as even a declined Floyd is now.

They expect Pac to KO a guy who has taken flush punches from guys weighing 165 and 170 on fight night, yet Pac couldn't finish a guy (Algieri) who had never fought a true welter before and couldn't have come in the ring any heavier than 154 or so.

Manny is in A LOT of trouble.

And it will be clear almost immediately just how bad it is going to be.

Easy fight for Floyd.

1. Bradley is probably the most conditioned boxer after Floyd and Manny.

2. Cotto also took flush punches from guys weighting 165 and 170 on fight night.
Bradley's skill level is a few grades below Floyd's. And he has regressed a little as indicated by his draw with Chavez.

What is also clear is Tim is not the brightest guy in the ring, making a fight with Provo way closer than it should have been and
blowing his load in 6 rounds versus Pac.

Just no comparison with Floyd.

As for Cotto, he took those punches from bigger guys without being drained. No doubt he takes Manny's power a lot better if he doesn't have to drain himself. Apparently, Manny thinks so too or he would have fought him at 154 when he had the chance...like Floyd did.
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Bradley is a lot closer to Mayweather than any Mayweather opponent being closer to Pacquiao.

Mayweather is in for a huge surprise against pacquiao. He struggled against slow fighters like Maidana and Cotto took 4 rounds from him.
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After Pacquiao's early burst of energy, probably lasting about 3 rounds, Mayweather will take over and simply potshot the oncoming, defensively deficient Filipino.
Manny's legs have been shot for several years (look at how off balance he was throughout the last Marquez bout) and you question how much of a chin he has left---matches against feather-fisted Bradley and Algieri along with bloated lightweight Rios---disguised Pacquiao's age-related weaknesses.

All-in-all it should be a fairly routine win for Mayweather once Pac wears down, and he'll win comfortably.

Of course, some judge will still score it for Pacquiao. It'll probably be the clueless guy who didn't know you could score a round 10-6 and cost Pacquiao the first fight against Marquez. He'll want to give Manny a "makeup" score for his blunder 11 years ago.
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SenorPipino wrote:After Pacquiao's early burst of energy, probably lasting about 3 rounds, Mayweather will take over and simply potshot the oncoming, defensively deficient Filipino.
Manny's legs have been shot for several years (look at how off balance he was throughout the last Marquez bout) and you question how much of a chin he has left---matches against feather-fisted Bradley and Algieri along with bloated lightweight Rios---disguised Pacquiao's age-related weaknesses.

All-in-all it should be a fairly routine win for Mayweather once Pac wears down, and he'll win comfortably.

Of course, some judge will still score it for Pacquiao. It'll probably be the clueless guy who didn't know you could score a round 10-6 and cost Pacquiao the first fight against Marquez. He'll want to give Manny a "makeup" score for his blunder 11 years ago.

Very good description of what will probably happen. Not much has been said about Manny's opposition his last 3 fights.
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Chepppaaa wrote:my final oppinion is, going through the fight in my mind is, a lot of chasing from manny, winning early rounds, floyd becoming more comfortable by mid fight and winning a lot of rounds.

i see it playing out, floyd saving energy in a rope a dope style of fight, manny chasing floyd as a said, but even with the left cross finding trouble to punch floyd clear, bayless breaking fast as usual and floyd doing his jab or 1+2 or his jab duck under right hook. i also expect a lot of foot on foot because of the stances of the boxers. and a lot of floyd going backwards and manny forward.

down the line, i just have trouble with manny keeping up the aggression and simply winning the rounds on being ultra active, with ultra active i mean jose castillo style, just pressing forward and unleashing body head body, just working relentless and not going into floyd chess game, where you get outtechniced every time.

I expect a close UD win for floyd, who do you think gonne win and most importantly, in which fashion?

LOL (chasing), ha ha. How do you have a "CLOSE" UD??
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Well if one guy wins the bout by just 1 or 2 points on all 3 judges scorecards, I believe that would constitute a "close" unanimous decision.
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I believe deep down TBE fears PACMANS style his angle's his fast combination's speed and power PACMAN WINS 9TH ROUND TKO :yay:
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Mayweather by decision in a competitive fight.

That said, a rematch, which I think is most likely to happen if Manny wins, would probably be the next most lucrative fight in combat sports and I won't be surprised if Manny wins a controversial decision if it's reasonably close.
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KBB wrote:
Chepppaaa wrote:my final oppinion is, going through the fight in my mind is, a lot of chasing from manny, winning early rounds, floyd becoming more comfortable by mid fight and winning a lot of rounds.

i see it playing out, floyd saving energy in a rope a dope style of fight, manny chasing floyd as a said, but even with the left cross finding trouble to punch floyd clear, bayless breaking fast as usual and floyd doing his jab or 1+2 or his jab duck under right hook. i also expect a lot of foot on foot because of the stances of the boxers. and a lot of floyd going backwards and manny forward.

down the line, i just have trouble with manny keeping up the aggression and simply winning the rounds on being ultra active, with ultra active i mean jose castillo style, just pressing forward and unleashing body head body, just working relentless and not going into floyd chess game, where you get outtechniced every time.

I expect a close UD win for floyd, who do you think gonne win and most importantly, in which fashion?

LOL (chasing), ha ha. How do you have a "CLOSE" UD??
close ud, why?

floyd fought maidana needing a lot of pauses to relax and maidana unleashed shots on him and landed and therefore won rounds.
so, if a slow maidana can score on mayweather and make his condition work, than sure as hell can manny.

the thing is this, pac is someone who is gonne work your condition and you gonne need some pause moments, when pac is game, he chases you, he is quick and he bothers you will fast hard punches. that is the huge difference for example to marquez, who hits hard, but is nowhere as athletic or fast as manny. floyd beat him so easily, because marquez was basicly standing there and was playing floyds chess game. what i mean by that is, marquez was doing not much, besides waiting, and somtimes throwing one or 2 punches, which got countered by floyd or where punched in the air. why? cause floyd had "thinking time", that is floyds rythm, he is a thinking boxer, who loves his thinking time, with his thinking time, he can outbox you. with manny, when manny comes in tip top shape and pressures you, you dont have no thinking time. the reason why castillo or maidana almost won against floyd were, they were fighting their own rythm, not thinking time at all, just pure punching, aggressivnes, pressure, all over the place, not afraid of getting countered, just unleashing.
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Ian1973 wrote:Mayweather is too big for Pacquiao. I expect a clear cut win in what will be, I predict, a pretty disappointing fight.
This is my assessment too.

Mayweather always beats Pacquiao for me, unless he has suddenly grown very old overnight.
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Syntax Error wrote:
Ian1973 wrote:Mayweather is too big for Pacquiao. I expect a clear cut win in what will be, I predict, a pretty disappointing fight.
This is my assessment too.

Mayweather always beats Pacquiao for me, unless he has suddenly grown very old overnight.

i think more important than big or bigger is reach. floyds longer reach will play a factor.
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