Final oppion the big one!
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kidbazooka1
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Mayweather pot shots his way to boring UD with Manny just not being able to land clean.
Mark my words Floyd ain't taking any risks in this fight. This will be the most cautious Floyd we will ever see, and luckily for him he can win that way.
This will be dud of the year not fight of the year.
Mark my words Floyd ain't taking any risks in this fight. This will be the most cautious Floyd we will ever see, and luckily for him he can win that way.
This will be dud of the year not fight of the year.
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yout think he gonne be more cautions against manny, than against guerrero?kidbazooka1 wrote:Mayweather pot shots his way to boring UD with Manny just not being able to land clean.
Mark my words Floyd ain't taking any risks in this fight. This will be the most cautious Floyd we will ever see, and luckily for him he can win that way.
This will be dud of the year not fight of the year.
but, also, sure nobody lands super clean on floyd (except maidana and judah), but manny will work floyds condition, because i think when manny comes in shape he works your ass, he makes you run, he makes you being exhausted because he is all over the place with his super footspeed.
also, lets not forget, to land clean against manny isnt also so easy.
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I think this will be a candidate for the most boring and negative event in PPV boxing history. There will be very few punches thrown and even fewer landing. The only entertainment will come from the judges, as I suspect the scoring will favour Pacquiao even if he is unable to land anything. Bob Arum will run around screaming "rematch" at anyone who will listen until he loses his voice. The FBI will be asked to investigate a clear case of fraud as no fight took place and all those people who wasted their time and money on the spectacle will feel ripped off. Other than that, it should be fun while it lasts.
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david1963 wrote:I think this will be a candidate for the most boring and negative event in PPV boxing history. There will be very few punches thrown and even fewer landing. The only entertainment will come from the judges, as I suspect the scoring will favour Pacquiao even if he is unable to land anything. Bob Arum will run around screaming "rematch" at anyone who will listen until he loses his voice. The FBI will be asked to investigate a clear case of fraud as no fight took place and all those people who wasted their time and money on the spectacle will feel ripped off. Other than that, it should be fun while it lasts.
it would be a disaster for boxing. but i doubt floyd will change his style over night and canelo and oscar fight werent very entertaining from the side of floyd, oscar was doing action and trying to make in exciting and canelo couldnt land nothing and floyd cruised to a boring ud.
so, i hope that manny comes game and show us something because like floyd always says:" i dont fight for fans or excitemant, i fight for money and myself."
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The realist in my head sees this fight proceeding like most of Floyd's fights. Floyd will use the first several rounds to find a weakness and then exploit that weakness to win most of the rounds in the second half of the fight. No knockdowns. One card will be a draw or go the other way but the other two cards will rule in favor of Floyd.
But, can Floyd choose to give away those early rounds in this one? We all know that Floyd doesn't really care about the first 4 rounds. Those are fact finding rounds for him. He lost most of them to Maidana in both fights. Going back through Floyd's tougher fights (DeLahoya/Canelo/Maidana), Floyd started slow and then turned on the gas in Round 7 and sprinted to the finish line while the others wilted in what was at one point, very close fights.
This fight is different though. I don't think that Floyd can afford to give away early rounds. Manny has more skill and stamina than Canelo, Maidana and an older Oscar and won't fade late like these guys did. If Floyd chooses this strategy with Manny then this fight is a toss up 50/50 proposition IMO. It would then all come down to the championship rounds and it's nail biting time where we hinge on every single punch as a possible round winner. This would be way too risky for Floyd to go with this strategy. But he's stubborn and why change when it's worked 47 times in a row? If this fight is even on the cards after 6 rounds then Manny's odds go up considerably. Then it comes down to 18 minutes to determine a winner and anything can happen.
Or, do we see Floyd discard this strategy and fight 3 minutes of every round for the first time in his career? 47 fights in and I still don't think that we've seen the best of Floyd and that's a scary notion. So my longwinded prediction is that this is Floyd's fight to win or lose and it all depends upon which strategy he goes with. If he goes with old reliable then it's a toss up. If he goes all out every minute of every round then we might see Manny get KO'd or lose a lopsided decision. Roach bet Steven A. Smith that Manny knocks out in the 9th round though and his predictions always come true. LOL. I don't think Roach has been correct any prediction, ever.
But, can Floyd choose to give away those early rounds in this one? We all know that Floyd doesn't really care about the first 4 rounds. Those are fact finding rounds for him. He lost most of them to Maidana in both fights. Going back through Floyd's tougher fights (DeLahoya/Canelo/Maidana), Floyd started slow and then turned on the gas in Round 7 and sprinted to the finish line while the others wilted in what was at one point, very close fights.
This fight is different though. I don't think that Floyd can afford to give away early rounds. Manny has more skill and stamina than Canelo, Maidana and an older Oscar and won't fade late like these guys did. If Floyd chooses this strategy with Manny then this fight is a toss up 50/50 proposition IMO. It would then all come down to the championship rounds and it's nail biting time where we hinge on every single punch as a possible round winner. This would be way too risky for Floyd to go with this strategy. But he's stubborn and why change when it's worked 47 times in a row? If this fight is even on the cards after 6 rounds then Manny's odds go up considerably. Then it comes down to 18 minutes to determine a winner and anything can happen.
Or, do we see Floyd discard this strategy and fight 3 minutes of every round for the first time in his career? 47 fights in and I still don't think that we've seen the best of Floyd and that's a scary notion. So my longwinded prediction is that this is Floyd's fight to win or lose and it all depends upon which strategy he goes with. If he goes with old reliable then it's a toss up. If he goes all out every minute of every round then we might see Manny get KO'd or lose a lopsided decision. Roach bet Steven A. Smith that Manny knocks out in the 9th round though and his predictions always come true. LOL. I don't think Roach has been correct any prediction, ever.
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koolkc107 wrote:Bradley's skill level is a few grades below Floyd's. And he has regressed a little as indicated by his draw with Chavez.IKSRTFO wrote:koolkc107 wrote:Folks predicting Manny are doing so with their hearts, not their heads.
It is Manny who has slowed the most here.
Bradley was dead even for half a fight, and he is nowhere near as gifted as even a declined Floyd is now.
They expect Pac to KO a guy who has taken flush punches from guys weighing 165 and 170 on fight night, yet Pac couldn't finish a guy (Algieri) who had never fought a true welter before and couldn't have come in the ring any heavier than 154 or so.
Manny is in A LOT of trouble.
And it will be clear almost immediately just how bad it is going to be.
Easy fight for Floyd.
1. Bradley is probably the most conditioned boxer after Floyd and Manny.
2. Cotto also took flush punches from guys weighting 165 and 170 on fight night.
What is also clear is Tim is not the brightest guy in the ring, making a fight with Provo way closer than it should have been and
blowing his load in 6 rounds versus Pac.
Just no comparison with Floyd.
As for Cotto, he took those punches from bigger guys without being drained. No doubt he takes Manny's power a lot better if he doesn't have to drain himself. Apparently, Manny thinks so too or he would have fought him at 154 when he had the chance...like Floyd did.
Just like Floyd made his fight with Maidana closer than it had to be. Maidana isn't too much better than Provodnikov. Bradley is leagues ahead of Maidana. Just ask Alexander
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True, Manny's opposition is weaker but his trump card is Tim Bradley. I don't even think Canelo is better than Bradley skill wise or conditioned wise. And Lord knows Guerrero and Maidana are no comparision.Badhusker wrote:SenorPipino wrote:After Pacquiao's early burst of energy, probably lasting about 3 rounds, Mayweather will take over and simply potshot the oncoming, defensively deficient Filipino.
Manny's legs have been shot for several years (look at how off balance he was throughout the last Marquez bout) and you question how much of a chin he has left---matches against feather-fisted Bradley and Algieri along with bloated lightweight Rios---disguised Pacquiao's age-related weaknesses.
All-in-all it should be a fairly routine win for Mayweather once Pac wears down, and he'll win comfortably.
Of course, some judge will still score it for Pacquiao. It'll probably be the clueless guy who didn't know you could score a round 10-6 and cost Pacquiao the first fight against Marquez. He'll want to give Manny a "makeup" score for his blunder 11 years ago.
Very good description of what will probably happen. Not much has been said about Manny's opposition his last 3 fights.
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Like I said, there's no such thing as a close UD and you continually use Maidana as an example of what Manny can do to Floyd when neither of them fight anything alike and one is a SP and the other is not.Chepppaaa wrote:close ud, why?
floyd fought maidana needing a lot of pauses to relax and maidana unleashed shots on him and landed and therefore won rounds.
so, if a slow maidana can score on mayweather and make his condition work, than sure as hell can manny.
the thing is this, pac is someone who is gonne work your condition and you gonne need some pause moments, when pac is game, he chases you, he is quick and he bothers you will fast hard punches. that is the huge difference for example to marquez, who hits hard, but is nowhere as athletic or fast as manny. floyd beat him so easily, because marquez was basicly standing there and was playing floyds chess game. what i mean by that is, marquez was doing not much, besides waiting, and somtimes throwing one or 2 punches, which got countered by floyd or where punched in the air. why? cause floyd had "thinking time", that is floyds rythm, he is a thinking boxer, who loves his thinking time, with his thinking time, he can outbox you. with manny, when manny comes in tip top shape and pressures you, you dont have no thinking time. the reason why castillo or maidana almost won against floyd were, they were fighting their own rythm, not thinking time at all, just pure punching, aggressivnes, pressure, all over the place, not afraid of getting countered, just unleashing.
It's funny how you guys (Packy fans) are quick to use Maidana as an example but readily reject the notion of using JMM as a blueprint for how much easier Floyd can exercise that plan to beat Manny.
Manny won't be able to bully Floyd around like Chino did so please stop using that as an example of what you "think" he will be able to use vs Mayweather.
If anything Floyd using a better version of JMM's plan is more reasonable than believing that Manny who is much smaller and shorter will be able to do what Chino was able to do.
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Jose Luis Castillo. Couldn't be a more close UDKBB wrote:Like I said, there's no such thing as a close UD and you continually use Maidana as an example of what Manny can do to Floyd when neither of them fight anything alike and one is a SP and the other is not.Chepppaaa wrote:close ud, why?
floyd fought maidana needing a lot of pauses to relax and maidana unleashed shots on him and landed and therefore won rounds.
so, if a slow maidana can score on mayweather and make his condition work, than sure as hell can manny.
the thing is this, pac is someone who is gonne work your condition and you gonne need some pause moments, when pac is game, he chases you, he is quick and he bothers you will fast hard punches. that is the huge difference for example to marquez, who hits hard, but is nowhere as athletic or fast as manny. floyd beat him so easily, because marquez was basicly standing there and was playing floyds chess game. what i mean by that is, marquez was doing not much, besides waiting, and somtimes throwing one or 2 punches, which got countered by floyd or where punched in the air. why? cause floyd had "thinking time", that is floyds rythm, he is a thinking boxer, who loves his thinking time, with his thinking time, he can outbox you. with manny, when manny comes in tip top shape and pressures you, you dont have no thinking time. the reason why castillo or maidana almost won against floyd were, they were fighting their own rythm, not thinking time at all, just pure punching, aggressivnes, pressure, all over the place, not afraid of getting countered, just unleashing.
It's funny how you guys (Packy fans) are quick to use Maidana as an example but readily reject the notion of using JMM as a blueprint for how much easier Floyd can exercise that plan to beat Manny.
Manny won't be able to bully Floyd around like Chino did so please stop using that as an example of what you "think" he will be able to use vs Mayweather.
If anything Floyd using a better version of JMM's plan is more reasonable than believing that Manny who is much smaller and shorter will be able to do what Chino was able to do.
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LOL, that wasn't even a close UD, Floyd flat out lost that fight but was given a gift. You better find another example if you want to convince me of this BS close UD crap.IKSRTFO wrote:Jose Luis Castillo. Couldn't be a more close UD
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dempseyfire
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I rewatched Bradley-Pac II recently. Those like Fat Dan who say both fighters have slipped in equal amounts have no idea what they're talking about. Manny has slipped considerably more than Floyd. His legs are close to shot, and his volume and work-rate is a fraction of what it used to be.
Floyd by decision.
Floyd by decision.
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dempseyfire wrote:I rewatched Bradley-Pac II recently. Those like Fat Dan who say both fighters have slipped in equal amounts have no idea what they're talking about. Manny has slipped considerably more than Floyd. His legs are close to shot, and his volume and work-rate is a fraction of what it used to be.
Floyd by decision.
A slipped fighter who beat Bradley comfortably. That's like an oxymoron. Bradley is beginning to be so underrated due to his fights with Pacquiao. I think Bradley makes Maidana look stupid.
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dempseyfire
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The fight was nip and tuck early and Pac only won the latter half after Tim sprained his ankle and clearly had restricted movement. Pac got hit flush throughout the bout. most rounds were competitive. To me Manny did not look impressive in that fight. The Algieri fight was a joke . .Chris got lucky vs a Provodnikov who took his foot off the gas after the knockdowns (and still won by just a smidgen). Algieri's not a world-class fighter.IKSRTFO wrote:dempseyfire wrote:I rewatched Bradley-Pac II recently. Those like Fat Dan who say both fighters have slipped in equal amounts have no idea what they're talking about. Manny has slipped considerably more than Floyd. His legs are close to shot, and his volume and work-rate is a fraction of what it used to be.
Floyd by decision.
A slipped fighter who beat Bradley comfortably. That's like an oxymoron. Bradley is beginning to be so underrated due to his fights with Pacquiao. I think Bradley makes Maidana look stupid.
I like Bradley and he's a very good fighter, but he's not in Floyd's league.
And I would've favored the 2010 Pac over the 2010 Floyd (whose prowess has been over-rated by the media when conjuring up that hypothetical matchup. People forget Floyd lost clear rounds to Hatton and how close the Oscar fight was. Also got in much more trouble vs Shane than Manny was ever in from 2008-2010)
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what the outcome will not be:
1. floyd KO manny
his motivation to risk enough for a clean kill
is not on the level of marquez.
2. manny KO floyd
best defense in the world won't crack far enough
to allow for that to happen.
so the fight goes the distance. with the quality
of both fighters i cannot see anything but a close
decision in either man's favor. i could imagine
floyd being slightly ahead, but manny getting the
nod.
manny SD floyd
1. floyd KO manny
his motivation to risk enough for a clean kill
is not on the level of marquez.
2. manny KO floyd
best defense in the world won't crack far enough
to allow for that to happen.
so the fight goes the distance. with the quality
of both fighters i cannot see anything but a close
decision in either man's favor. i could imagine
floyd being slightly ahead, but manny getting the
nod.
manny SD floyd
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That may have been true at some point in the past, but I think we have to re-think Bradley.IKSRTFO wrote:koolkc107 wrote:Bradley's skill level is a few grades below Floyd's. And he has regressed a little as indicated by his draw with Chavez.IKSRTFO wrote:
1. Bradley is probably the most conditioned boxer after Floyd and Manny.
2. Cotto also took flush punches from guys weighting 165 and 170 on fight night.
What is also clear is Tim is not the brightest guy in the ring, making a fight with Provo way closer than it should have been and
blowing his load in 6 rounds versus Pac.
Just no comparison with Floyd.
As for Cotto, he took those punches from bigger guys without being drained. No doubt he takes Manny's power a lot better if he doesn't have to drain himself. Apparently, Manny thinks so too or he would have fought him at 154 when he had the chance...like Floyd did.
Just like Floyd made his fight with Maidana closer than it had to be. Maidana isn't too much better than Provodnikov. Bradley is leagues ahead of Maidana. Just ask Alexander
That fight with Provodnikov, the gassing out halfway thru against Pac, and that fiasco with a B-level Diego Chavez (a guy he should have dominated) says he may not be better than Marcos right now.
Granted, we do have the masterpiece against Marquez in the middle of all that, but JMM may not be what he was either.
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kidbazooka1
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Chepppaaa wrote:yout think he gonne be more cautions against manny, than against guerrero?kidbazooka1 wrote:Mayweather pot shots his way to boring UD with Manny just not being able to land clean.
Mark my words Floyd ain't taking any risks in this fight. This will be the most cautious Floyd we will ever see, and luckily for him he can win that way.
This will be dud of the year not fight of the year.
but, also, sure nobody lands super clean on floyd (except maidana and judah), but manny will work floyds condition, because i think when manny comes in shape he works your ass, he makes you run, he makes you being exhausted because he is all over the place with his super footspeed.
also, lets not forget, to land clean against manny isnt also so easy.
Yup i think he will definitely be more cautious with Manny cuz unlike Guerrero manny can hurt him in the blink of an eye and Floyd knows that.
But yea i agree Manny will make Floyd have to work more than he wants and hopefully thats when Manny will find his openings.
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kidbazooka1 wrote:Chepppaaa wrote:yout think he gonne be more cautions against manny, than against guerrero?kidbazooka1 wrote:Mayweather pot shots his way to boring UD with Manny just not being able to land clean.
Mark my words Floyd ain't taking any risks in this fight. This will be the most cautious Floyd we will ever see, and luckily for him he can win that way.
This will be dud of the year not fight of the year.
but, also, sure nobody lands super clean on floyd (except maidana and judah), but manny will work floyds condition, because i think when manny comes in shape he works your ass, he makes you run, he makes you being exhausted because he is all over the place with his super footspeed.
also, lets not forget, to land clean against manny isnt also so easy.
yo kid, i got a question. i will try to watch the fight on stream, i here shw and hbo trying to sue sites that will provide the stream, i mean, what do you think, there are so many stream sites, i mean, they cant sue the entire world.....i am just asking because, i hate it so much, that shw wont even let fans watch the fight in bad quality, just that this arrogant fuc/()er gets more $$$. what you think, will all streaming sites not show the fight or is there a chance.
Yup i think he will definitely be more cautious with Manny cuz unlike Guerrero manny can hurt him in the blink of an eye and Floyd knows that.
But yea i agree Manny will make Floyd have to work more than he wants and hopefully thats when Manny will find his openings.
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pac by a TKO in 11 or 10th 
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Ian1973 wrote:Mayweather is too big for Pacquiao. I expect a clear cut win in what will be, I predict, a pretty disappointing fight.
Ahem!
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Ian1973 wrote:Mayweather is too big for Pacquiao. I expect a clear cut win in what will be, I predict, a pretty disappointing fight.
Ahem! Before anyone claims I'm after-timing.
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Yeah you were spot on with this prediction, lolRicky_ wrote:Pacman wide and fairly comfortable UD. Floyd will look old, slow and won't get off the ropes.
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I'm picking Mayweather now, if I'm not too late.
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KBB wrote:Yeah you were spot on with this prediction, lolRicky_ wrote:Pacman wide and fairly comfortable UD. Floyd will look old, slow and won't get off the ropes.
It was more accurate tha Floyd stopping manny
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The reason why he didn't stop him because Roach finally taught him something besides using his right hand and that was he avoided jumping in with that stupid stutter step 1-2, you could tell at times he thought about it but it was clear that the KO by JMM of him was in the back of his mind so he didn't take any risks.Ricky_ wrote:It was more accurate tha Floyd stopping mannyif Floyd had a bat he'd poke him with it and run.
Where was his so called best footwork in boxing? Where was his so called "high punch output"? Where was the idiot Tyson's predictions of Floyd supposedly being hurt more in this bout than any other fight he's ever had?
All of you clowns are doing the same thing now; eating sour grapes and being sorry ass SORE LOSERS.
