What Isnt Being Said About Last Night

[koolkc107]

1) That was Floyd's easiest fight in a long time.

Maidana twice, Canelo, Guerrero, and Miguel Cotto all gave Floyd more of a run for his money.
I honestly thought Pac would be different, be more willing to get in and force exchanges, make Floyd fight.
But Manny proved to be one of Mayweather's most inept opponents in making a fight.

2) The shoulder excuse is way more than an excuse.

I had no indication anything was bothering Manny last night.
He looked like the same guy to me when he actually flurried and punched.
He said right after the final bell rang that he thought he won. Mentioned zero about any injury
He goes back to the dressing room, showers and changes, then we hear of the injury at the presser.
Sounds an awful lot like excuse making.
Sounds like a guy angling for a second payday.
And most of all, it sounds like bitter grapes.
And oh yeah, Floyd mentioned he came in with injuries as well but chose not to use them as an excuse.

3) The fight was boring because one guy did not live up to his billing.

And that guy's name is Manny Pacquiao.

The greatest offensive fighter of his era reduced to 6 connects per round?
WTF?
Don't blame Floyd.
Don't say "he ran".
Mayweather was the same guy we have been seeing for years now.
Outlanded his opponent 2 to 1, and connected on half his power shots.
Typical Floyd.
The guy that did not do what he usually does was not Floyd, it was Manny.
When has Manny ever missed 81% of everything he threw?
When has Manny had such a low punchcount?
You wan't to blame someone because you thought the fight stunk?
Be sure to blame the right guy.

4) Floyd has one or two more fights. Period.

He takes Easy Street and Cruise Control Avenue to 50-0
I doubt these next two will be any kind of challenge to him. With one exception.
He will definitely not intentionally take any fight he thinks can mar his record.
That means no stylistic challenges.
He can beat Khan, but he may avoid the hand speed.'
He can beat Canelo again, but Saul may be a better fighter now so no dice there as well.
The only way Floyd takes a challenge is if it adds to his legacy.
And that means the only tough fight Mayweather takes is Cotto, assuming Miguel is still lineal in September.

Feel free to add any observations, pro or con, to this thread.

[KBB]

1) That was Floyd's easiest fight in a long time.

Maidana twice, Canelo, Guerrero, and Miguel Cotto all gave Floyd more of a run for his money.
I honestly thought Pac would be different, be more willing to get in and force exchanges, make Floyd fight.
But Manny proved to be one of Mayweather's most inept opponents in making a fight.

2) The shoulder excuse is way more than an excuse.

I had no indication anything was bothering Manny last night.
He looked like the same guy to me when he actually flurried and punched.
He said right after the final bell rang that he thought he won. Mentioned zero about any injury
He goes back to the dressing room, showers and changes, then we hear of the injury at the presser.
Sounds an awful lot like excuse making.
Sounds like a guy angling for a second payday.
And most of all, it sounds like bitter grapes.
And oh yeah, Floyd mentioned he came in with injuries as well but chose not to use them as an excuse.

3) The fight was boring because one guy did not live up to his billing.

And that guy's name is Manny Pacquiao.

The greatest offensive fighter of his era reduced to 6 connects per round?
WTF?
Don't blame Floyd.
Don't say "he ran".
Mayweather was the same guy we have been seeing for years now.
Outlanded his opponent 2 to 1, and connected on half his power shots.
Typical Floyd.
The guy that did not do what he usually does was not Floyd, it was Manny.
When has Manny ever missed 81% of everything he threw?
When has Manny had such a low punchcount?
You wan't to blame someone because you thought the fight stunk?
Be sure to blame the right guy.

4) Floyd has one or two more fights. Period.

He takes Easy Street and Cruise Control Avenue to 50-0
I doubt these next two will be any kind of challenge to him. With one exception.
He will definitely not intentionally take any fight he thinks can mar his record.
That means no stylistic challenges.
He can beat Khan, but he may avoid the hand speed.'
He can beat Canelo again, but Saul may be a better fighter now so no dice there as well.
The only way Floyd takes a challenge is if it adds to his legacy.
And that means the only tough fight Mayweather takes is Cotto, assuming Miguel is still lineal in September.

Feel free to add any observations, pro or con, to this thread.

This was an easy, easy win for Floyd, it was one of his easiest of all his bouts. I knew from before this was ever announced that Floyd was going to beat him no matter what.

Manny didn't have anything and you can clearly see that the one thing that Roach taught him in training camp was what saved him from getting KO'd and that is he made sure that Packy didn't do that stupid stutter step 1-2 front to back and then come rushing in.

Floyd was trying to time him for the check hook KO but MP abandoned his rushing in.

[JeanClaude Van Damme]

Compubox is dumb.

Otherwise tl;dr

[koolkc107]

1) That was Floyd's easiest fight in a long time.

Maidana twice, Canelo, Guerrero, and Miguel Cotto all gave Floyd more of a run for his money.
I honestly thought Pac would be different, be more willing to get in and force exchanges, make Floyd fight.
But Manny proved to be one of Mayweather's most inept opponents in making a fight.

2) The shoulder excuse is way more than an excuse.

I had no indication anything was bothering Manny last night.
He looked like the same guy to me when he actually flurried and punched.
He said right after the final bell rang that he thought he won. Mentioned zero about any injury
He goes back to the dressing room, showers and changes, then we hear of the injury at the presser.
Sounds an awful lot like excuse making.
Sounds like a guy angling for a second payday.
And most of all, it sounds like bitter grapes.
And oh yeah, Floyd mentioned he came in with injuries as well but chose not to use them as an excuse.

3) The fight was boring because one guy did not live up to his billing.

And that guy's name is Manny Pacquiao.

The greatest offensive fighter of his era reduced to 6 connects per round?
WTF?
Don't blame Floyd.
Don't say "he ran".
Mayweather was the same guy we have been seeing for years now.
Outlanded his opponent 2 to 1, and connected on half his power shots.
Typical Floyd.
The guy that did not do what he usually does was not Floyd, it was Manny.
When has Manny ever missed 81% of everything he threw?
When has Manny had such a low punchcount?
You wan't to blame someone because you thought the fight stunk?
Be sure to blame the right guy.

4) Floyd has one or two more fights. Period.

He takes Easy Street and Cruise Control Avenue to 50-0
I doubt these next two will be any kind of challenge to him. With one exception.
He will definitely not intentionally take any fight he thinks can mar his record.
That means no stylistic challenges.
He can beat Khan, but he may avoid the hand speed.'
He can beat Canelo again, but Saul may be a better fighter now so no dice there as well.
The only way Floyd takes a challenge is if it adds to his legacy.
And that means the only tough fight Mayweather takes is Cotto, assuming Miguel is still lineal in September.

Feel free to add any observations, pro or con, to this thread.

This was an easy, easy win for Floyd, it was one of his easiest of all his bouts. I knew from before this was ever announced that Floyd was going to beat him no matter what.

Manny didn't have anything and you can clearly see that the one thing that Roach taught him in training camp was what saved him from getting KO'd and that is he made sure that Packy didn't do that stupid stutter step 1-2 front to back and then come rushing in.

Floyd was trying to time him for the check hook KO but MP abandoned his rushing in.

I predicted a KO not just because of Floyd but also because of Pac.

I expected to see relentless aggressiveness, with plenty of chance for Floyd to run Pac into sandman special.

We just didn't see that from Manny.

And yeah, he certainly wasn't doing that shuffle step...

...looked like he started to almost do it a couple of time then would remember not to.

[ikorolev]

I predicted a KO not just because of Floyd but also because of Pac.

I expected to see relentless aggressiveness, with plenty of chance for Floyd to run Pac into sandman special.

We just didn't see that from Manny.

And yeah, he certainly wasn't doing that shuffle step...

...looked like he started to almost do it a couple of time then would remember not to.

I agree. Floyd fought as usual, but Manny disappomted. Will throw some sh1t I posted in another thread:

There was nothing super in that fight except the amount of money involved. Both fighters, especially Manny were absolutely unimpressive. If Manny seriously thought that he was winning, he is an idiot. Otherwise, he is a coward who didn't want to take a risk in the biggest fight of his career unless the result was agreed before the fight.

[koolkc107]

I predicted a KO not just because of Floyd but also because of Pac.

I expected to see relentless aggressiveness, with plenty of chance for Floyd to run Pac into sandman special.

We just didn't see that from Manny.

And yeah, he certainly wasn't doing that shuffle step...

...looked like he started to almost do it a couple of time then would remember not to.

I agree. Floyd fought as usual, but Manny disappomted. Will throw some sh1t I posted in another thread:

There was nothing super in that fight except the amount of money involved. Both fighters, especially Manny were absolutely unimpressive. If Manny seriously thought that he was winning, he is an idiot. Otherwise, he is a coward who didn't want to take a risk in the biggest fight of his career unless the result was agreed before the fight.

Exactly. Manny was so useless it almost did looked fixed (it wasn't).

When the Giants beat the Patriots, the story wasn't how my beloved G-Men were scared to throw it 40 times.

It was about how New England was unable to execute it's offense (a history making offense) against a great D.

No one said "Gee, that was boring because the Giants didn't take more chances"

Instead, Big Blue was praised- and rightly so- for shutting down an offensive juggernaut.

Well, that is what Floyd did last night.

He made perhaps the greatest offensive fighter of our generation look mighty ordinary.

[benion]

I noticed Floyd stood there when Manny feinted. Manny works off the feint and Floyd didn't bite. That was the biggest surprise to me.

[ikorolev]

I noticed Floyd stood there when Manny feinted. Manny works off the feint and Floyd didn't bite. That was the biggest surprise to me.

Another big surprise was Floyd's unusual friendliness during the fight.

[HomicideHenry]

For all the people who feel disappointed in last night's fight... THIS is what the pinnacle of true boxing prowess looks like... This was two men whose hearts, talents, abilities were not in question and came strictly down to MENTALITY...

This is a sport where it is NOT muscle, strength, power, and aggression that wins fights, when we are at this sort of level of greatness... it all comes down to INTELLECT, and ADAPTABILITY.

Floyd Mayweather was five, ten, twenty steps ahead of Pacquiao and showed that Pacman had no plan B. For those out there who don't appreciate or care for textbook boxing, scientific system that it is, then yes you wasted your time in buying the PPV. Because that is the system that Mayweather operates, and has proven to be the best boxer (not slugger) of the 2000's.

‪Boxing:‬ the art of NOT getting hit, and being able to hit your opponent at will.

The amazing part to me, cus I scored the contest 9-3 (imho) in favor of Floyd, is just how ordinary he made Manny look. And what made me angry, as a fan of this sport, was after the fact Bob Arum, Freddie and Manny did that press conference and made the claim that Manny was "damaged goods" to begin with cus of an injured shoulder, etc. but I was happy to see Mayweather state the obvious "I had injuries coming into this fight too, I made no excuses. Why can't you accept you lost?"... but in all fairness to Manny, he did say BEFORE Bob said that cock-and-bull story about the shoulder "I did my best, and my best wasn't good enough."

[crow]

I noticed Floyd stood there when Manny feinted. Manny works off the feint and Floyd didn't bite.

Not in the fight i watched; Floyd did bite plenty.

And Floyd never managed a solid hit on his adversary, all night long.

A first for Floyd.

Pac didn't look to have been in a fight at the end.

[HomicideHenry]

I noticed Floyd stood there when Manny feinted. Manny works off the feint and Floyd didn't bite.

Not in the fight i watched; Floyd did bite plenty.

And Floyd never managed a solid hit on his adversary, all night long.

A first for Floyd.

Pac didn't look to have been in a fight at the end.

Guess you saw a different fight than I did, cus Manny ate alot of jabs and straight rights and check hooks.

[crow]

Guess you saw a different fight than I did, cus Manny ate alot of jabs and straight rights and check hooks.

Strictly scoring blows, not flush, heavy ones, that we're accustomed to see Floyd land in all his fights, after he has figured his oponnent out and if walking them down.

All heavy shots were Pac's.

Even the counter left in the fourth didn't land flush yet gave Floyd jelly legs.

[HomicideHenry]

It doesnt matter if Manny managed to land ONE good punch... it wasnt enough... and it never will be enough to beat a guy like Floyd. Mosley, at least, can say he dropped Mayweather. Manny's ring IQ was so low in this fight, it just shows that he is rather one-dimensional. He had no back up plan. The only way to really beat Mayweather is to be able to adapt to every situation there is, at every moment, or to out score him (and Maidana came the closest). I know people are upset, and there was alot of broken hearts last night--- but let's face the facts, even if this fight happened five years ago, there would of been no difference. Last night made that completely obvious.

[crow]

but let's face the facts, even if this fight happened five years ago, there would of been no difference. Last night made that completely obvious.

U would have to be blind not to see Floyd's discomfort the few times Manny jumped on him.

No check hook. No rolling shoulder.
Just covering up and retreat, without ever managing to make Pac pay.

A younger Pac would have dropped May and won a close decision.

[HomicideHenry]

You're delusional you can't hit what isn't there to be caught ffs

[crow]

You're delusional you can't hit what isn't there to be caught ffs

Yes, unlike Marquez, Floyd doesn't stay in the pocket and try to make you pay.

But you're the delusional one if you believe Floyd could have won a decision vs a hard charging, younger Pac.

Those rounds go to Manny, my friend.

[HomicideHenry]

You're delusional you can't hit what isn't there to be caught ffs

Yes, unlike Marquez, Floyd doesn't stay in the pocket and try to make you pay.

But you're the delusional one if you believe Floyd could have won a decision vs a hard charging, younger Pac.

Those rounds go to Manny, my friend.

Manny could of been twice as fast as he was last night, and I still dont think he would of done enough to got a decision.

Besides all this "woulda, coulda, shoulda" talk doesnt mean anything. Facts are facts, Manny got outsmarted by the greatest hustler in the game. Plain and simple.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

Commentater's sounded like they were appointed by team Mayweather...........almost allways acknowledge Floyd scoring punche's
but ignored a lot of mannys scoring shot's.

[jezzamundo]

Pacquiao's performance was disappointing and Mayweather did just enough to win. I thought this fight was closer than Maidana II, closer than Cotto and much closer than Guerrero and Alvarez. I think the 8-4 scorecards were reasonable, but there were a lot of swing rounds in this fight.

[benion]

Commentater's sounded like they were appointed by team Mayweather...........almost allways acknowledge Floyd scoring punche's
but ignored a lot of mannys scoring shot's.

There were only 81 of those. Floyd landed 81 power punches alone....

[benion]

You're delusional you can't hit what isn't there to be caught ffs

Yes, unlike Marquez, Floyd doesn't stay in the pocket and try to make you pay.

But you're the delusional one if you believe Floyd could have won a decision vs a hard charging, younger Pac.

Those rounds go to Manny, my friend.

Manny could of been twice as fast as he was last night, and I still dont think he would of done enough to got a decision.

Besides all this "woulda, coulda, shoulda" talk doesnt mean anything. Facts are facts, Manny got outsmarted by the greatest hustler in the game. Plain and simple.

The fight was closer yesterday than it would have been five years ago. People act as if five years ago Manny was bigger, had a longer reach, could cut off a ring. Five years ago a more aggressive Manny would've lunged into one of those straight rights and got KTFO.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

Commentater's sounded like they were appointed by team Mayweather...........almost allways acknowledge Floyd scoring punche's
but ignored a lot of mannys scoring shot's.

There were only 81 of those. Floyd landed 81 power punches alone....

very intelligent

[KBB]

Manny was too scared of being countered and did absolutely nothing at many points in this fight, it got to a point where I was screaming for Pacquiao to attack, I had a house full of Manny supporters and they were so stunned by the utter one-sidedness of this fight that they were so quiet that we could hear a fly fart.

Where was the attack from Manny?

[ClivePatrickLyons]

Anyone that believes those punch stats believe's in santa claus

[crow]

Yes, Marquez was right: it's nearly impossible to beat Floyd by decision in Las Vegas.