Manny held his own

[crow]

I'm amazed to read how Floyd supposedly put on a masterclass and bested Manny.

The reality is the only few clear rounds won were Manny's; all the rest were close and could have gone either way.

Floyd was the one visibly hurt; Manny never was.

Floyd was the one clinching and running and retreating to the ropes.

He never walked down Manny like he did vs all his oponnents.

He never landed the flush shots we're accustomed seeing.

Mosley, Holyfield said Manny won.

How's that a masterclass ?

[kidbazooka1]

I thought floyd won but by no means was it a "master performance".

I really don't know why some ppl are blinded by floyds style of boxing its disgusting that ppl can have praise for it.

[jezzamundo]

Good post - the fight was far more competitive than many people are making it out to be. I thought Manny won 2 rounds clearly, Floyd won 4 rounds clearly and the other 6 rounds could have gone either way.

Castillo beat Mayweather far more convincingly than Mayweather beat Manny.

[Ian1973]

Good post - the fight was far more competitive than many people are making it out to be. I thought Manny won 2 rounds clearly, Floyd won 4 rounds clearly and the other 6 rounds could have gone either way.

Castillo beat Mayweather far more convincingly than Mayweather beat Manny.

I'd say about the same personally. I thought Floyd clearly won the fight against Manny by about three points and Castillo beat Floyd by 2-3 points.

[jezzamundo]

Fair enough, everyone scores differently. I had Castillo beating Floyd by 4 points, I had Floyd beating Manny by 2 points. I guess 'far more' is an exaggeration, but to me, that was a clear win and a robbery, whereas Floyd just barely did enough to get the win in this fight and I wouldn't argue with anyone who scored it a draw or close for Manny.

[Floatlikeabutterfly]

Is your heart ruling your head? Floyd won clearly for me, manny not busy enough and Floyd landed the cleaner shots and boxed smart.
Think some poeple thought it would be fight of the century and are now dissapointed, Mayweather was never going to go gung-ho, he done what he had to do and for me he won at least 8 of the rounds, not even close, although I do know the scoring of rounds are subjective, and people see different things

[jezzamundo]

Is your heart ruling your head? Floyd won clearly for me, manny not busy enough and Floyd landed the cleaner shots and boxed smart.
Think some poeple thought it would be fight of the century and are now dissapointed, Mayweather was never going to go gung-ho, he done what he had to do and for me he won at least 8 of the rounds, not even close, although I do know the scoring of rounds are subjective, and people see different things

Perhaps a little. I wouldn't be surprised it upon a second viewing of the fight - which wasn't as bad as many are making it out to be - that I'll see it wider for Mayweather. I have to admit I was surprised the compubox stats were so one-sided. I was very impressed by Floyd's schooling of Canelo, but I thought he did barely enough to beat Manny.

[SNG]

He never walked down Manny like he did vs all his oponnents.
?

What?

[MachoTime]

It was the same Mayweather fight all over again. Quite simply the Mayweather opponents can't seem to catch up to him. Pacquiao was no different. I had it 8-4 Mayweather.

[Crease]

It was the same Mayweather fight all over again. Quite simply the Mayweather opponents can't seem to catch up to him. Pacquiao was no different. I had it 8-4 Mayweather.

I had it 8-4 to Mayweather as well. But in my view, Mayweather's fights are becoming more and more like running away matches, rather than boxing fights. Floyd must have reversed about 40 times (2/3/4 times per round) on Saturday night...

And the question has to be asked: Is this and should this be enough to win a boxing match?

[dempseyfire]

It was the same Mayweather fight all over again. Quite simply the Mayweather opponents can't seem to catch up to him. Pacquiao was no different. I had it 8-4 Mayweather.

I had it 8-4 to Mayweather as well. But in my view, Mayweather's fights are becoming more and more like running away matches, rather than boxing fights. Floyd must have reversed about 40 times (2/3/4 times per round) on Saturday night...

And the question has to be asked: Is this and should this be enough to win a boxing match?

Yes, and I hate Floyd.

Blame Manny for plodding forward so much of the fight in a straight line, right in front of Floyd's wheelhouse.

A skilled counterpuncher will eat someone up plodding forward on flat feet in a straight line all night. Pac at times showed flashes of his old self when he got on his toes and switched angles (and that's when he landed punches) but they were few and far between.

[crow]

It was the same Mayweather fight all over again.

The hell it was.

Manny 's defense was just as good as Floyd's (minus the holding and running).

I saw Floyd throw powerpunches that he usually never misses against other opponents that were hitting only air.

Floyd landed SCORING punches, as opposed to the POWERPUNCHES we're accustomed to.

That was no usual Mayweather fight.

[Crease]

Yes,

Just to confirm, you are telling us - running away is enough to win a boxing fight! - so much for the screen name that you have chosen for yourself. I highly doubt that he would agree with you.

And

Blame Manny for plodding forward so much of the fight in a straight line, right in front of Floyd's wheelhouse.

A skilled counterpuncher will eat someone up plodding forward on flat feet in a straight line all night.

Manny was the only one making it a fight. Apart from the first couple of rounds, Mayweather struck me as afraid to engage with Manny and he basically did nothing to improve the fight as a spectacle.

[dempseyfire]

Yes,

Just to confirm, you are telling us - running away is enough to win a boxing fight! - so much for the screen name that you have chosen for yourself. I highly doubt that he would agree with you.

And

Blame Manny for plodding forward so much of the fight in a straight line, right in front of Floyd's wheelhouse.

A skilled counterpuncher will eat someone up plodding forward on flat feet in a straight line all night.

Manny was the only one making it a fight. Apart from the first couple of rounds, Mayweather struck me as afraid to engage with Manny and he basically did nothing to improve the fight as a spectacle.

He landed more punches than the other guy did and that wins a boxing match. If he was running so much as you say he wouldn't have landed anything. In boxing whenever you throw a punch, even a jab, you are putting yourself at risk of a counter. Floyd stayed busier than Manny did. If a fighter has good movement, it's up to his opponent to cut the ring off. That's what Dempsey did, that's what Armstrong did, that's what Frazier did.

Manny on the other hand Saturday night fought stupidly and that's why he deservedly lost.

[CheckHook]

Manny did better than I expected to be honest. I knew he wouldn't have the work rate everyone wanted him to have. There were way too many Manny fans/ hopefuls who were looking at Manny like it was still 2010. I actually expected him to get busted up by counters and lead right hands way more than he did. It obviously wasn't a master class or overly dominant performance, but we live in an age of hyperbole and Floyd is this era's candidate for 'greatness' so commentators and 'fans' alike want to nail their colours to the mast. Floyd did what he needed to do to win the fight and certainly deserved the decision though, so hopefully now the boxing world can move on and look forward to the future and some exciting 147lb'rs making their push for the top.

[koolkc107]

I'm amazed to read how Floyd supposedly put on a masterclass and bested Manny.

The reality is the only few clear rounds won were Manny's; all the rest were close and could have gone either way.

Floyd was the one visibly hurt; Manny never was.

Floyd was the one clinching and running and retreating to the ropes.

He never walked down Manny like he did vs all his oponnents.

He never landed the flush shots we're accustomed seeing.

Mosley, Holyfield said Manny won.

How's that a masterclass ?

It was Floyd's easiest fight in years.

I have no idea what fight you were watching.

And as for Floyd being hurt, I think it was a hard punch.

Floyd did cover up so it definitely got his attention.

But hurt?

No.

Mosley hurt him.

And Pac's punch did not remotely resemble that.

What is your definition of masterclass?

Try this one: the greatest offensive fighter of a generation made to look like ordinary

[Crease]

He landed more punches than the other guy did and that wins a boxing match.

That statistic doesn't count for as much as you think. Didn't Ali landed more punches than Frazier in their first fight? And still lost

If he was running so much as you say he wouldn't have landed anything.

Ali & Patterson were the masters of running - and they landed a load of punches in their fights... You are arguing the case of a flawed logic.

[crow]

It was Floyd's easiest fight in years.
the greatest offensive fighter of a generation made to look like ordinary

Floyd was the one outweighing by a very big margin his oponnent.
Floyd was the one enjoying a huge reach advantage.

It was Floyd who still used the clinch and the running, and refused to make the fight.

The greatest offensive fighter of a generation had the greatest defensive fighter of a generatiuon fight like a coward and running for the hills, under the booeing of millions of decepointed fans.

Some victory.

[jezzamundo]

Manny did better than I expected to be honest. I knew he wouldn't have the work rate everyone wanted him to have. There were way too many Manny fans/ hopefuls who were looking at Manny like it was still 2010. I actually expected him to get busted up by counters and lead right hands way more than he did. It obviously wasn't a master class or overly dominant performance, but we live in an age of hyperbole and Floyd is this era's candidate for 'greatness' so commentators and 'fans' alike want to nail their colours to the mast. Floyd did what he needed to do to win the fight and certainly deserved the decision though, so hopefully now the boxing world can move on and look forward to the future and some exciting 147lb'rs making their push for the top.

Excellent post

I'm amazed to read how Floyd supposedly put on a masterclass and bested Manny.

The reality is the only few clear rounds won were Manny's; all the rest were close and could have gone either way.

Floyd was the one visibly hurt; Manny never was.

Floyd was the one clinching and running and retreating to the ropes.

He never walked down Manny like he did vs all his oponnents.

He never landed the flush shots we're accustomed seeing.

Mosley, Holyfield said Manny won.

How's that a masterclass ?

It was Floyd's easiest fight in years.

I have no idea what fight you were watching.

And as for Floyd being hurt, I think it was a hard punch.

Floyd did cover up so it definitely got his attention.

But hurt?

No.

Mosley hurt him.

And Pac's punch did not remotely resemble that.

What is your definition of masterclass?

Try this one: the greatest offensive fighter of a generation made to look like ordinary

Floyd nuthugger post. To say it was Floyd's easiest fight is years is ridiculous - this fight was FAR more competitive than Floyd-Canelo and Floyd-Guerrero. I also think it was more competitive that Floyd Cotto and Floyd-Maidana II, but those are debatable. I agree that he was never as hurt against Pac as he was against Mosley. Manny's performance was unimpressive, but Mayweather's was far from a masterclass (I would describe Floyd-Canelo and Guerrero as masterclass performances, but not this fight by a long way). Floyd's defense was as good as ever, but his offense was a couple of steps down from his usual high standards - which I think was mostly due to the threat he perceived Manny to be.

Floyd landed:
176 punches at 26% against Cotto
195 punches at 41% against Guerrero
232 punches at 46% against Canelo
230 punches at 54% against Maidana
166 punches at 51% against Maidana II

148 punches at 34% against Pacquiao

I agree Manny looked ordinary and that was largely Floyd's doing, but we're talking about a 4 years past his prime Pacquiao - a decent scalp but not the career defining great win it would have been four years ago. Floyd looked better, but neither looked great.

[dempseyfire]

He landed more punches than the other guy did and that wins a boxing match.

That statistic doesn't count for as much as you think. Didn't Ali landed more punches than Frazier in their first fight? And still lost

If he was running so much as you say he wouldn't have landed anything.

Ali & Patterson were the masters of running - and they landed a load of punches in their fights... You are arguing the case of a flawed logic.

Patterson was a runner?

Movement is not "running" . . .running is lateral movement with no or minimal offense. I suppose you are one of those ridiculous folks who think Ali got like 10 gift decisions or something . . .
And Floyd was not on his bike for like 95% of the fight.

[koolkc107]

Manny did better than I expected to be honest. I knew he wouldn't have the work rate everyone wanted him to have. There were way too many Manny fans/ hopefuls who were looking at Manny like it was still 2010. I actually expected him to get busted up by counters and lead right hands way more than he did. It obviously wasn't a master class or overly dominant performance, but we live in an age of hyperbole and Floyd is this era's candidate for 'greatness' so commentators and 'fans' alike want to nail their colours to the mast. Floyd did what he needed to do to win the fight and certainly deserved the decision though, so hopefully now the boxing world can move on and look forward to the future and some exciting 147lb'rs making their push for the top.

Excellent post

I'm amazed to read how Floyd supposedly put on a masterclass and bested Manny.

The reality is the only few clear rounds won were Manny's; all the rest were close and could have gone either way.

Floyd was the one visibly hurt; Manny never was.

Floyd was the one clinching and running and retreating to the ropes.

He never walked down Manny like he did vs all his oponnents.

He never landed the flush shots we're accustomed seeing.

Mosley, Holyfield said Manny won.

How's that a masterclass ?

It was Floyd's easiest fight in years.

I have no idea what fight you were watching.

And as for Floyd being hurt, I think it was a hard punch.

Floyd did cover up so it definitely got his attention.

But hurt?

No.

Mosley hurt him.

And Pac's punch did not remotely resemble that.

What is your definition of masterclass?

Try this one: the greatest offensive fighter of a generation made to look like ordinary

Floyd nuthugger post. To say it was Floyd's easiest fight is years is ridiculous - this fight was FAR more competitive than Floyd-Canelo and Floyd-Guerrero. I also think it was more competitive that Floyd Cotto and Floyd-Maidana II, but those are debatable. I agree that he was never as hurt against Pac as he was against Mosley. Manny's performance was unimpressive, but Mayweather's was far from a masterclass (I would describe Floyd-Canelo and Guerrero as masterclass performances, but not this fight by a long way). Floyd's defense was as good as ever, but his offense was a couple of steps down from his usual high standards - which I think was mostly due to the threat he perceived Manny to be.

Floyd landed:
176 punches at 26% against Cotto
195 punches at 41% against Guerrero
232 punches at 46% against Canelo
230 punches at 54% against Maidana
166 punches at 51% against Maidana II

148 punches at 34% against Pacquiao

I agree Manny looked ordinary and that was largely Floyd's doing, but we're talking about a 4 years past his prime Pacquiao - a decent scalp but not the career defining great win it would have been four years ago. Floyd looked better, but neither looked great.

Nuthugger? Ridiculous?
This is what happens when you so blindly root for a guy that say stuff that has no basis in fact.

IT WAS FLOYD'S EASIEST FIGHT IN YEARS.

This is what the opponents in question did.

Cotto landed 105 punches at 21%
Guerrero landed 113 punches at 19%
Canelo landed 117 punches at 22%
Maidana I landed 221 punches at 26%
Maidana II landed 128 punches at 22%

And of course we know what Manny did
81 punches landed at 19%

To a man, they all did better than Manny when it came to hitting Floyd.
So, tell me how Manny was more competitive.

You can shut up now anytime...

[jezzamundo]

I apologise for the nuthugger comment.
I did want Pac to win but wouldn't call myself a fan. Floyd did just enough to win - it wasn't a dominant performance like his wins over Canelo and Guerrero were.

[KBB]

Nuthugger? Ridiculous?
This is what happens when you so blindly root for a guy that say stuff that has no basis in fact.

IT WAS FLOYD'S EASIEST FIGHT IN YEARS.

This is what the opponents in question did.

Cotto landed 105 punches at 21%
Guerrero landed 113 punches at 19%
Canelo landed 117 punches at 22%
Maidana I landed 221 punches at 26%
Maidana II landed 128 punches at 22%

And of course we know what Manny did
81 punches landed at 19%

To a man, they all did better than Manny when it came to hitting Floyd.
So, tell me how Manny was more competitive.

You can shut up now anytime...

And he mentioned that Manny was out of his prime but failed miserably to mention that not only is Floyd out of his also but he is older as well.

[koolkc107]

I apologise for the nuthugger comment.
I did want Pac to win but wouldn't call myself a fan. Floyd did just enough to win - it wasn't a dominant performance like his wins over Canelo and Guerrero were.

And I apologise for telling you to shut up.

Believe me, we are not too far off the same page.

I am a boxing fan first and foremost and I thought Manny would push Floyd like no other.

He didn't.

So now, instead of us talking about a great fight and how both men (winner and loser) deserve all we have thought of them, we are left with what?

Wondering if either deserved the legacy we gave them previously?

I think they do, but Saturday should have been better.

And I blame Manny for that. He is the offensive guy.

He should have pressed the fight.

[koolkc107]

Nuthugger? Ridiculous?
This is what happens when you so blindly root for a guy that say stuff that has no basis in fact.

IT WAS FLOYD'S EASIEST FIGHT IN YEARS.

This is what the opponents in question did.

Cotto landed 105 punches at 21%
Guerrero landed 113 punches at 19%
Canelo landed 117 punches at 22%
Maidana I landed 221 punches at 26%
Maidana II landed 128 punches at 22%

And of course we know what Manny did
81 punches landed at 19%

To a man, they all did better than Manny when it came to hitting Floyd.
So, tell me how Manny was more competitive.

You can shut up now anytime...

And he mentioned that Manny was out of his prime but failed miserably to mention that not only is Floyd out of his also but he is older as well.

No one talks about how old Floyd is,

The one thing Mayweather has right about his claim of TBE is that he has done it longer than the guys he is supposed to be greater than.