Manny held his own

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Sour grapes are sour.

Manny did indeed hold his own, as in he didn't get embarrassed. But he did get bested, and clearly so.
When you sign on to fight Floyd, you have to be expecting Floyd to fight like Floyd fights.
No one says beforehand, "if he stands in front of me and fights toe to toe, I'll beat him". They simply say they're going to kick his ass.
Before the fight, Freddie said Floyd's legs were gone and he wouldn't be able to avoid Manny over 12, and that they had the perfect plan to catch him. Apparently, that plan did not include jabbing and cutting off the ring, though.
Now, after the fight, they say Floyd wouldn't stand and fight.
:lol:

And to call Floyd's boxing style/gameplans "running" after he boxes one's ears off, is simply frustration that his opponent couldn't find him and got beat while trying to find him and trap him to force exchanges.
A couple examples of actual "running" is Smoke Gainer Vs Marquez, or Oscar Vs Tito in those final rounds. All movement, no offense.
Floyd simply controlled the pace, position and distance and for the most part, stayed off the ropes. While outlanding Pac, I must add.
Manny provided himself no angles for his offense, and his foot placement was pedestrian at best.

Oh, and Manny's shoulder was hurt. That's unfortunate since the fight may have been different if he was healthy, but some of those lightning fast shots at air- The ones that threw him off balance and looked sloppy- didn't seem to be lacking any of his normal heat.

The fact is, Cotto and Maidana both executed individual gameplans against Floyd's style that far exceeded what Pac put forth.

The level of universal love for Pac, and hatred for Floyd, along with the nature of boxing- The subjectivity aspect of it- You know, how we can all watch the same fight and see different sh*t, absolutely guaranteed that no matter who won or lost, the grapes would be extra sour.

Truth is, beating Manny clearly, which Floyd did, didn't and never could make anyone love or respect him better. Opposite actually.
Now the hatred and vitriol is on an even higher level. It's kind of funny to see Floyd trying to reverse the public opinion he built for himself.
The black hat and highly dislikable personality has made him the highest paid athlete ever in the history of the world, but he's realizing that he might actually want people to like him at this stage of life.
Too late, Floyd.
:lol:

I'm SO ready for both of these cats to be finished in boxing, so I for one am glad that's out of the way and soon they'll both only be mentioned occasionally in "boxers of the past" type of discussions. And I bet those will be just as biased and unreasonable.
:TU:

If you fight Floyd, the onus of making the fight exciting is on you. And if you pay money to see a Floyd fight, and you get upset because he didn't stand still and fight, maybe you should have someone else manage your spending habits.
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uptconnect wrote:Sour grapes are sour.

Manny did indeed hold his own, as in he didn't get embarrassed. But he did get bested, and clearly so.
When you sign on to fight Floyd, you have to be expecting Floyd to fight like Floyd fights.
No one says beforehand, "if he stands in front of me and fights toe to toe, I'll beat him". They simply say they're going to kick his ass.
Before the fight, Freddie said Floyd's legs were gone and he wouldn't be able to avoid Manny over 12, and that they had the perfect plan to catch him. Apparently, that plan did not include jabbing and cutting off the ring, though.
Now, after the fight, they say Floyd wouldn't stand and fight.
:lol:

And to call Floyd's boxing style/gameplans "running" after he boxes one's ears off, is simply frustration that his opponent couldn't find him and got beat while trying to find him and trap him to force exchanges.
A couple examples of actual "running" is Smoke Gainer Vs Marquez, or Oscar Vs Tito in those final rounds. All movement, no offense.
Floyd simply controlled the pace, position and distance and for the most part, stayed off the ropes. While outlanding Pac, I must add.
Manny provided himself no angles for his offense, and his foot placement was pedestrian at best.

Oh, and Manny's shoulder was hurt. That's unfortunate since the fight may have been different if he was healthy, but some of those lighting fast shots at air- The ones that threw him off balance and looked sloppy- didn't seem to be lacking any of his normal heat.

The fact is, Cotto and Maidana both executed individual gameplans against Floyd's style that far exceeded what Pac put forth.

The level of universal love for Pac, and hatred for Floyd, along with the nature of boxing- The subjectivity aspect of it- You know, how we can all watch the same fight and see different sh*t, absolutely guaranteed that no matter who won or lost, the grapes would be extra sour.

Truth is, beating Manny clearly, which Floyd did, didn't and never could make anyone love or respect him better. Opposite actually.
Now the hatred and vitriol is on an even higher level. It's kind of funny to see Floyd trying to reverse the public opinion he built for himself.
The black hat and highly dislikable personality has made him the highest paid athlete ever in the history of the world, but he's realizing that he might actually want people to like him at this stage of life.
Too late, Floyd.
:lol:

I'm SO ready for both of these cats to be finished in boxing, so I for one am glad that's out of the way and soon they'll both only be mentioned occasionally in "boxers of the past" type of discussions. And I bet those will be just as biased and unreasonable.
:TU:

If you fight Floyd, the onus of making the fight exciting is on you. And if you pay money to see a Floyd fight, and you get upset because he didn't stand still and fight, maybe you should have someone else manage your spending habits.

I agree with everything except the shoulder thing, otherwise this is an awesome post!! I wish more Manny's fans could be so objective as this.
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Manny didn't take risks. He was clearly losing, so he had a choice of either taking more risks trying to drop Floyd or agree with his loss. He selected latter.
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KBB wrote:
I agree with everything except the shoulder thing, otherwise this is an awesome post!! I wish more Manny's fans could be so objective as this.
Regarding Manny and Floyd, its the multitude of fans' ultra extreme lack of objectivity that's got me ready for them both to be long gone.
Then maybe the high number of trolls and fringe fanboys will "fade into Bolivian", to quote Mike.
I know the Boxrec forum will be better off for it.
:TU:
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dempseyfire wrote:I suppose you are one of those ridiculous folks who think Ali got like 10 gift decisions or something . . .
Maybe not ten... But I would say that his 1963 fight against Doug Jones was a bit iffy.
:lol:
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I had it 115-113 to Floyd but people think would think I'm a casual fan with that score, but I thought that Manny made Floyd miss a fair bit as well, and blocked a lot of shots. No doubt that Floyd won but wasn't a masterful performance offensively in my opinion, only defensively.
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crow wrote:I'm amazed to read how Floyd supposedly put on a masterclass and bested Manny.

The reality is the only few clear rounds won were Manny's; all the rest were close and could have gone either way.

Floyd was the one visibly hurt; Manny never was.

Floyd was the one clinching and running and retreating to the ropes.

He never walked down Manny like he did vs all his oponnents.

He never landed the flush shots we're accustomed seeing.

Mosley, Holyfield said Manny won.

How's that a masterclass ?
#1. Floyd did put on a masterclass performance. Outclassed Manny. Manny was still "in" the fight after 3-4 Rounds but Mayweather did his thing and took over.

#2. No they could not have went both ways. There were some close rounds but Mayweather clearly won the fight. Anyone who says otherwise is a sore losing fan boy who can't accept the fact that Floyd Jr beat Manny convincingly.

#3. What does that mean? Floyd got hurt? yes ... But what does that mean? Not much in the grand scheme of things. Look at Mayweather vs Mosley. Who looked more hurt? Refer to round 2 of their fight. Who won the rest of the rounds ....

#4. Floyd clinched? Yes, but not as much as he done in other fights so quit complaining. Wasn't an Andre Ward clinch fest by any stretch of the imagination. Running? That is not running. Floyd was using great side to side movement that Manny couldn't time or figure out.

#5. Floyd fought a brilliant fight for Manny. Schooled him. If Floyd went toe to toe he would have been in trouble and he knows that. Floyd is smart. You can say Manny never tagged Mayweather like he did his other opponents that he beat. See what I did there?

#6. Neither did Manny. Thing is Floyd did land more shots and win more rounds to win a fight. End of story.

#7. 9-3 or 8-4 Fight that was suppose to be a close fight in the eyes of many is a masterclass. Just another Mayweather hater who doesn't appreciate and/or recognize greatness when put in front of him :TU:

#8. What did most boxing fans and former boxers believe who won? If all you can do is show me 2 'delusional' fighters who thought Pac won that is not enough. People who claim they thought Pacquiao beat Mayweather are far more ridiculous than the people who claimed Bradley beat Pacquiao. My opinion



:box:

Floyd will go down as the superior fighter whether you like it or not :TU:
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Just have to say uptconnect KO'ed this thread.. on freaking point man.
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I havent seen the fight yet but i've heard that Manny had an injured shoulder coming into the fight.
Hurt it during training about a few weeks prior to this fight. It makes sense punch stats wise. Sounds like
he really limited his punching volume. Like men fighting well into they're 40's do. Its funny how i was thinking to myself
a few days before they fought that one of them just may come in pre-injured,or sick,and it'll likely be Manny,since he was
referred to as the Good guy in this fight by most fans and the Villian seems to never get sick or injured in this world. ;;-)

With that said,its too bad that a re-match is very unlikely,allthough not completely out of the question.
If these two guys were around back in the 80's as top rated pro boxers,a rematch would be Very Likely within half a year.
In this day and age,if they do rematch,it wont take place until another year at best. :geek:
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AngryGoon38 wrote:I havent seen the fight yet but i've heard that Manny had an injured shoulder coming into the fight.
Hurt it during training about a few weeks prior to this fight. It makes sense punch stats wise. Sounds like
he really limited his punching volume. Like men fighting well into they're 40's do. Its funny how i was thinking to myself
a few days before they fought that one of them just may come in pre-injured,or sick,and it'll likely be Manny,since he was
referred to as the Good guy in this fight by most fans and the Villian seems to never get sick or injured in this world. ;;-)

With that said,its too bad that a re-match is very unlikely,allthough not completely out of the question.
If these two guys were around back in the 80's as top rated pro boxers,a rematch would be Very Likely within half a year.
In this day and age,if they do rematch,it wont take place until another year at best. :geek:
BS on the shoulder, when you see the fight then tell me when he showed any signs of his shoulder being hurt??
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KBB wrote:
AngryGoon38 wrote:I havent seen the fight yet but i've heard that Manny had an injured shoulder coming into the fight.
Hurt it during training about a few weeks prior to this fight. It makes sense punch stats wise. Sounds like
he really limited his punching volume. Like men fighting well into they're 40's do. Its funny how i was thinking to myself
a few days before they fought that one of them just may come in pre-injured,or sick,and it'll likely be Manny,since he was
referred to as the Good guy in this fight by most fans and the Villian seems to never get sick or injured in this world. ;;-)

With that said,its too bad that a re-match is very unlikely,allthough not completely out of the question.
If these two guys were around back in the 80's as top rated pro boxers,a rematch would be Very Likely within half a year.
In this day and age,if they do rematch,it wont take place until another year at best. :geek:
BS on the shoulder, when you see the fight then tell me when he showed any signs of his shoulder being hurt??

Limiting his punch output by such a drastic measure allready has me feeling quite suspiciously suspecting he may have
indeed been (Fwi) "Fighting while injured". Wincing and stuff like that can easily be Mentally masked over by normal things competitive fighters have,such as Excessive Adrenaline,or an Extra strong will to not completely give up and let the fans down. A competitively capable boxer knows better not to let an injury show because this will only strongly enhance the opposing fighters confidence and fiery and such. Yeah,i'm looking forward to watching it but i'm feeling pretty certain i'm going to be going like "Oh Man ! Seriously ? Come on ! Really ?!,where's the follow up from there !?,where's the follow up from this and that punch!?,look at all the hesitancy and excessive conserving of energy !,where's all that usual PacMan energy and fiery ?! "He looks like he's really conserving his punches !,look at all the opportunities !,Man !,what a waste" ! :confused:
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AngryGoon38 wrote:Limiting his punch output by such a drastic measure allready has me feeling quite suspiciously suspecting he may have
indeed been (Fwi) "Fighting while injured". Wincing and stuff like that can easily be Mentally masked over by normal things competitive fighters have,such as Excessive Adrenaline,or an Extra strong will to not completely give up and let the fans down. A competitively capable boxer knows better not to let an injury show because this will only strongly enhance the opposing fighters confidence and fiery and such. Yeah,i'm looking forward to watching it but i'm feeling pretty certain i'm going to be going like "Oh Man ! Seriously ? Come on ! Really ?!,where's the follow up from there !?,where's the follow up from this and that punch!?,look at all the hesitancy and excessive conserving of energy !,where's all that usual PacMan energy and fiery ?! "He looks like he's really conserving his punches !,look at all the opportunities !,Man !,what a waste" ! :confused:
As Trainer Robert Garcia stated, every fighter has injuries, Rios went into his last 4 fights with major tears in his arms and he still fought MP and made no excuses for losing easily the same way MP lost to Floyd.

Manny just couldn't cut off the ring and had no real gameplan to beat Floyd in this era or any other, excuses about a minor injury like that when Floyd has a well documented history of hand problems but still fights on is just what they are; excuses!!
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kidbazooka1 wrote:I thought floyd won but by no means was it a "master performance".

I really don't know why some ppl are blinded by floyds style of boxing its disgusting that ppl can have praise for it.

exactly.

also, i dont trust compubox. so many shots very simple air or gloves but were pointed as a clear punch :doh:

a lot of close rounds, some rounds were the ref couldve deduct a point for excessive holding and leaning over.

i mean, manny won 4 rounds, than add some 10:10 rounds and 1 point deduction and you got the same result in the maidana fight, a draw. tbe my ass.
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Chepppaaa wrote:
kidbazooka1 wrote:I thought floyd won but by no means was it a "master performance".

I really don't know why some ppl are blinded by floyds style of boxing its disgusting that ppl can have praise for it.

exactly.

also, i dont trust compubox. so many shots very simple air or gloves but were pointed as a clear punch :doh:

a lot of close rounds, some rounds were the ref couldve deduct a point for excessive holding and leaning over.

i mean, manny won 4 rounds, than add some 10:10 rounds and 1 point deduction and you got the same result in the maidana fight, a draw. tbe my ass.
Yeah TBE is Manny=The Best Excuses!!

None of those rounds were even, I see you are still struggling to face the reality that your boy lost easily, not one boxer that I've seen on youtube agrees with your BS, you need to stop because your bitterness is really showing and it's sad.
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AngryGoon38 wrote:I havent seen the fight yet but i've heard that Manny had an injured shoulder coming into the fight.
Hurt it during training about a few weeks prior to this fight. It makes sense punch stats wise. Sounds like
he really limited his punching volume
.
Fighting the best counter puncher in boxing would do that too
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CrazyHorse wrote:
AngryGoon38 wrote:I havent seen the fight yet but i've heard that Manny had an injured shoulder coming into the fight.
Hurt it during training about a few weeks prior to this fight. It makes sense punch stats wise. Sounds like
he really limited his punching volume
.
Fighting the best counter puncher in boxing would do that too

I dont know if i could call him the best counter puncher in boxing. I've seen plenty that seem better in that specific category.

What i DO observe is his Very good(But not Great) overall defensive strategies,very good(But not great) at methodical type defensive fundementals,Very Good(But not great) jab and head movement,Nice quick check hook. Basically Very good at various boxing fundementals but not earth shatteringly great at anything. He was getting outworked and out-counter punched by Zab Judah for the first 4 rounds until Zab(Mr Frontrunner) started tiring out.

I Really think a healthy shoulder version Of Manny will throw ALOT more punches. He'll work on the inside Alot more. They're will be alot more volume and alot more punches will land. He needs to get inside and really work the body. Floyd seems susceptible there. Needs to muscle Floyd around. Nobody really tries to Muscle around Floyd it seems. Like they're afraid he's gonna start pulling dirty tricks like thumbing and stuff. Does seem like the type that would as well. Very win at all costs mentality. And a very entitled type demeanor mentality as well.
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I don't think the shoulder made much of a difference TBH. The high volume Manny who would give Floyd headaches hasn't existed since around 2011.
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AngryGoon38 wrote:I Really think a healthy shoulder version Of Manny will throw ALOT more punches. He'll work on the inside Alot more. They're will be alot more volume and alot more punches will land. He needs to get inside and really work the body. Floyd seems susceptible there. Needs to muscle Floyd around. Nobody really tries to Muscle around Floyd it seems. Like they're afraid he's gonna start pulling dirty tricks like thumbing and stuff. Does seem like the type that would as well. Very win at all costs mentality. And a very entitled type demeanor mentality as well.
Please elaborate on who is better at counter punching right now?

Manny isn't going to work on the inside on Floyd. Manny is a mid-range fighter. And that is exactly where Floyd wants to fight Manny is mid-range. Only guy who will give Floyd problems and or beat him will be a swarmer. Manny's shoulder was fine, don't get it twisted. The reason his output was down was because of Floyd's movement and his counter-punching abilities. Fact of the matter is "Counter Punching" is a part of your defense. And trust me, Manny will not "muscle" Floyd around. Floyd is bigger, stronger, smarter. Floyd is and always was the better fighter.
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CrazyHorse wrote:
AngryGoon38 wrote:I Really think a healthy shoulder version Of Manny will throw ALOT more punches. He'll work on the inside Alot more. They're will be alot more volume and alot more punches will land. He needs to get inside and really work the body. Floyd seems susceptible there. Needs to muscle Floyd around. Nobody really tries to Muscle around Floyd it seems. Like they're afraid he's gonna start pulling dirty tricks like thumbing and stuff. Does seem like the type that would as well. Very win at all costs mentality. And a very entitled type demeanor mentality as well.
Please elaborate on who is better at counter punching right now?

Manny isn't going to work on the inside on Floyd. Manny is a mid-range fighter. And that is exactly where Floyd wants to fight Manny is mid-range. Only guy who will give Floyd problems and or beat him will be a swarmer. Manny's shoulder was fine, don't get it twisted. The reason his output was down was because of Floyd's movement and his counter-punching abilities. Fact of the matter is "Counter Punching" is a part of your defense. And trust me, Manny will not "muscle" Floyd around. Floyd is bigger, stronger, smarter. Floyd is and always was the better fighter.

Here's a better counter puncher right here,...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v+8iUnYR7WwUI

I'll post a few more. First watch this phenom !

:box:
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Another better counter-puncher,...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmkopgPh4qs

Watch at 17:55 of the video. That is some seriously awesome counter-punching right there !

Floyd is Great at head-movement and clinching. He's very good at counter-punching,but once again,there ARE better out there at PURE Counter-punching ! :wink:
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Crease wrote:
MachoTime wrote:It was the same Mayweather fight all over again. Quite simply the Mayweather opponents can't seem to catch up to him. Pacquiao was no different. I had it 8-4 Mayweather.
I had it 8-4 to Mayweather as well. But in my view, Mayweather's fights are becoming more and more like running away matches, rather than boxing fights. Floyd must have reversed about 40 times (2/3/4 times per round) on Saturday night...

And the question has to be asked: Is this and should this be enough to win a boxing match?
yes of course it should, it seems to me that you think if they dont stand in front of each other banging away it's a shit fight, rocky balboa was a character in a film not a real life boxer, you should learn about this sport, it's a shame that you have one of the most skillful fighters your ever ever likely to see and because he's not in rock em sock fights you cant appreciate it, he boxed pacs head of, it's that simple pac who is a great fighter by the way got made to look ordinary which shows you the level of fighter mayweather is.
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if any of you think pacquiao won more than 2 rounds you really are mentalists.
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meahdem wrote:rocky balboa was a character in a film not a real life boxer
You mentioned him, not me.
meahdem wrote:you should learn about this sport, it's a shame that you have one of the most skillful fighters your ever ever likely to see and because he's not in rock em sock fights you cant appreciate it
As it recognized these days, there are various different boxing styles. It's no secret that I prefer brawlers and swarmers to defensive fighters like Mayweather. It doesn't mean that I don't appreciate him or that I under rank him as a fighter.
meahdem wrote:he boxed pacs head of, it's that simple pac who is a great fighter by the way got made to look ordinary which shows you the level of fighter mayweather is.
We can only give Floyd the credit of beating the 2015 version of Manny Pacquaio... Had this fight been 2008/09 - it could have been very different...
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Crease wrote:
meahdem wrote:rocky balboa was a character in a film not a real life boxer
You mentioned him, not me.
meahdem wrote:you should learn about this sport, it's a shame that you have one of the most skillful fighters your ever ever likely to see and because he's not in rock em sock fights you cant appreciate it
As it recognized these days, there are various different boxing styles. It's no secret that I prefer brawlers and swarmers to defensive fighters like Mayweather. It doesn't mean that I don't appreciate him or that I under rank him as a fighter.
meahdem wrote:he boxed pacs head of, it's that simple pac who is a great fighter by the way got made to look ordinary which shows you the level of fighter mayweather is.
We can only give Floyd the credit of beating the 2015 version of Manny Pacquaio... Had this fight been 2008/09 - it could have been very different...
1. to make a point.
2.it seems you dont.
3.how do you know that, floyd was better in 2008/9 than he is now so i say manny would of won maybe 1 round rather the 2 he did.
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meahdem wrote:1. to make a point.
A flawed point, using flawed logic. Balboa is a factional character, let's leave him out of any sensible discussion regarding boxing.
meahdem wrote:2.it seems you dont.
On the contrary, I am not the one who has been branding people for not agreeing with his point, as you have:
meahdem wrote:if any of you think pacquiao won more than 2 rounds you really are mentalists.
You are harbouring this delusion that because I don't share your overzealous fawning over Mayweather that you can then assume to know more of boxing than I do.
:lol:
meahdem wrote:3.how do you know that, floyd was better in 2008/9 than he is now so i say manny would of won maybe 1 round rather the 2 he did.
Floyd was better, yes - but to answer your question Manny Pacquaio was much, much better back then. And the reasoning follows that this means it would be a very different fight.

I can't say for 100% certainty who would win had they fought at that time period, but neither can you - nor can anyone else. However, it is undeniable that because Manny was a better fighter back then, it increases his probability of winning, compared to what it was earlier this month.
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