Betting thread

[GlobalBox]

Yes I am thinking as a small play in a couple of accumulators to bulk up the value! Lots of other accumulators in the mix to reduce variance!

Snap - Had a small on at 4s and in a couple of trebles to boost.

Got DIrrell as the last leg of 2 nice trebles comes to just under a bag of sand if he wins so fingers crossed, from a purely financial point of view of course.

Yep Dirrell rounds off a few of mine too. Good luck!

And you mate

[Bard of Boxrec]

Can someone explain how bookies like Stan James and Vic Chandler and even Hills are still in business? Horribly uncompetitive odds. Understandably they do ok where they have an established high street presence but the online trend is irreversible now, and punters are surely getting more value-conscious with sites like oddschecker doing their price comparison for them.

Hard to imagine anyone thinking of opening an online account going with Stan James. I mean, why the hell would you. If you're a moron and don't think about shopping around for odds you'd go with the ones you saw on an advert, if you're in any way discernable you'd notice the most consistent value is with Paddy/365/Fred etc.

[reggaereggae]

Chudinov 3.75 over Sturm?

[ardybo]

Chudinov has a good chance against 4 punches a round Sturm

[GlobalBox]

Can someone explain how bookies like Stan James and Vic Chandler and even Hills are still in business? Horribly uncompetitive odds. Understandably they do ok where they have an established high street presence but the online trend is irreversible now, and punters are surely getting more value-conscious with sites like oddschecker doing their price comparison for them.

Hard to imagine anyone thinking of opening an online account going with Stan James. I mean, why the hell would you. If you're a moron and don't think about shopping around for odds you'd go with the ones you saw on an advert, if you're in any way discernable you'd notice the most consistent value is with Paddy/365/Fred etc.

Hi Riddick its funny really because I kind of think about it the other way, they all bet to roughly (without a couple of per cent) to the same margins,
I take most of my money off the three you like, not because there better value but because they look wrong, take for example the Miura/Dib fight last week, I fancied the ko/tko for Miura so Stan James were 5/4 which I thought was about right but Paddy Power were 9/4 so I backed it with them, now SJ were biggest every other option in that market and the percentage was very similar, so basically SJ were saying we think its going to be a knock out for the Japanese fighter if you disagree come and back anything else with us but we dont want to lay the knockout.

Kind of think really thats good oddsmaking and as we know PP ended up evens the knockout after taking what appeared sustained money (from quite a few of us).

It can often be a good guide to see if a book has the balls to stay a price which looks poor value but is in fact there opinion, sometimes it's worth looking twice at to see if there is a good reason for it, In Miura's case there was, but because of the percentages they all bet too sometimes it looks dreadful value when really its just because the oddsmaker feels the same as we do about the fight.

Its only a view mate but as I say I know where I manage to make money most purely because I think there prices are wrong.

[Bard of Boxrec]

Can someone explain how bookies like Stan James and Vic Chandler and even Hills are still in business? Horribly uncompetitive odds. Understandably they do ok where they have an established high street presence but the online trend is irreversible now, and punters are surely getting more value-conscious with sites like oddschecker doing their price comparison for them.

Hard to imagine anyone thinking of opening an online account going with Stan James. I mean, why the hell would you. If you're a moron and don't think about shopping around for odds you'd go with the ones you saw on an advert, if you're in any way discernable you'd notice the most consistent value is with Paddy/365/Fred etc.

Hi Riddick its funny really because I kind of think about it the other way, they all bet to roughly (without a couple of per cent) to the same margins,
I take most of my money off the three you like, not because there better value but because they look wrong, take for example the Miura/Dib fight last week, I fancied the ko/tko for Miura so Stan James were 5/4 which I thought was about right but Paddy Power were 9/4 so I backed it with them, now SJ were biggest every other option in that market and the percentage was very similar, so basically SJ were saying we think its going to be a knock out for the Japanese fighter if you disagree come and back anything else with us but we dont want to lay the knockout.

Kind of think really thats good oddsmaking and as we know PP ended up evens the knockout after taking what appeared sustained money (from quite a few of us).

It can often be a good guide to see if a book has the balls to stay a price which looks poor value but is in fact there opinion, sometimes it's worth looking twice at to see if there is a good reason for it, In Miura's case there was, but because of the percentages they all bet too sometimes it looks dreadful value when really its just because the oddsmaker feels the same as we do about the fight.

Its only a view mate but as I say I know where I manage to make money most purely because I think there prices are wrong.

Interesting view... of course from their perspective it's good oddsmaking as they shouldn't want to be taking a lot of money on that market but overall I don't really understand, you saying PP's prices are wrong is just saying they are giving you great value. If you're saying it's worth looking at certain books for better form guides, I trust a lot more people on this forum than a bookie to get the odds right for boxing.

Anyway you will rarely be finding the value on SJ that Paddy can offer, from my experience there is a huge difference there and at the end of the day it's all about the value.

I guess SJ and the like will be attracting punters on other sports.

[GlobalBox]

Can someone explain how bookies like Stan James and Vic Chandler and even Hills are still in business? Horribly uncompetitive odds. Understandably they do ok where they have an established high street presence but the online trend is irreversible now, and punters are surely getting more value-conscious with sites like oddschecker doing their price comparison for them.

Hard to imagine anyone thinking of opening an online account going with Stan James. I mean, why the hell would you. If you're a moron and don't think about shopping around for odds you'd go with the ones you saw on an advert, if you're in any way discernable you'd notice the most consistent value is with Paddy/365/Fred etc.

Hi Riddick its funny really because I kind of think about it the other way, they all bet to roughly (without a couple of per cent) to the same margins,
I take most of my money off the three you like, not because there better value but because they look wrong, take for example the Miura/Dib fight last week, I fancied the ko/tko for Miura so Stan James were 5/4 which I thought was about right but Paddy Power were 9/4 so I backed it with them, now SJ were biggest every other option in that market and the percentage was very similar, so basically SJ were saying we think its going to be a knock out for the Japanese fighter if you disagree come and back anything else with us but we dont want to lay the knockout.

Kind of think really thats good oddsmaking and as we know PP ended up evens the knockout after taking what appeared sustained money (from quite a few of us).

It can often be a good guide to see if a book has the balls to stay a price which looks poor value but is in fact there opinion, sometimes it's worth looking twice at to see if there is a good reason for it, In Miura's case there was, but because of the percentages they all bet too sometimes it looks dreadful value when really its just because the oddsmaker feels the same as we do about the fight.

Its only a view mate but as I say I know where I manage to make money most purely because I think there prices are wrong.

Interesting view... of course from their perspective it's good oddsmaking as they shouldn't want to be taking a lot of money on that market but overall I don't really understand, you saying their prices are wrong is just saying they are giving you great value. you will rarely be finding the value on SJ that Paddy can offer, from my experience there is a huge difference there and at the end of the day it's all about the value.

I guess SJ and the like will be attracting punters on other sports.

Its subjective I think, if I find something value to me that means the odds are bigger than they should be obviously only in my view and if I was always right I would be typing this from the south of France, which believe me I am not!!

What I try and do is find my bets, price the market up on a piece of paper and then see who is what when the odds come out. For arguments sake the Miura market I had Miura ko at around 5/4 or 11/10, therefore when I see 5/4 and 9/4 come out for SJ and PP respectively I dont go near the 5/4 but hurry along to the 9/4 not just because its value as such but because I also think its wrong.

That aside I fancy a couple this weekend and have priced them up on paper and waiting for the markets to appear, I don't think there will be any value looking at the outright prices but will post here if that turns out not to be the case, good luck for the weekend mate

[Bard of Boxrec]

not just because its value as such but because I also think its wrong.

Still don't get this, if it's wrong in your favour it's value! Anyway just semantics I guess, good luck :)

Just thought of something, you may be onto something with SJ and their 'correct' pricing as I believe they opened the market for the Khan/Collazo fight at 5/1 for Collazo and a lot of us fell for it hook, line and sinker. Someone there knows their boxing. Very nice trap on their part considering what transpired in the fight!

Oh, and 'the better' Chudinov to demolish Sturm!

[GlobalBox]

not just because its value as such but because I also think its wrong.

Still don't get this, if it's wrong in your favour it's value! Anyway just semantics I guess, good luck :)

Just thought of something, you may be onto something with SJ and their 'correct' pricing as I believe they opened the market for the Khan/Collazo fight at 5/1 for Collazo and a lot of us fell for it hook, line and sinker. Very nice trap on their part considering what transpired in the fight!

Oh, and 'the better' Chudinov to demolish Sturm!

Chudinov is too big that is for sure, the boy can bang no doubt, have had a little bit at 3s earlier in the week, I kind of think he should be nearer 13/8 or 7/4 due to all the unknowns in the fight.

[Bard of Boxrec]

not just because its value as such but because I also think its wrong.

Still don't get this, if it's wrong in your favour it's value! Anyway just semantics I guess, good luck :)

Just thought of something, you may be onto something with SJ and their 'correct' pricing as I believe they opened the market for the Khan/Collazo fight at 5/1 for Collazo and a lot of us fell for it hook, line and sinker. Very nice trap on their part considering what transpired in the fight!

Oh, and 'the better' Chudinov to demolish Sturm!

Chudinov is too big that is for sure, the boy can bang no doubt, have had a little bit at 3s earlier in the week, I kind of think he should be nearer 13/8 or 7/4 due to all the unknowns in the fight.

Race to the KO odds

Does anyone like Gradovich at 9/4? I see it as razor-tight with Selby. I feel like on some sort of idealistic neutral ground it should be 5/6 apiece but I see it a distance affair and Gradovich will be getting no favours in a close one, so maybe not worth it?

[freddydoesdallas]

Riddick, i'm with you on the likes of laddies/SJ etc. I've had accounts with all the bookies at one point due to joining offers and sometimes very big prices on offer (Coral used to love putting an anytime goalscorer at big prices) but now i mainly stick to PP, bet365 & Betfair. Still check oddschecker but there's never any reason (prices) for me to take my cash elsewhere. Also, the ones mentioned do actual offers that favour the punter ie customer retention.

Speaking of which, bet365 are doing their matched, risk free bet again tonight for Barca v Bayern. Will match up to £50 with a risk free (cash is credited back to you if you lose) £50 bet in play. Did it last night with Juve Madrid and incase anybody hasn't done it before, you can actually make free money. Place £50 before the match on the double chance market for team A and then in-play back team B. Tonight, the minimum profit is about £11 (Barca 2/11 for draw/win) and maximum is £200 as Bayern are 4/1 to win.

[BOYOVERTHEHILL]

Re:Chudinov v Sturm
I agree with the decent value here on the 3/1 on Chudinov.....and I love an underdog. ..but...
I have yet to see Fedor move his head...he's slow...upright...and footwork is average.
Think he's far too inexperienced to trouble an admittedly faded Sturm and he looks Taylor made for Sturm to look good against.
I expect Sturm to use his tremendous jab early and gradually introduce body shots and power combos mid fight....
Sturm looks the stronger man and I don't think he will be afraid to work inside and try to force the stoppage mid rounds.
Sturm ain't done yet!!!!!

[Bard of Boxrec]

Re:Chudinov v Sturm
I agree with the decent value here on the 3/1 on Chudinov.....and I love an underdog. ..but...
I have yet to see Fedor move his head...he's slow...upright...and footwork is average.
Think he's far too inexperienced to trouble an admittedly faded Sturm and he looks Taylor made for Sturm to look good against.
I expect Sturm to use his tremendous jab early and gradually introduce body shots and power combos mid fight....
Sturm looks the stronger man and I don't think he will be afraid to work inside and try to force the stoppage mid rounds.
Sturm ain't done yet!!!!!

Or on the other hand, you have examples like the first Beyer/Danny Green fight, where the seemingly inexperienced and one-dimensional puncher goes to Germany and does a number on the fading home fighter through youth, hunger and energy. I see this as a likely outcome (minus Green's batty headbutting amd the DQ).

GRADOVICH vs Selby...who likes Gradovich? TALK TO ME. Both guys are B-level, can Evgeny's pressure tell or will Selby box him to a decision off the back foot?

[MightyWarrior]

Gradovich might outhustle Selby, but Lee might scrape a close one on 'home' ground.

I think Mitchell might be more shot than he looked last time out, and even though the other guy is vunerable, I think he might take out Mitchell by KO.

[The Insider]

Sturm by K.O.

Awaiting odds.

[higgs88]

Buglioni 1/12 Markham 15/2. for a close fight these odds are massive.
Chudinov Markham double is 29/1. £20 down on that

[ShadrachSimmo]

Buglioni 1/12 Markham 15/2. for a close fight these odds are massive.
Chudinov Markham double is 29/1. £20 down on that

1/12 is ridiculous for Buglioni. It's no going to take someone much better than Markham to beat him again.

[higgs88]

They boxed twice in the amateurs winning 1 a piece, Markham winning the last 1.
this is a close fight, Markham is great value for money here

Buglioni 1/12 Markham 15/2. for a close fight these odds are massive.
Chudinov Markham double is 29/1. £20 down on that

1/12 is ridiculous for Buglioni. It's no going to take someone much better than Markham to beat him again.

[Tommy Gunn13]

Buglioni 1/12 Markham 15/2. for a close fight these odds are massive.
Chudinov Markham double is 29/1. £20 down on that

1/12 is ridiculous for Buglioni. It's no going to take someone much better than Markham to beat him again.

Buglioni will win easy,whats the odds on inside the distance?

[freddydoesdallas]

Buglioni 1/12 Markham 15/2. for a close fight these odds are massive.
Chudinov Markham double is 29/1. £20 down on that

1/12 is ridiculous for Buglioni. It's no going to take someone much better than Markham to beat him again.

7/1 against Buglioni is always a tempting price when he's fighting someone who can punch back.

[ShadrachSimmo]

Buglioni 1/12 Markham 15/2. for a close fight these odds are massive.
Chudinov Markham double is 29/1. £20 down on that

1/12 is ridiculous for Buglioni. It's no going to take someone much better than Markham to beat him again.

Buglioni will win easy,whats the odds on inside the distance?

No seen any odds on victory method yet. But I'd be guessing around even money?

[reggaereggae]

Not that Boxrecers don't already know; but if you want to see what's wrong with boxing, check out Saturday's fights on Oddschecker: http://www.oddschecker.com/boxing

There are 22 priced fight, and not a single one is close to an even match up.

7 of the fights have a fighter priced at 100/1 on...16 of the fights are 1/10 on or (much) lower....

And the shortest price on an underdog (Chudinov/McDonnell) is 5/2....

[Bard of Boxrec]

Sturm by K.O.

Awaiting odds.

I can see where you're coming from. Chudinov reminds me a bit of Kostya Tszyu in that he has quick hands and big power but poor foot, head and body movement and you can see him being outhustled and landed on clean by someone with sound skills like Sturm. Chudinov seems to have a good chin but I haven't seen it REALLY tested yet. If I knew for sure he was rock solid and didn't cut easily or anything I would think an ageing Sturm in a foreign weightclass would be up against it here. I'm having a few doubts but I still like the value on Chudinov stoppage.

[ShadrachSimmo]

Looks like there's some decent wedge going on Markham he's down to 4's with some firms now.

[littlepug]

Markham- win just had this bet 197-1
Joshua- ko 1
Figueroa- win pnts
mcdonnel- win