Real Boxing

[BAD INTENTIONS]

I'm a little sick of the violence lovers who are praising Alvarez/Kirkland as a "real" boxing match.

I couldn't watch this level of violence weekly. You get possibly the greatest defensive fighter of all-time booed out the building, but you praise the guy who goes in a takes 100 clean power shots to the head. This is boxing you know ... a sport, not war, that you all seem to like for some reason.e

If this is the direction boxing is going to be forced into, then I'll quit viewing. HBO creates an "anti-Gatti" list and names the fighters I enjoy watching most. We are criticizing highly skilled fighters to praise a fighter who was not very good. Let's create the anti-Tebow list ...

[handsofstone]

I'm a little sick of the violence lovers who are praising Alvarez/Kirkland as a "real" boxing match.

I couldn't watch this level of violence weekly. You get possibly the greatest defensive fighter of all-time booed out the building, but you praise the guy who goes in a takes 100 clean power shots to the head. This is boxing you know ... a sport, not war, that you all seem to like for some reason.e

If this is the direction boxing is going to be forced into, then I'll quit viewing. HBO creates an "anti-Gatti" list and names the fighters I enjoy watching most. We are criticizing highly skilled fighters to praise a fighter who was not very good. Let's create the anti-Tebow list ...

I enjoy both sides,too much of one thing is boring

[punchoutsb]

No one is forcing boxing any direction. Calm down.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

I'm a little sick of the violence lovers who are praising Alvarez/Kirkland as a "real" boxing match.

I couldn't watch this level of violence weekly. You get possibly the greatest defensive fighter of all-time booed out the building, but you praise the guy who goes in a takes 100 clean power shots to the head. This is boxing you know ... a sport, not war, that you all seem to like for some reason.e

If this is the direction boxing is going to be forced into, then I'll quit viewing. HBO creates an "anti-Gatti" list and names the fighters I enjoy watching most. We are criticizing highly skilled fighters to praise a fighter who was not very good. Let's create the anti-Tebow list ...

I enjoy both sides,too much of one thing is boring

BOTH isn't an option.

It's being setup as one or the other. Hasn't HBO made that abundantly clear?

[handsofstone]

I'm a little sick of the violence lovers who are praising Alvarez/Kirkland as a "real" boxing match.

I couldn't watch this level of violence weekly. You get possibly the greatest defensive fighter of all-time booed out the building, but you praise the guy who goes in a takes 100 clean power shots to the head. This is boxing you know ... a sport, not war, that you all seem to like for some reason.e

If this is the direction boxing is going to be forced into, then I'll quit viewing. HBO creates an "anti-Gatti" list and names the fighters I enjoy watching most. We are criticizing highly skilled fighters to praise a fighter who was not very good. Let's create the anti-Tebow list ...

I enjoy both sides,too much of one thing is boring

BOTH isn't an option.

It's being setup as one or the other. Hasn't HBO made that abundantly clear?

Well fvck this I'm getting off

[BAD INTENTIONS]

No one is forcing boxing any direction. Calm down.

Are you stupid?

Didn't HBO basically ban Rigo from the network?
The anti-Gatti list?
Everything Lampley says?
Every PBC fight after the first two?

10 years ago football fans said that the league will unfairly promote the passing game, it hasn't been forced in that direction?
Just wait and see what baseball will be in 10 years.
We are at a stage in America where entertainment is everything.

[punchoutsb]

No one is forcing boxing any direction. Calm down.

Are you stupid?

Didn't HBO basically ban Rigo from the network?
The anti-Gatti list?
Everything Lampley says?
Every PBC fight after the first two?

10 years ago football fans said that the league will unfairly promote the passing game, it hasn't been forced in that direction?
Just wait and see what baseball will be in 10 years.
We are at a stage in America where entertainment is everything.

No, I'm not stupid. Are you?

Boxing is a sport, and sport is about entertainment. It's nothing new.

There's a lot more to boxing than HBO. Sho took a much different stance.

[kidbazooka1]

I appreciate two guys with skill but who want to fight, not stand right in front of you just throwing caution to the wind but who look to engage tactically.

With the exception of some this is what most fans want and expect in a fight.

Now what Floyd does is just exaggerated hr does not look to engage or entertain the ppl that got him where he's at(fans). His thing is land a lil shot be it jab, right hand and quickly move out the way. Reminds me of those old cartoon skits where they have a guy landing a pitty pat shot on a bigger guy then they literally run around them in a circle.

That is not entertainment and not how boxing became huge in its hey day. If s fighter wants to employ that kinda game plane well then they should just stick to amateur boxing.

Everyone is sick n tired of Floyd now that the so called fight of the century is over the casuals as well are done with his, Floyd fooled everyone one too many times.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

Sport is not entertainment. Sport is competition. Whether an observer derives entertainment from the competition should not be a concern to the athlete or those who run the sport.

I'm sorry that your god, money, makes you think otherwise. Because if you could separate money from the action, you would be able to see things a different way ... but you probably can't because $ is omnipresent in your mind.

[Impractical Poster]

Like punch stated, calm down. It is no secret that Max enjoys the more fundamentally sound fighters. People are just upset with the lack of engagement a fight the magnitude of Floyd/Manny displayed. Leonard/Hearns were huge fights against highly skilled individuals that delivered because the combatants weren't afraid to engage. Last night was just a treat for those who were let down from last week's anticlimactic bout.

There is reason why bouts like Castillo/Corrales and the Marquez/Vasquez fights are universally recognized as being some of the best bouts in modern boxing history.

I used to really enjoy Floyd. And his full set of skills were on display. The way he fought when he won the title against Genaro Hernandez. When he blasted out Angel Manfredy. That was an entertaining Floyd. I don't enjoy what he has morphed into. He has even stated that he has fallen out in love with the sport. So, why should he engage in any type of risky fashion?

[kidbazooka1]

Sport is not entertainment. Sport is competition. Whether an observer derives entertainment from the competition should not be a concern to the athlete or those who run the sport.

I'm sorry that your god, money, makes you think otherwise. Because if you could separate money from the action, you would be able to see things a different way ... but you probably can't because $ is omnipresent in your mind.

Actually $ seems to be everything your boy Floyd cares about that's why he got into the entertainment business and that's why he made this fake $$ persona of his.

He knew very damn well his boxing style was not gonna earn him the money he wanted so he became this annoying loudmouth cry baby.

And your sadly mistaken if you think prize fighting isn't entertainment. It's competion and entertainment why the fuuck do you think ppl pay hundreds and thousands of dollars to watch to prize fighters fight.

I think your more a fan of certain fighters than the actual sport cuz I highly doubt you would be this supportive of that style if say it was de la hoya that fought the way Floyd fights.

But that's fine we all have our favorite fighters but I just hard to believe you would bash last nights fight if it was Floyd in there putting Kirkland to sleep in similar fashion.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

There is reason why bouts like Castillo/Corrales and the Marquez/Vasquez fights are universally recognized as being some of the best bouts in modern boxing history.

You'd compare Kirkland/Alvarez to those two fights? They are two totally different classes of action fights.

[Badhusker]

The thing is, Floyd doesn't get props no matter how he wins a fight. He pretty much fought Cotto and Maidana I toe to toe. He ended up being criticized for everything under the sun, people saying he fought that way because he couldn't use his legs anymore, etc etc.

He uses his elusiveness (and his shot to shit legs and reflexes) to take away his opponent's strengths, and he is running. I guess if I were him, I would win the easy way too in the twilight of his career, wouldn't you? A few butt hurt people even accuse him of juicing for magically getting back his legs and reflexes? The fact is he can win pretty much however he chooses. How he beat Pac was smart. Not the most entertaining way, no. People will always pay to see him win or lose. Its not like this was the LAST time they will pay. lmao

[Impractical Poster]

There is reason why bouts like Castillo/Corrales and the Marquez/Vasquez fights are universally recognized as being some of the best bouts in modern boxing history.

You'd compare Kirkland/Alvarez to those two fights? They are two totally different classes of action fights.

The only reason I use that example is because of the willingness to engage. I stated that people were excited to see it due to the disappointment of last week. Fans, I don't care how much of a veteran you are, love excitement and drama. If you don't care for the drama and strictly enjoy the hit without being hit aspect, maybe fencing is more for you. (Not saying you specifically don't, just generalizing) I believe every fighter would like a KO win if they had the option of how to win.... and so would the fans. Boxing is a brutal sport. So, people like the brutality of it, especially when done in a highly skilled setting.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

Sport is not entertainment. Sport is competition. Whether an observer derives entertainment from the competition should not be a concern to the athlete or those who run the sport.

I'm sorry that your god, money, makes you think otherwise. Because if you could separate money from the action, you would be able to see things a different way ... but you probably can't because $ is omnipresent in your mind.

Actually $ seems to be everything your boy Floyd cares about that's why he got into the entertainment business and that's why he made this fake $$ persona of his.

He knew very damn well his boxing style was not gonna earn him the money he wanted so he became this annoying loudmouth cry baby.

And your sadly mistaken if you think prize fighting isn't entertainment. It's competion and entertainment why the fuuck do you think ppl pay hundreds and thousands of dollars to watch to prize fighters fight.

I think your more a fan of certain fighters than the actual sport cuz I highly doubt you would be this supportive of that style if say it was de la hoya that fought the way Floyd fights.

But that's fine we all have our favorite fighters but I just hard to believe you would bash last nights fight if it was Floyd in there putting Kirkland to sleep in similar fashion.

You lost me when you referred to Floyd as my boy.

Whatever, your type is just jealous that Floyd gets more attention from your god (money) than you do.

People are supposed to pay because they appreciate the competition. The fact that you can't separate entertainment and sport does not relegate thousands of years of extremely low wage (if any) sport competitions to your modern money obsessed mentality.

[Impractical Poster]

The thing is, Floyd doesn't get props no matter how he wins a fight. He pretty much fought Cotto and Maidana I toe to toe. He ended up being criticized for everything under the sun, people saying he fought that way because he couldn't use his legs anymore, etc etc.

He uses his elusiveness (and his shot to poo legs and reflexes) to take away his opponent's strengths, and he is running. I guess if I were him, I would win the easy way too in the twilight of his career, wouldn't you? A few butt hurt people even accuse him of juicing for magically getting back his legs and reflexes? The fact is he can win pretty much however he chooses. How he beat Pac was smart. Not the most entertaining way, no. People will always pay to see him win or lose. Its not like this was the LAST time they will pay. lmao

He pretty much fought Maidana and Cotto ropes to back.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

There is reason why bouts like Castillo/Corrales and the Marquez/Vasquez fights are universally recognized as being some of the best bouts in modern boxing history.

You'd compare Kirkland/Alvarez to those two fights? They are two totally different classes of action fights.

The only reason I use that example is because of the willingness to engage. I stated that people were excited to see it due to the disappointment of last week. Fans, I don't care how much of a veteran you are, love excitement and drama. If you don't care for the drama and strictly enjoy the hit without being hit aspect, maybe fencing is more for you. (Not saying you specifically don't, just generalizing) I believe every fighter would like a KO win if they had the option of how to win.... and so would the fans. Boxing is a brutal sport. So, people like the brutality of it, especially when done in a highly skilled setting.

There is excitement and drama in a tactical match. Perhaps more so because each punch has significant consequence.

[Impractical Poster]

You'd compare Kirkland/Alvarez to those two fights? They are two totally different classes of action fights.

The only reason I use that example is because of the willingness to engage. I stated that people were excited to see it due to the disappointment of last week. Fans, I don't care how much of a veteran you are, love excitement and drama. If you don't care for the drama and strictly enjoy the hit without being hit aspect, maybe fencing is more for you. (Not saying you specifically don't, just generalizing) I believe every fighter would like a KO win if they had the option of how to win.... and so would the fans. Boxing is a brutal sport. So, people like the brutality of it, especially when done in a highly skilled setting.

There is excitement and drama in a tactical match. Perhaps more so because each punch has significant consequence.

If those punches hold potentially dire consequences, yes.

[KBB]

It's a travesty to call what took place between Kirkland (who is not known for being defensive whatsoever) and Canelo as what "boxing" is meant to be, sure it's entertaining and we often want to see the phone booth bouts but by definition this isn't boxing, what we saw was a brawl.

Sure the brawls normally makes for more entertaining fights because they do not involve the use of defensive skills.

HBO/Lampley are/is an idiot(s) for telling the Casual Boxing Fan that what they saw was boxing, unfortunately they are too stupid to realize that it wasn't and to diss those who are the best practitioner's of this art as boring because they don't take punishment for the sake of entertaining the dumb ass masses is pathetic.

[Impractical Poster]

What Canelo did was boxing in order to take out Kirkland. Kirkland has neutralized guys with a good skill set before with his will. Canelo looked for openings while engaging.

[punchoutsb]

Sport is not entertainment. Sport is competition. Whether an observer derives entertainment from the competition should not be a concern to the athlete or those who run the sport.

I'm sorry that your god, money, makes you think otherwise. Because if you could separate money from the action, you would be able to see things a different way ... but you probably can't because $ is omnipresent in your mind.

Seems like its your time of the month the way you're freaking out here.

Yes, sport is competition to the athlete. But it has to be entertaining to the fans or else the sport will cease to exist at any serious level.

It takes big money to put on a boxing event at ANY level, yes even one in a high school gym in the middle of Arkansas. The only way you can afford to let athletes compete is by having big (with big being relative) money backing. So DUH those that run the sport (any sport) are going to be interested in financial return. And DUH people have differing opinions on what constitutes an exciting boxing match. I love a good tactical match just as much as I love a good brawl. I'm really 50/50. But your babbling on about money gods and zomg they gunna make my sport differnt are just huge over-reactions.

And if your anti-Gatti list is supposed proof of anything, you might wanna check the number of people that bought Mayweathers last PPV...cuz that's a maybe a better indication then the opinion of two or three commentators whose guy got shut out by a vastly superior boxer.

[KBB]

What Canelo did was boxing in order to take out Kirkland. Kirkland has neutralized guys with a good skill set before with his will. Canelo looked for openings while engaging.

Not that hard considering how slow Kirkland is, do you think Canelo would've been able to pull that off against a far faster fighter??

I don't.

[tiny_acres]

Sport is not entertainment. Sport is competition. Whether an observer derives entertainment from the competition should not be a concern to the athlete or those who run the sport.

I'm sorry that your god, money, makes you think otherwise. Because if you could separate money from the action, you would be able to see things a different way ... but you probably can't because $ is omnipresent in your mind.

Very well put and you are correct. I hope you don't mind if I steal
this quote to use on other forums.

[Impractical Poster]

What Canelo did was boxing in order to take out Kirkland. Kirkland has neutralized guys with a good skill set before with his will. Canelo looked for openings while engaging.

Not that hard considering how slow Kirkland is, do you think Canelo would've been able to pull that off against a far faster fighter??

I don't.

Why not?

[KBB]

Why not?

He wasn't able to do it against Lara or Mayweather. He handled Kirkland easily.