I Love this crap, It just shows how star struck some judges can be, Surely two people cant have such a wide gap between there judging of a fight. Not logically anyway.
Probably not the widest gap of all time but still inexplicable
judge: Robert Hoyle 118-110
judge: Juan Manuel Garcia Reyes 112-116 WTF?
judge: Victor Simons 116-112
SD Chudinov
Chudinov V Sturm Scores
Re: Chudinov V Sturm Scores
Sturm has been involved in 5 split decision results in his last 10 fights. Is he just getting into very close fights, or is there a bit more to be read into it? 5 out of 10 seems like an awful lot to me. The disparity in the judges scores weren't as high as this one, but there were certainly some dodgy ones.
1 of the judges must be on the payroll at each fight.
1 of the judges must be on the payroll at each fight.
Re: Chudinov V Sturm Scores
The case that I always recall when thinking of related topics is Christian Mijares-Jose Navarro, which to me seemed like a competitive but indisputable win for Mijares:
115-113 Mijares
117-111 Mijares
120-108 Navarro
As for Sturm, a number of his fights over the last few years were close and the type where split/majority decisions and draws are reasonable. This wasn't one of those fights though, as Chudinov clearly deserved to win.
115-113 Mijares
117-111 Mijares
120-108 Navarro
As for Sturm, a number of his fights over the last few years were close and the type where split/majority decisions and draws are reasonable. This wasn't one of those fights though, as Chudinov clearly deserved to win.
Re: Chudinov V Sturm Scores
Chudinov clearly won. I'd love the judge who gave it to Sturm to come and explain to me how exactly? For throwing about three punches in half of the rounds?
Re: Chudinov V Sturm Scores
I thought Chudinov won clearly but it was reasonably close and competitive, think Sturm is just a bit old and shot.
One thing this does show is that German judging isn't always that biased towards the hometown fighter, it is often said that you need a ko to get a draw over there but I actually think that Sturm has had a rough time of it throughout his career. This is funny because after he was robbed a bit against De La Hoya, he has never left Germany, presumably so he doesn't get a dodgy decision against him again. However, in this time beat Macklin by a split decision which I thought was fair but others threw their toys out the pram for, a draw against Murray which I thought he won, a loss to Geale which I scored a draw and a loss to Soliman (the first time obviously) which I scored 115-113 for Sturm.
If one judge is on the payroll but the other two are not competent enough to give him rounds he deserves then at minimum it balances it out and at worst he is getting slightly screwed
One thing this does show is that German judging isn't always that biased towards the hometown fighter, it is often said that you need a ko to get a draw over there but I actually think that Sturm has had a rough time of it throughout his career. This is funny because after he was robbed a bit against De La Hoya, he has never left Germany, presumably so he doesn't get a dodgy decision against him again. However, in this time beat Macklin by a split decision which I thought was fair but others threw their toys out the pram for, a draw against Murray which I thought he won, a loss to Geale which I scored a draw and a loss to Soliman (the first time obviously) which I scored 115-113 for Sturm.
If one judge is on the payroll but the other two are not competent enough to give him rounds he deserves then at minimum it balances it out and at worst he is getting slightly screwed
Re: Chudinov V Sturm Scores
Sturm won two rounds at most in this fight.TheWigwam wrote:I thought Chudinov won clearly but it was reasonably close and competitive, think Sturm is just a bit old and shot.
One thing this does show is that German judging isn't always that biased towards the hometown fighter, it is often said that you need a ko to get a draw over there but I actually think that Sturm has had a rough time of it throughout his career. This is funny because after he was robbed a bit against De La Hoya, he has never left Germany, presumably so he doesn't get a dodgy decision against him again. However, in this time beat Macklin by a split decision which I thought was fair but others threw their toys out the pram for, a draw against Murray which I thought he won, a loss to Geale which I scored a draw and a loss to Soliman (the first time obviously) which I scored 115-113 for Sturm.
If one judge is on the payroll but the other two are not competent enough to give him rounds he deserves then at minimum it balances it out and at worst he is getting slightly screwed
Re: Chudinov V Sturm Scores
And he lost rightfully so, the card for him was wrong but what I'm saying is that he doesn't often have it his own way :)ikorolev wrote:Sturm won two rounds at most in this fight.TheWigwam wrote:I thought Chudinov won clearly but it was reasonably close and competitive, think Sturm is just a bit old and shot.
One thing this does show is that German judging isn't always that biased towards the hometown fighter, it is often said that you need a ko to get a draw over there but I actually think that Sturm has had a rough time of it throughout his career. This is funny because after he was robbed a bit against De La Hoya, he has never left Germany, presumably so he doesn't get a dodgy decision against him again. However, in this time beat Macklin by a split decision which I thought was fair but others threw their toys out the pram for, a draw against Murray which I thought he won, a loss to Geale which I scored a draw and a loss to Soliman (the first time obviously) which I scored 115-113 for Sturm.
If one judge is on the payroll but the other two are not competent enough to give him rounds he deserves then at minimum it balances it out and at worst he is getting slightly screwed