Please Explain Your Scoring

[TheWigwam]

I scored the fight 115-113 to Floyd but have not watched the fight since watching it live at a packed out student union. I wanted Pacquiao to win as a fan but I don't dislike Floyd and had a small bet on him to win. Also, most of the SU were casual Pac-man fans who vociferously showed their support all night by whooping and clapping everytime Pacquiao launched his little bursts. I mention this for context because I feel that I am normally pretty good at scoring fights, however my circumstances were unique for this one and I may have been caught up in the event slightly.

My main reason for the score was that I felt Manny's defense was better than people gave him credit for, I thought he made Floyd miss a lot and also blocked many of his shots, this led to a few rounds where barely anything was landed; making them very close. I can see the score being anywhere from around 116-112 to Floyd to 115-114 to Floyd, the latter of which would have been my score for the night, but 30 seconds or so after a round a gave split, I decided Floyd just edged it.

I think that it was the second round which makes my score different to most as I gave it to Pac-man, most gave it to Floyd and had I done so I would have had it 116-112 to Money.

I'll have to re-watch the fight to be sure

Very reasonable - I agree with of most of this - perhaps we should be judges?!

Haha maybe, although it could easily mean we are BOTH wrong

[Gazmac81]

i used a scoring app for first time and to be honest i had it close - 116 -115

that said i had 3 rounds even but i couldnt argue that those rounds were deserved by Pacman in anyway as nothing was happening .

i was suprised that i had it close as overall going into the last round i though floyd really deserves this.

Rounds - 1 / 2 / 5 / 11 / 12 to mayweather

rounds - 4 / 6 / 8 /10 - to pacman

Rounds - 3 / 7 / 9 -Even

[Ricky_]

i used a scoring app for first time and to be honest i had it close - 116 -115

that said i had 3 rounds even but i couldnt argue that those rounds were deserved by Pacman in anyway as nothing was happening .

Then why does Mayweather deserve them? This always gets me with Floyd fights, it's like every second of inactivity by default goes to Mayweather.

[koolkc107]

i used a scoring app for first time and to be honest i had it close - 116 -115

that said i had 3 rounds even but i couldnt argue that those rounds were deserved by Pacman in anyway as nothing was happening .

Then why does Mayweather deserve them? This always gets me with Floyd fights, it's like every second of inactivity by default goes to Mayweather.

Rickster, he didn't give them to Floyd, he scored them even.

I can't see how anyone could score rd 8 for Pac after watching the whole round.

Yes, he won the first minute of the round with a couple of flurries.

But Mayweather dominated the next 2 minutes and landed the best punches of the round, some wicked hooks that had Manny backing off noticeably.

I also found rounds 3, 7, and 9 pretty easy to score for Floyd. Manny was just to passive and it was very apparent that Mayweather was outjabbing and outpunching him.

Again, I am trying to figure out what some of you were watching.

I am trying to see what you guys saw.

[Pureist]

just gone through rounds 2 and 3 at 1/4 speed, round 2 floyd threw48 punches connected with 7, 3 were soft body rips while holding pacquaio in a clinch,pac threw 34 and landed with 7-------- round 3 floyd threw 31 punches and landed 4, pacquaio also threw 31 and landed 8, also hunted floyd for majority of round, both rounds floyd mainly going backwards or sidewards

Don't know what you and others are counting as landed punches.

Just did the same thing you did and found Compubox pretty accurate for this fight.

I do grant that they can get things wrong...

I'm scoring landed punches as punches that landed, pretty simple really, both have fast hands, sometimes punches appear to land where they don't,compubox is right off but all the floyd enters love quoting their numbers because they favor him

[Pureist]

just gone through rounds 2 and 3 at 1/4 speed, round 2 floyd threw48 punches connected with 7, 3 were soft body rips while holding pacquaio in a clinch,pac threw 34 and landed with 7-------- round 3 floyd threw 31 punches and landed 4, pacquaio also threw 31 and landed 8, also hunted floyd for majority of round, both rounds floyd mainly going backwards or sidewards

Don't know what you and others are counting as landed punches.

Just did the same thing you did and found Compubox pretty accurate for this fight.

I do grant that they can get things wrong...

I'm scoring landed punches as punches that landed, pretty simple really, both have fast hands, sometimes punches appear to land where they don't,compubox is right off but all the floydettes love quoting their numbers because they favor him

[KBB]

I'm scoring landed punches as punches that landed, pretty simple really, both have fast hands, sometimes punches appear to land where they don't,compubox is right off but all the floydettes love quoting their numbers because they favor him

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[Pureist]

^^^^^your younger than I thought you were kbb, don't worry, you will understand how boxing works one day, could you comprehend the info for rounds 2 and 3, or was it to complex for your tiny little brain

[KBB]

^^^^^your younger than I thought you were kbb, don't worry, you will understand how boxing works one day, could you comprehend the info for rounds 2 and 3, or was it to complex for your tiny little brain

I've found one thing for sure about you; no matter how much logic and facts are presented to you that you merely continue to hold on to what you believe even though you know it's wrong, so logically there's little point in debating with you because you just dismiss anything factual and start another argument using your failed logic.

It's pointless and fruitless to debate with you.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

Please koolkc107 I cannot take you serious if you keep bringing up punch stat's that are not accurate the reason I say NOT ACCURATE is because
there are quite a few PUNCH STAT'S DOING THE ROUND'S WE ALL CAN'T BELIEVE YOUR FAVOURITE TOOL TO JUDGE A FIGHT[ enough of the caps lock] boxpunch stat's or what ever it's called ,can this thing judge who his running and hitting/ who punching harder / who is the aggressor......etc etc etc etc ........ :?? I don't think so and highlighting or compairing Morettis score isn't going to cut it he didn't give Manny either of round's 9/10 when both round's were won by Manny even the other 2 judge's[Feldman/Clements] gave round's 9/10 to Manny
any-one that believes Manny didn't win atleast 4 round's is no judge..........and why would I give you round for round or explain my scoring
when you have already shot my opinion down

[Pureist]

The numbers aren't even close Clive, you would know yourself that a lot of casual fans think that punches land often when they actually don't, then these compubox stats get bandied around by casuals like koolpop and kbb as factual, when infact they're fantasy, these guys are one eyed groupies, not fans whom have very little knowledge, a little bit of knowledge can be a very dangerous thing

[Chepppaaa]

i used a scoring app for first time and to be honest i had it close - 116 -115

that said i had 3 rounds even but i couldnt argue that those rounds were deserved by Pacman in anyway as nothing was happening .

i was suprised that i had it close as overall going into the last round i though floyd really deserves this.

Rounds - 1 / 2 / 5 / 11 / 12 to mayweather

rounds - 4 / 6 / 8 /10 - to pacman

Rounds - 3 / 7 / 9 -Even

i had it 116:115 for manny, cause of point deductionf or excessive holding by floyd and floyd giving up the last round for to much running, but i also like your score, very close fight.

some could argue floyd didnt do enough and lost

some could argue floyd landed more presice punches and controlled the fight

some could say both werent doing enoug, draw

[Gazmac81]

i stuck five pounds on the draw so i was hoping that came up in the end but i have no complaints about the result

bit dissapointed in the fact i thought Pacquio could cause more problems than he did , im sure they will do it all over again next year , so much money to be made.

the thing with the scoring app is that ie - with the burns fight i had it very close but then i hear the commentators and see there scorecards and i think shit ive got this totally wrong( ie im biased to burns) but i really shouldnt think like that as lot of people thought the same.

i used a scoring app for first time and to be honest i had it close - 116 -115

that said i had 3 rounds even but i couldnt argue that those rounds were deserved by Pacman in anyway as nothing was happening .

i was suprised that i had it close as overall going into the last round i though floyd really deserves this.

Rounds - 1 / 2 / 5 / 11 / 12 to mayweather

rounds - 4 / 6 / 8 /10 - to pacman

Rounds - 3 / 7 / 9 -Even

i had it 116:115 for manny, cause of point deductionf or excessive holding by floyd and floyd giving up the last round for to much running, but i also like your score, very close fight.

some could argue floyd didnt do enough and lost

some could argue floyd landed more presice punches and controlled the fight

some could say both werent doing enoug, draw

[man]

I just rewatched the fight for the first time. British commentary (who seemed ridiculously biased towards Floyd, particularly early in the fight) turned on, as painful as it was at times.

Round 1 - Mayweather very clear - threw more, landed more, Pacquiao did little
Round 2 - Pacquiao close, swing round - could reasonably be scored for either fighter
Round 3 - Pacquiao close but clear - neither landed anything meaningful, but Manny's aggression and activity win it for me, I think you have to be very generous to Floyd to give him this one
Round 4 - Pacquiao dominant
Round 5 - Mayweather dominant
Round 6 - Pacquiao clear, threw more and landed the harder punches
Round 7 - Even round - Swing round. Mayweather threw more but was very innacurate, Manny landed the crisper punches, but didn't throw enough.
Round 8 - Mayweather clear, competitive early, but Floyd clearly outboxed and landed him over the last minute
Round 9 - Mayweather close, swing round - similar to round 8 but Manny did a bit better and you could give it to him on activity, though I don't
Round 10 - Pacquiao close - Swing round, Manny missing a lot, Floyd not throwing many meaningful punches.
Round 11 - Mayweather clear - beautiful counterpunching from Floyd, though neither landed anything meaningful
Round 12 - Mayweather clear - Floyd was very negative late in the round, but clearly outboxed Manny for most of the round

Final scorecard: Mayweather 115-114

Looking back at my first scoring of the fight, I originally scored round 12 for Manny, but I admit I got this wrong and was probably swayed by the crowd and Floyd's lack of punches in the final minute. I don't remember the rest of my original RBR for the final six rounds.

very reasonable scoring for me.

[KBB]

very reasonable scoring for me.

Sour Grapes and Sore Losers

[NateJR]

The purpose of this particular thread is to explain your scoring while supplying real facts on how you felt Pacquiao should have been rewarded certain rounds. What I've witnessed thus far is people flat out lying to come up with rounds for Pacquiao that he simply didn't win. It seems some on here will claim that every punch Floyd landed was ineffective, while all of Pacquiaos missed punches won him the fight. That pretty much sums it up.

[greg]

very reasonable scoring for me.

Sour Grapes and Sore Losers

...ever occurred to you there are more than enough boxing fans who tried to score the fight the best way they could and NOT caring one way or other for BOTH guys?

[KBB]

...ever occurred to you there are more than enough boxing fans who tried to score the fight the best way they could and NOT caring one way or other for BOTH guys?

Has it ever occurred to you that these same guys here crying about this bout almost 2 weeks later are just trying to do this to justify why their boy lost??

Case closed.

[Monte Fisto]

The purpose of this particular thread is to explain your scoring while supplying real facts on how you felt Pacquiao should have been rewarded certain rounds. What I've witnessed thus far is people flat out lying to come up with rounds for Pacquiao that he simply didn't win. It seems some on here will claim that every punch Floyd landed was ineffective, while all of Pacquiaos missed punches won him the fight. That pretty much sums it up.

stop with all the facts nate

[koolkc107]

The purpose of this particular thread is to explain your scoring while supplying real facts on how you felt Pacquiao should have been rewarded certain rounds. What I've witnessed thus far is people flat out lying to come up with rounds for Pacquiao that he simply didn't win. It seems some on here will claim that every punch Floyd landed was ineffective, while all of Pacquiaos missed punches won him the fight. That pretty much sums it up.

This! (bolded).

I am trying to find out why some folks think Pac won rounds he clearly lost.

And I don't think Compubox is always accurate. I have actually questioned its accuracy many times.

But when the Compubox matches up round by round to how the judges at ringside scored, you have to take the stats seriously.

Again, the judges don't see Compubox, they see the fight. And they score it overwhelmingly for Mayweather.

And so did 99% of the folks watching not named Stevie wonder.

Both Compubox and the judges agree for this particular fight.

So I need Pac fans to tell us all what we didn't see.

That is why I asked for specifics.

[KBB]

The purpose of this particular thread is to explain your scoring while supplying real facts on how you felt Pacquiao should have been rewarded certain rounds. What I've witnessed thus far is people flat out lying to come up with rounds for Pacquiao that he simply didn't win. It seems some on here will claim that every punch Floyd landed was ineffective, while all of Pacquiaos missed punches won him the fight. That pretty much sums it up.

This! (bolded).

I am trying to find out why some folks think Pac won rounds he clearly lost.

And I don't think Compubox is always accurate. I have actually questioned its accuracy many times.

But when the Compubox matches up round by round to how the judges at ringside scored, you have to take the stats seriously.

Again, the judges don't see Compubox, they see the fight. And they score it overwhelmingly for Mayweather.

And so did 99% of the folks watching not named Stevie wonder.

Both Compubox and the judges agree for this particular fight.

So I need Pac fans to tell us all what we didn't see.

That is why I asked for specifics.

Kool, these same idiots that you are asking this question are the same idiots that somehow have me, you and Nate confused and somehow think we are the same persons because we have different ideas from them but we could easily say the same for them.

They are Pacquiao worshippers and really that is the only answer that is required, they will never see the truth in this because they are too biased and too BUTTHURT that their hero lost this fight easily.

[koolkc107]

The purpose of this particular thread is to explain your scoring while supplying real facts on how you felt Pacquiao should have been rewarded certain rounds. What I've witnessed thus far is people flat out lying to come up with rounds for Pacquiao that he simply didn't win. It seems some on here will claim that every punch Floyd landed was ineffective, while all of Pacquiaos missed punches won him the fight. That pretty much sums it up.

This! (bolded).

I am trying to find out why some folks think Pac won rounds he clearly lost.

And I don't think Compubox is always accurate. I have actually questioned its accuracy many times.

But when the Compubox matches up round by round to how the judges at ringside scored, you have to take the stats seriously.

Again, the judges don't see Compubox, they see the fight. And they score it overwhelmingly for Mayweather.

And so did 99% of the folks watching not named Stevie wonder.

Both Compubox and the judges agree for this particular fight.

So I need Pac fans to tell us all what we didn't see.

That is why I asked for specifics.

Kool, these same idiots that you are asking this question are the same idiots that somehow have me, you and Nate confused and somehow think we are the same persons because we have different ideas from them but we could easily say the same for them.

They are Pacquiao worshippers and really that is the only answer that is required, they will never see the truth in this because they are too biased and too BUTTHURT that their hero lost this fight easily.

I have decided that they cannot be wrong, KBB.

We must be the same person.

'Cause if we aren't, that means they are even more idiotic than the takes they are trying to advance as far as Manny actually winning or the fight being close.

Oh wait...

[Marky_Marc]

I'll explain my scoring..Mayweather Won.

Hope that was as "Detailed as possible" for your ass

[koolkc107]

I'll explain my scoring..Mayweather Won.

Hope that was as "Detailed as possible" for your ass

For a guy that just lost a quarter million on a bet no sane person had any right making?

Yeah Holmes, that's plenty detailed enough.

[jezzamundo]

very reasonable scoring for me.

Sour Grapes and Sore Losers

You're being immature - I've explained my scoring of the fight and why I think it was close. I've never cried robbery or blamed the result on Manny's shoulder. We disagree on the scoring - fair enough- it's hardly surprising in a low action fight with few meaningful punches landed by either fighter. Not everyone who had the fight close is a 'Pactard', scoring in boxing can be quite subjective and there is often a large range of difference of opinion.