Chavez SR

[world ranked]

I heard Chavez Sr had a loss taken off his career early and counted as a amateur fight. Has anyone else heard about this and does someone knows who the opponent was. That fraudelent activity if true.....

[crusader]

Are you thinking of his fight with Miguel Ruiz?

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Fight:13914

BOXING: Chavez's 68-0 Appears Spotless, but Blemish From '81 Remains
By Earl Gustkey
March 13, 1990
Los Angeles Times

It's difficult to determine exactly what happened or why, but in 1981, when Chavez was still fighting in his hometown of Culiacan, Mexico, someone decided to tamper with history.

On April 3 of that year, when he was 11-0, Chavez fought Miguel Ruiz at Culiacan. At or shortly after the bell ending the first round, Chavez apparently knocked out Ruiz. The referee declared Chavez the loser on a first-round disqualification.

Four years later, that's just how it wound up in the Ring record book, which shows it: "L disq 1." But other editions?

--According to the 1983 and 1984 Ring books, the fight never happened. It was simply deleted.

--In the 1986-87 Ring book, the date of Chavez-Ruiz was changed to Oct. 13, 1980, and the result shows Chavez the winner: "KO 1."

None of this is meant to lessen Chavez's achievements. He really is a marvelous fighter. He's legitimately 16-0 in championship fights and might be, as his people claim, the best fighter in the world, pound for pound.

It's simply presented to illustrate the fact that record keeping in boxing is the worst in sports. Many believe that boxing needs a designated primary record-keeping data bank.

In this case, at least three boxing record keepers list Chavez as 67-1.

Dick Mastro of Los Angeles has been keeping boxing records for decades. His theory is that Chavez's loss was expunged to preserve a great young prospect's unbeaten record.

"Someone obviously decided that it would be a shame to leave that loss on his record so it was decided to just get rid of it," Mastro said.

"I've carried that loss on his record ever since--it's the promoters and the press that keep calling him unbeaten."

Pugilato, the Italian world boxing record book, also shows Chavez at 67-1, according to Mastro.

Dean Lohuis, another Southern California boxing statistician, lists Chavez at 68-0.

"No matter what the motives, the Culiacan Boxing Commission did officially reverse the outcome of that fight," Lohuis said. "If the California commission reversed an outcome here, no matter what the reason, I'd treat it the same way."

Bob Yalen of ABC's boxing staff was assigned several years back to look into that 1981 fight.

"It was officially overturned the next day by the Culiacan Commission and changed to a KO-1 for Chavez," Yalen said. "The official reason was that the commission ruled Chavez had not hit the guy after the bell, as the referee ruled. I also found out that Chavez's manager, (the late) Ramon Felix, was on the Culiacan commission at the time.

"Whatever you want to make of it, the result was officially overturned so we called him unbeaten when we televised one of his fights."

Mastro said that no commission can overturn a referee's judgment call. He cites a 1952 New York State Supreme Court case involving a Joey Giardello fight. According to Mastro, the court ruled that the New York State Athletic Commission had no authority to overturn a referee's judgment call.

"That's an important legal concept in boxing, that you can't overturn a referee's judgment call," Mastro said. "And its intent is to keep politics out of boxing."

Ralph Citro of Blackwood, N.Y., who publishes an annual boxing record book, Computer Boxing Update, calls Chavez 67-1.

"The referee disqualified Chavez in that fight, and that's how I've always carried it," he said. "I got it from a very good Culiacan source that that reversal was wrong, that it should never have happened."

[littlepug]

Only heard about DQ Loss early on that was overturned for some reason

[palooka]

I remember reading an Eric Armit 'Around The World' article in boxing news in the 80's and this was discussed.

[Monte Fisto]

i briefly met him in vegas 2 weeks ago, if he told me to take off one of his defeats, i'd take it off!! Chavez Sr is one scary looking mofo!

[expe]

If the commission changed it then it goes down as a win on his record, Dick Mastro's argument based on the legal ruling is baseless because it was in Mexico, so the outcome of a US court case has no influence and Mike Tyson's win over Jesse Ferguson was initially a DQ and was changed to a TKO afterwards and Ralph Citro's source is irrelevant because it was reversed, whether rightly or wrongly.

[palooka]

i briefly met him in vegas 2 weeks ago, if he told me to take off one of his defeats, i'd take it off!! Chavez Sr is one scary looking mofo!

His head looks like a sculpture - he just looks so solid and hard.

[Rexob]

I heard Chavez Sr had a loss taken off his career early and counted as a amateur fight. Has anyone else heard about this and does someone knows who the opponent was. That fraudelent activity if true.....

Who cares?

[Monte Fisto]

i briefly met him in vegas 2 weeks ago, if he told me to take off one of his defeats, i'd take it off!! Chavez Sr is one scary looking mofo!

His head looks like a sculpture - he just looks so solid and hard.

He has those eyes. He ready to throw down at a moments notice! Ledge
I saw Ed Robinson ask for a picture with him and he duly obliged and smiled, and then went straight back into menacing mode, completely not deliberate.

[Evander]

I recall hearing about this, mind you Chavez was the recipient of a number of questionable outcomes.

[kidbazooka1]

i briefly met him in vegas 2 weeks ago, if he told me to take off one of his defeats, i'd take it off!! Chavez Sr is one scary looking mofo!

His head looks like a sculpture - he just looks so solid and hard.

He has those eyes. He ready to throw down at a moments notice! Ledge
I saw Ed Robinson ask for a picture with him and he duly obliged and smiled, and then went straight back into menacing mode, completely not deliberate.

Chavez Sr had an abnormally thick cranium which was discovered in the late 80's during a cat scan, the man was a tank.

If ever there was a natural born fighter it was chavez Sr.

[Monte Fisto]

His head looks like a sculpture - he just looks so solid and hard.[/quote]

He has those eyes. He ready to throw down at a moments notice! Ledge
I saw Ed Robinson ask for a picture with him and he duly obliged and smiled, and then went straight back into menacing mode, completely not deliberate.[/quote]

Chavez Sr had an abnormally thick cranium which was discovered in the late 80's during a cat scan, the man was a tank.

If ever there was a natural born fighter it was chavez Sr.[/quote]

Didn't Marvellous Marvin also have the extra thick skull?? A Brucie Bonus if your a fighter

[kidbazooka1]

Not sure if Hagler did aswell but wouldn't be surprised if he did.

Chavez sr and Hagler arguably had the best chins in the history of boxing or should i say skulls.

The shots that those two could take without even blinking was unreal.

[Monte Fisto]

I think I read it in the book four kings. He had a scan as an amateur and he effectively had a skull like a helmet. Hearns thought he broke his hand when he struck it! Lol

Chavez vs hagler in a nut off

[kidbazooka1]

I think I read it in the book four kings. He had a scan as an amateur and he effectively had a skull like a helmet. Hearns thought he broke his hand when he struck it! Lol

Chavez vs hagler in a nut off

Yea several fighters were reported at the time breaking there hands hitting Julio's head.

[palooka]

In the 80's Julio looked like a little boy.