Floyd Mayweather / Dave Moretti

[Ricky_]

Dave Moretti who turned in that laughably corrupt scorecard of 118-110 for Floyd v Pac judged his first Floyd Mayweather fight in 2005 vs Arturo Gatti.

Since then he's been drawn to judge Floyd fights another 9 times (that's 9 out of 14).

He's also been drawn to judge Mayweather in the last 4 fights in a row.

Bizarrely he was recalled to judge the Madaina rematch after the controversial scoring in the first one.... even though he was 1 of 2 judges to score wide for Floyd causing the controversy in the first place, finding 8 rounds for Floyd 116-112.

Since Floyd moved to Showtime, Moretti has judged every bout with the exception of the first, Robert Guerrero.

Floyd Fights Moretti judged:

Pacquaio
Maidana 2
Madana 1
Alvarez
Cotto
Mosley
Marquez
Hatton
Zab Judah
Arturo Gatti

Is there an explanation why Moretti is continually drawn to judge Floyd fights, putting together 3 & 4 streaks in row? (Hatton/Marquez/Mosley & Alvarez/Maidanax2/Pac)?

Is it something to do with his seemingly favorable scoring towards Floyd in fights such as Cotto, Maidana 1 & Pacquiao?

Is this another example of things going the home fighters way such as Floyd's constant drawing of Joe Cortez & Kenny Bayless who seem happy to allow Floyd to clinch but won't let his opponents fight on the outside?

Aren't the drawing of judges & ref's supposed to be random as to not favor any 1 fighter?

[Pureist]

I personally think that none of the judges should be from any of the fighters country of origin in any WT

[beatdown337]

manny lost, get over it

[KBB]

Manny LOST and they still won't let it go, everyday a new post about scorecards, Refs, judges, Floyd's mother, his cat, his dog, his bank account.

LOL, I'm loving it like McDonald's reading the weeping willows and their pathetic cries because their lying and cheating boy Manny Pacquiao LOST.

Keep crying ladies, your menstrual cycles will never end.

[Pureist]

Well we know Floyd has dealt with a tainted win before against Castillo, now he has 2. Bayless and Moretti will comfort him I'm sure

[handsofstone]

Its looking like the MayPac obsession on CS aftermath will last as long as the build up

[KBB]

Well we know Floyd has dealt with a tainted win before against Castillo, now he has 2. Bayless and Moretti will comfort him I'm sure

Cry, cry, cry.....you sound like a little biatch. Floyd WON!! Easily, I might add!

[caldo2025]

That's completely normal ha? Moretti has judged 10 out of Floyd's last 15 fights. Can you imagine? Think about how pathetic that is.

So Floyd picks the venue, the ref and at least one of the judges. The only way you beat Floyd is by a knockout and since he never gets close enough to another boxer in the ring, he's all set. LOL...it's really laughable and boxing should be ashamed.

Even buttboy Floydboy KBB can admit that's a little fishy. I mean, if KBB had some pride and could look at something honestly instead of letting has fandom blind his view. Imagine if they fought in Manny's hometown by his favorite ref and a judge that has ruled in his favor every time by crazy scores? Another strike against Floyd residing on any all time great list.

Floyd will just be remembered as another fighter buddy and probably behind bars within a few years for hitting another woman or something. I wonder if he runs around the woman before hitting her or if he chances it and stands toe to toe? He probably runs while Baylis makes sure the woman doesn't use her elbows and Moretti's slirrping up some spaghetti at the kitchen table keeping one eye on the action like it matters, he knows which way he's gonna score. Joke.

[Badhusker]

First its the ref (who has reffed more Pac fights than May) then the shoulder (Pac could have mentioned it right after the fight instead of saying he won) now it's one of the judges? Guess what - all three judges, and a huge majority of fans and experts thought Floyd won. By how much doesn't matter.

Pacquiao and many of his fans, instead of showing the sport some respect, continue to make excuses, make up lies, and continue to make themselves look like poor losers. Nothing new though. (Remember JMM's "lucky" punch?)

Let's move on, and forget about both Mayweather and Pacquiao - at least until they get another fight lined up. Pacquiao's team and some fans are so stupid. Floyd was ready and more than willing to grant a rematch that would have made them millions....not as many as the first, but their disrespect will net them $0. Instead of having a chance to redeem themselves, Mayweather will now go down in history as without a doubt better then Pacquiao.

[KBB]

Your stats are wrong.

Floyd Mayweather has competed in the state of Nevada twenty three times, with nine of those bouts being officially judged by Dave Moretti, who also judged one of Money May’s bouts in New Jersey (versus Zab Judah), which takes his tally to ten.

Manny Pacquiao has competed seventeen times in the state of Nevada, with seven of those bouts being officially judged by Dave Moretti. He believed that both Erik Morales and Floyd Mayweather defeated the Filipino and his scores for both contests concurred with mine.

In terms of bouts that Dave Moretti officiated in the state of Nevada, he has been the official judge for 41.18% of Manny’s fights and 39.13% of Floyd’s.

There’s no controversy, no favouritism and no suggestion of any corruption! You just need to get over the fact that your man (Manny Pacquiao) is not the finest boxer of our generation, as he was defeated by Floyd Mayweather Jr. by a rather comfortable margin.

He is wrong 99.9% of the time but that won't stop him because he is used to saying the lies just as Manny and Arum are; it's funny how they are all alike. This dude/girl (Ricky/Vicky) is the most BUTTHURT out of all the Packy fans along with Caldo and a few others here who are continually starting thread after thread with everything from their own fake ass punchstats to excuses about Manny's shoulder injury to justify either why their boy lost or why they make believe he won.

It's both funny and sad to see that it is weeks afterwards and they are still at it, I imagine this forum will be forever tainted with their inability to accept the reality that they cannot change.

Next they'll be here blaming the Timekeeper and saying how he shortened the rounds to favor Floyd. It never stops with them, some really sad and sick obsession.

[Ricky_]

Your stats are wrong.

Floyd Mayweather has competed in the state of Nevada twenty three times, with nine of those bouts being officially judged by Dave Moretti, who also judged one of Money May’s bouts in New Jersey (versus Zab Judah), which takes his tally to ten.

Manny Pacquiao has competed seventeen times in the state of Nevada, with seven of those bouts being officially judged by Dave Moretti. He believed that both Erik Morales and Floyd Mayweather defeated the Filipino and his scores for both contests concurred with mine.

In terms of bouts that Dave Moretti officiated in the state of Nevada, he has been the official judge for 41.18% of Manny’s fights and 39.13% of Floyd’s.

There’s no controversy, no favouritism and no suggestion of any corruption! You just need to get over the fact that your man (Manny Pacquiao) is not the finest boxer of our generation, as he was defeated by Floyd Mayweather Jr. by a rather comfortable margin.

Nope nothing was wrong, and your post contributed nothing other than to suggest you agreed with Moretti in scoring Pacquiao defeats (well there's a surpise, brut), minutes later you quote your own post from another account agreeing with yourself. You're special.

[Ricky_]

Your stats are wrong.

Floyd Mayweather has competed in the state of Nevada twenty three times, with nine of those bouts being officially judged by Dave Moretti, who also judged one of Money May’s bouts in New Jersey (versus Zab Judah), which takes his tally to ten.

Manny Pacquiao has competed seventeen times in the state of Nevada, with seven of those bouts being officially judged by Dave Moretti. He believed that both Erik Morales and Floyd Mayweather defeated the Filipino and his scores for both contests concurred with mine.

In terms of bouts that Dave Moretti officiated in the state of Nevada, he has been the official judge for 41.18% of Manny’s fights and 39.13% of Floyd’s.

There’s no controversy, no favouritism and no suggestion of any corruption! You just need to get over the fact that your man (Manny Pacquiao) is not the finest boxer of our generation, as he was defeated by Floyd Mayweather Jr. by a rather comfortable margin.

Nope nothing was wrong, and your post contributed nothing other than to suggest you agreed with Moretti in scoring Pacquiao defeats...

Prove me wrong then! Go on, I dare you!

wow 3 lol faces, hilarious post, man. Prove you wrong that your wrong in stating my stats were wrong? My stats aren't wrong and sourced from boxrec

Here have some lol's

[Badhusker]

Pacquiao and his excuses now seem to be so ironic - he ducked a fight with Floyd a few years ago because he was afraid of needles, now he blames the loss on not being able to get a needle (pain killer shot) before the fight. But wait, his lawyer said his shoulder was fine before the fight so he can't be sued, and he hurt it during the fight? wtf?

[Ricky_]

wow 3 lol faces, hilarious post, man. Prove you wrong that your wrong in stating my stats were wrong? My stats aren't wrong and sourced from boxrec

Here have some lol's

Here are the stats taken directly from BoxRec (for the bouts that Manny and Floyd competed in the state of Nevada):

Floyd Mayweather:
02/05/2015: Manny Pacquiao *
13/09/2014: Marcos Rene Maidana *
03/05/2014: Marcos Rene Maidana *
14/09/2013: Saul Alvarez *
04/05/2013: Robert Guerrero
05/05/2012: Miguel Cotto *
17/09/2011: Victor Ortiz
01/05/2010: Shane Mosley *
19/09/2009: Juan Manuel Marquez *
08/12/2007: Ricky Hatton *
05/05/2007: Oscar De La Hoya
04/11/2006: Carlos Manuel Baldomir
08/04/2006: Zab Judah *
07/12/2002: Jose Luis Castillo
20/04/2002: Jose Luis Castillo
20/01/2001: Diego Corrales
18/03/2000: Gregorio Vargas
11/09/1999: Carlos Gerena
22/05/1999: Justin Juuko
03/10/1998: Genaro Hernandez
09/05/1997: Tony Duran
12/04/1997: Bobby Giepert
18/01/1997: Jerry Cooper

Manny Pacquiao:
02/05/2015: Floyd Mayweather Jr *
12/04/2014: Timothy Bradley Jr
08/12/2012: Juan Manuel Marquez
09/06/2012: Timothy Bradley Jr
12/11/2011: Juan Manuel Marquez *
07/05/2011: Shane Mosley *
14/11/2009: Miguel Cotto *
02/05/2009: Ricky Hatton
06/12/2008: Oscar De La Hoya *
28/06/2008: David Diaz
15/03/2008: Juan Manuel Marquez
06/10/2007: Marco Antonio Barrera
18/11/2006: Erik Morales
21/01/2006: Erik Morales *
19/03/2005: Erik Morales *
08/05/2004: Juan Manuel Marquez
23/06/2001: Lehlo Ledwaba

Note: The asterisk symbol (*) denotes bouts that Dave Moretti was one of the official judges.

To reiterate and summarise what I’ve previously stated, which concurs to the above lists:
• Floyd Mayweather has competed in the state of Nevada twenty three times, with nine of those bouts being officially judged by Dave Moretti, who also judged one of Money May’s bouts in New Jersey (versus Zab Judah), which takes his tally to ten overall
• Manny Pacquiao has competed seventeen times in the state of Nevada, with seven of those bouts being officially judged by Dave Moretti
• In terms of bouts that Dave Moretti officiated in the state of Nevada, he has been the official judge for 41.18% of Manny’s fights and 39.13% of Floyd’s

So now that I’ve proven that your stats are complete and utter nonsense, do you care to retract your comments?

You've made 2 very long and very boring posts but you've yet to tell my which of my stats you are disputing?

[HyacinthusTurnipseed]

To be honest I wanted Pac to beat Floyd when the fight was made but I don't think the OP has much of a case here. After all, how many here scored Pac-Marquez III as a win for Manny? How many people here scored four rounds for Alvarez vs. Mayweather? Unless you want to posit some kind of elaborate conspiracy theory, I don't think you can claim Moretti is anything other than a fairly mediocre but fair judge.

[Ricky_]

To be honest I wanted Pac to beat Floyd when the fight was made but I don't think the OP has much of a case here. After all, how many here scored Pac-Marquez III as a win for Manny? How many people here scored four rounds for Alvarez vs. Mayweather? Unless you want to posit some kind of elaborate conspiracy theory, I don't think you can claim Moretti is anything other than a fairly mediocre but fair judge.

Let me ask you this, is it right that a fighter draws the same judge in 4 world title fights in a row?

[HyacinthusTurnipseed]

To be honest I wanted Pac to beat Floyd when the fight was made but I don't think the OP has much of a case here. After all, how many here scored Pac-Marquez III as a win for Manny? How many people here scored four rounds for Alvarez vs. Mayweather? Unless you want to posit some kind of elaborate conspiracy theory, I don't think you can claim Moretti is anything other than a fairly mediocre but fair judge.

Let me ask you this, is it right that a fighter draws the same judge in 4 world title fights in a row?

I suppose it isn't ideal, but I don't see that it inherently favours Floyd either way.

[Ricky_]

6-0 Gatti
8-4 Zab
8-1 Hatton
11-1 Marquez
11-1 Mosley
9-3 Cotto
8-4 Alvarez
8-4 Maidana
8-3 Maidana 2
10-2 Pacquiao


Total over 10 Floyd fights Moretti has scored 87 rounds for Floyd & just 23 against. Most notably however he's given wide Floyd scores in Hatton, Cotto, Maidana 1 & Pacquiao in what were 4 close & competitive fights.

Boxing scoring is subjective and going by Moretti's scoring he clearly like Floyd's style of boxing, scoring Maidana 1 for instance much wider than most press & pundits scored the bout. That's why it's suspect that Mayweather continually draws Moretti, currently on a 4-fight streak with Moretti at his judging table.

[Ricky_]

You've made 2 very long and very boring posts but you've yet to tell my which of my stats you are disputing?

I believe the use of your stats to be wholly inappropriate and you’ve misrepresented the facts in order to fulfil your agenda.

So rather than taking your carefully-selected sample as a “gospel” version of reality, when you look at the proverbial “big picture” and consider the entire records of both men, the categorical and irrefutable “truth” of the actual situation suggests that Dave Moretti has proportionately judged as many Pacquiao fights as he has done for Mayweather’s.

Dave Moretti resides in Nevada and since March 2005, he was the official judge for sixteen of the 28 combined total fights that Manny & Floyd participated in (for bouts staged in that state).

So now you've changed you mind, you don't dispute my stats as being wrong as you previously stated, it's just how they are framed?

Do you not like how I only mentioned Floyd fights from Gatti onwards (from Moretti's first Floyd fight)?

PS. The Gatti fight was 2005. You just said at the end of your post that Moretti has resided in Vegas since 05. Thanks for bolstering my stats.

Since Moretti moved to Vegas in 2005 he's judged 10 of 14 Floyd fights.

I can't imagine anyone who is committed to seeing fairness & impartiality in boxing would condone the same judge racking up 3 & 4 fight streaks in a row judging the same champion.

[Ricky_]

I pose the question to any boxing fan who seeks impartiality, transparency, and fairness in the sport of boxing;


Is it right that a champion draws the same judge at a ratio of 80% (8 of Floyd's last 10 fights) in World Championship bouts?

[Srebmun]

If he's a professional, why not?

[KBB]

Why do you feel that it’s wrong? Can you prove that there is any bias or corrupt practices taking place?

Whenever Floyd and Manny compete in Vegas, a judge that actually resides in Nevada (Dave Moretti), usually judges their fights.

So you’re surprised about a judge that resides in Nevada, who has was worked on more than 850 bouts since 1977, the vast majority of which took place in Las Vegas, working on Manny & Floyd's contests that are also usually staged in Las Vegas?

Again, these guys are just grasping at straws. Like I said before, next they'll be blaming the Timekeeper.

[jamesmcdonnell]

My personal feeling is that it is not Pacquaio who came up with the shoulder excuses, but his team around him, who want to get another big payday against Floyd - and know that nobody except the most diehard of Pacquaio fans are going to stump up for that - so they need to recycle him.

I've don't recall Pacquaio making excuses when he lost before or being so ingracious, not even the loss against Bradley.

The ridiculous excuses people are coming up with is really quite mind boggling - even a fkucing child could see he lost that fight - so to suggest the officiating was off kilter is truly laughable - Pacquaio threw little, landed even less, and was never even remotely in control of the bout, the only times he had any success was when Floyd took his foot off of the gas. The judging if anything was generous to Pacquaio.

People need to face up to reality, Pacquaio simply was not good enough - he was completely bamboozled by Mayweather, who fought a very smart, if incredibly boring fight, and won without even really breaking a sweat. I said after 4 rounds the fight was done and that the pattern of the fight was set, and it proved to be right.

[KBB]

My personal feeling is that it is not Pacquaio who came up with the shoulder excuses, but his team around him, who want to get another big payday against Floyd - and know that nobody except the most diehard of Pacquaio fans are going to stump up for that - so they need to recycle him.

I've don't recall Pacquaio making excuses when he lost before or being so ingracious, not even the loss against Bradley.

The ridiculous excuses people are coming up with is really quite mind boggling - even a fkucing child could see he lost that fight - so to suggest the officiating was off kilter is truly laughable - Pacquaio threw little, landed even less, and was never even remotely in control of the bout, the only times he had any success was when Floyd took his foot off of the gas. The judging if anything was generous to Pacquaio.

People need to face up to reality, Pacquaio simply was not good enough - he was completely bamboozled by Mayweather, who fought a very smart, if incredibly boring fight, and won without even really breaking a sweat. I said after 4 rounds the fight was done and that the pattern of the fight was set, and it proved to be right.

Excellent breakdown!!

[jamesmcdonnell]

I pose the question to any boxing fan who seeks impartiality, transparency, and fairness in the sport of boxing;


Is it right that a champion draws the same judge at a ratio of 80% (8 of Floyd's last 10 fights) in World Championship bouts?

Why do you feel that it’s wrong? Can you prove that there is any bias or corrupt practices taking place?

Whenever Floyd and Manny compete in Vegas, a judge that actually resides in Nevada (Dave Moretti), usually judges their fights.

If Manny Pacquiao hadn’t recently chosen to compete in Macao (China) for tax avoidance reasons and fought in Las Vegas instead, then I’m sure that Dave Moretti would have worked on more of his bouts, especially considering his vast experience and proven track record.

So you’re genuinely surprised about a judge that resides in Nevada, who has was worked on more than 850 bouts since 1977, the vast majority of which took place in Las Vegas, working on Manny & Floyd's contests that are also usually staged in Las Vegas?

Precisely - it's not like there are hundreds of A-class judges available to judge world title fights, I'd wager there aren't more than 1000 worldwide, and probably significantly less.

Guess what, judges who want to work world title fights are probably either from, or going to move to Las Vegas - it's where the vast majority of the high profile, and well paid work is. I don't know how many judges the state of Nevada commission has , but I bet it is less than 100, and probably less than 50, so it should hardly be surprising that out of the 3 appointed one of them would be Morretti, who is one of the most experienced big fight judges out there.

It's simple bloody mathematics.