GGG options sadly limited

[cold187]

problem is other fighters and tv deals and promoters

Jacobs and Quillin are haymon people so them 2 are off the market
Taylor is in mental Rehab
Soliman - injured ?retired
Lemeiux/n'dam for ibf and if david wins, GBP will not put him in str8 away and milk it with ppl like munroe, rubio, Stevens etc

Cotto weren't fight GGG and Canelo in 2 years

Realistically for September his option from MW is Andy lee or Jorge Heiland

Outside chance of getting a LMW like Lara, Bundrage or Trout to come up.

[koolkc107]

He has plenty of options if he will fight a 168 pounder.

Problem is, he don't want no part of those options.

[Ricky_]

He has plenty of options if he will fight a 168 pounder.

Problem is, he don't want no part of those options.

Moving up in weight class is a career defining choice. Once he starts in the weight room adding another 10lb or so of lean muscle there's pretty much no going back from that.

If Golovkin moved to 168 is he guaranteed big fights? I don't see Ward saying he wants it and Froch has said previously Golovkins the kind of guy you avoid.

Golovkin is ruling the middleweight roost, 1 of the most prestigious division in the history of boxing. Not to mention that 3 of the 4 biggest draws in the sport either compete in his division or the 1 below him. Sure fighting Floyd probably has a 0% chance but getting Cotto or Canelo isn't off the table, it will be if he moves to 168.

[jockpunk]

Exactly. How much money is there in a ward fight anyway? So he goes up and fights ward, and then what? All of the other decent guys are with haymon assuming froch retires. He is much better off staying at 160 as a cotto or canelo fight will happen at some point. Both will be much, much bigger than a fight with ward which honestly ins't even ppv at this point.

[IRLangmaid25]

I was initally going to throw in Billy Joe Saunders and Chris Eubank Jnr, but those two could potentially be squaring off against each other in a stadium fight if Boxing News is going to be believed. Plus BJS is also mandatory for Andy Lee's WBO belt which could take BJS and Lee out of the equation.

[ikorolev]

It seems that Tureano Johnson, Jorge Heiland or Les Sherrington will be seriously considered as Golovkin’s next opponent.

People should refrain from discussing potential Golovkin fights against the likes of Mayweather, Lara, Canelo, Cotto, Froch, Ward and Hopkins, because none of those men will be facing GGG in September.

I also suggest that it’s a waste of effort considering other options for Golovkin, such as engaging in a catch-weight fight against an opponent competing in either the 154lb or 168lb weight-classes, because Tom Loeffler has already stated that GGG is a 160lb specialist that will only depart from that division to compete in big money fights against the biggest names the sport has to offer.

Therefore, we should all get highly-excited about the prospects of seeing Golovkin face the likes of Tureano Johnson, Jorge Heiland or Les Sherrington. Whoopee!

After Bernard took the Kovalev fight, I wouldn't rule him out. If HBO throws some money at them, Bhop vs GGG will happen.

[ikorolev]

Exactly. How much money is there in a ward fight anyway? So he goes up and fights ward, and then what? All of the other decent guys are with haymon assuming froch retires. He is much better off staying at 160 as a cotto or canelo fight will happen at some point. Both will be much, much bigger than a fight with ward which honestly ins't even ppv at this point.

He can't even fight Ward, because nobody seems to be willing to invest millions into that fight. RockNation is the only hope here.

[koolkc107]

I just don't buy into all this "most feared guy" crap.

It's been said before but it bears repeating.

If your main elite competition is on another network with another promoter, that doesn't mean the fight is impossible to make.

But it does mean that negotiations to make such a fight can take time.

When I see Golovkin name his next opponent 1 or 2 weeks after his last fight I know it is highly likely that no such negotiations were attempted.

We have seen several recent examples of fighters who are usually on one network showing up on the other.

I have no reason to thing Golovkin's case is any different.

His promoters don't want to do what it takes to make the big fights yet.

[klitoris]

Relax people. GGG has the WBC Interim. Cotto or Canelo can't run from him. WBC is corrupt and has dragged it on, but eventually the holder of that belt will need to fight Golovkin. And if any two of them vacate, they will be put into the "scum of the division" category along with Quillin.

Also there are still fights for him:
Winner of: Lemieux - N'Dam
Tureano Johnson
Jorge Heiland

Also some 154pounders can move up like:
Anthony Mundine: make money fight
Michel Soro: he's moving up to Middleweight. Solid french fighter and the fight would make sense in Monte Carlo.

[littlepug]

Why the hell should he move up ? he's a middleweight who wants to dominate the division what's wrong with that ? all this jumping around the weight classes is a bit unnecessary unless You genuinely can't make weight.

[cold187]

Why the hell should he move up ? he's a middleweight who wants to dominate the division what's wrong with that ? all this jumping around the weight classes is a bit unnecessary unless You genuinely can't make weight.

agree GGG goal is to get ALL belts, wladimir style

[ikorolev]

I just don't buy into all this "most feared guy" crap.

It's been said before but it bears repeating.

If your main elite competition is on another network with another promoter, that doesn't mean the fight is impossible to make.

But it does mean that negotiations to make such a fight can take time.

When I see Golovkin name his next opponent 1 or 2 weeks after his last fight I know it is highly likely that no such negotiations were attempted.

We have seen several recent examples of fighters who are usually on one network showing up on the other.

I have no reason to thing Golovkin's case is any different.

His promoters don't want to do what it takes to make the big fights yet.

Negotiations are being attempted non-stop when GGG is in his camp. By the time he wins his fight, it is already clear what available options are.

[Butterbean]

money talks. especially in this case. # 2 ~ 5 mw and including canelo, will want a big payday, as its more than likely a career changing fight to square off against ggg. People behind ggg should just acknowledge this and take a financial deficit/risk for a fight or two. They´ll need this for ggg to take that final step up in the eyes off the larger networks. I do not undrestand why canelo and cotto arent offered really big money for a fight. awesome fights, which i have no doubtd ggg would win, and they would further force bigger fish to look gggs way, or they´d lose face and marketability.

[koolkc107]

I just don't buy into all this "most feared guy" crap.

It's been said before but it bears repeating.

If your main elite competition is on another network with another promoter, that doesn't mean the fight is impossible to make.

But it does mean that negotiations to make such a fight can take time.

When I see Golovkin name his next opponent 1 or 2 weeks after his last fight I know it is highly likely that no such negotiations were attempted.

We have seen several recent examples of fighters who are usually on one network showing up on the other.

I have no reason to thing Golovkin's case is any different.

His promoters don't want to do what it takes to make the big fights yet.

Negotiations are being attempted non-stop when GGG is in his camp. By the time he wins his fight, it is already clear what available options are.

Bullcrap.

Maybe they reach out to Cotto and Canelo constantly, but aint no ongoing anything and they definitely haven't returned the calls of some guys who'd love nothing better than to get GiGi in the ring.

[ikorolev]

Negotiations are being attempted non-stop when GGG is in his camp. By the time he wins his fight, it is already clear what available options are.

Bullcrap.

Maybe they reach out to Cotto and Canelo constantly, but aint no ongoing anything and they definitely haven't returned the calls of some guys who'd love nothing better than to get GiGi in the ring.

Bullcrap is what you are saying without any reliable sources. Who are those guys who were ignored and who of them are even worth talking about ?

[koolkc107]

Bullcrap.

Maybe they reach out to Cotto and Canelo constantly, but aint no ongoing anything and they definitely haven't returned the calls of some guys who'd love nothing better than to get GiGi in the ring.

Bullcrap is what you are saying without any reliable sources. Who are those guys who were ignored and who of them are even worth talking about ?

I can do that.

But first, I need you to document your ASSertion that negotiations by K2 with anyone who is anyone is ongoing.

I'll wait...

[ikorolev]

With Ward vs Golovkin, NONE of the sides wants the fight if big money is not on the table. Don't you see the difference ?

[koolkc107]

That is the game K2 and Triple G have been playing for a while now.

Sell wolf tickest about how nobody in 3 weight classes wants to fight them.

Then, when someone in those weight classes gets vocal about a fight, they make excuses.

"Not yet", "doesn't make economic sense", "we are not looking in that direction", "he wants to unify at 160", or whatever other nonsense sounds right at the time.

But the truth is, they don't want to put GGG in with anyone who could beat him or make him look bad until they get a good payday out of him.

[jockpunk]

That is the game K2 and Triple G have been playing for a while now.

Sell wolf tickest about how nobody in 3 weight classes wants to fight them.

Then, when someone in those weight classes gets vocal about a fight, they make excuses.

"Not yet", "doesn't make economic sense", "we are not looking in that direction", "he wants to unify at 160", or whatever other nonsense sounds right at the time.

But the truth is, they don't want to put GGG in with anyone who could beat him or make him look bad until they get a good payday out of him.

The difference is ggg wants to fight guys at his own weight class (floyd being the exception but of course everyone is going to say that want to fight him). I have never heard a single 160lber call him out (maybe andy lee did). Other than floyd, I have never heard ggg call out anyone who wasn't already a 160lber. I have no idea who has called him out at 168 (certainly not ward) but the two situations aren't comparable.

I am sure the next words out of your mouth are going to be the lara wants to fight him, but why would anyone go through all of the trouble to make a fight that nobody other than a few dorks on this site might want to see. Even if both guys wanted it, it would be a nightmare to make and for what?

[Rocky1357]

We must remember GGG is 33 Years old already! Yes, some boxers are fighting competitively at beyond 38-40 But not a whole heck of a lot. The clock is ticking on GGG like say 5-6 years more. Having said that, he is right, he has to take on all big names from now on. I was not happy to see him fight Monroe jr. He is a B rated boxer at best. No one wants to fight GGG is what we all hear??? Fighters are not afraid of anyone what they are afraid of now a days is minimizing their star potential and ultimately the MONEY!!!We have to learn from the Mayweather vs Pacman fiasco. We waited six years to see a stinker of a fight and all the controversy that followed. if they fought say 4 years ago then each would have 4 more years. I blame this
Boxing Problem" on the fighters who are ranked the highest They have to kick their promoters and match makers more to the side and take charge. For they have a responsibility to the fans to make excellent match ups, not wait so long and then give a seat jumping experience. GGG knows this.
It is not the fighters who do not want to fight, the circumstances have to be right and that can take years as we saw. I wish for the days of Sugar Ray Robinson and 10-15 fights a year. 150 or more fights. Old school fighters, who today, IMO would just fight because they love it. As in many sports, money is the devil....

[Horse]

I am sure the next words out of your mouth are going to be the lara wants to fight him, but why would anyone go through all of the trouble to make a fight that nobody other than a few dorks on this site might want to see. Even if both guys wanted it, it would be a nightmare to make and for what?

So Golovkin can fight someone good.

[jujigatame]

What about Andy Lee? He unexpectedly escaped from the Quillin fight with his belt. He seems like the best option since Cotto and Quillin are unlikely to take the fight.

If Lara is moving up to 160 that's an excellent fight as well.

[ikorolev]

With Ward vs Golovkin, NONE of the sides wants the fight if big money is not on the table. Don't you see the difference ?

What difference? I seem to recall you previously criticising Carl Froch & Eddie Hearn for saying the very same things about Golovkin.

Team GGG does not own the copyright to using the “the fight isn’t big enough economically” excuse.

The difference is: Golovkin wants to fight Cotto/Canelo/Froch/Chavez without demanding big money, so one of the sides is ready for a low purse. In case of Ward vs Golovkin, neither side will agree to fight for peanuts.

[koolkc107]

That is the game K2 and Triple G have been playing for a while now.

Sell wolf tickest about how nobody in 3 weight classes wants to fight them.

Then, when someone in those weight classes gets vocal about a fight, they make excuses.

"Not yet", "doesn't make economic sense", "we are not looking in that direction", "he wants to unify at 160", or whatever other nonsense sounds right at the time.

But the truth is, they don't want to put GGG in with anyone who could beat him or make him look bad until they get a good payday out of him.

The difference is ggg wants to fight guys at his own weight class (floyd being the exception but of course everyone is going to say that want to fight him). I have never heard a single 160lber call him out (maybe andy lee did). Other than floyd, I have never heard ggg call out anyone who wasn't already a 160lber. I have no idea who has called him out at 168 (certainly not ward) but the two situations aren't comparable.

I am sure the next words out of your mouth are going to be the lara wants to fight him, but why would anyone go through all of the trouble to make a fight that nobody other than a few dorks on this site might want to see. Even if both guys wanted it, it would be a nightmare to make and for what?

When you run around and let it be known you will take a fight in other weight classes if it is a "big" fight, then name guys who would be that big fight call you out, why should you be let off the hook?

And by the way, we've seen it called a "duck" when a guy from another weight class calls someone out and that someone decides not to fight.

So how is GGG making excuses not to fight Lara, Ward, Dirrell, Groves and any of a number of guys not a duck?

[jockpunk]

That is the game K2 and Triple G have been playing for a while now.

Sell wolf tickest about how nobody in 3 weight classes wants to fight them.

Then, when someone in those weight classes gets vocal about a fight, they make excuses.

"Not yet", "doesn't make economic sense", "we are not looking in that direction", "he wants to unify at 160", or whatever other nonsense sounds right at the time.

But the truth is, they don't want to put GGG in with anyone who could beat him or make him look bad until they get a good payday out of him.

The difference is ggg wants to fight guys at his own weight class (floyd being the exception but of course everyone is going to say that want to fight him). I have never heard a single 160lber call him out (maybe andy lee did). Other than floyd, I have never heard ggg call out anyone who wasn't already a 160lber. I have no idea who has called him out at 168 (certainly not ward) but the two situations aren't comparable.

I am sure the next words out of your mouth are going to be the lara wants to fight him, but why would anyone go through all of the trouble to make a fight that nobody other than a few dorks on this site might want to see. Even if both guys wanted it, it would be a nightmare to make and for what?

When you run around and let it be known you will take a fight in other weight classes if it is a "big" fight, then name guys who would be that big fight call you out, why should you be let off the hook?

And by the way, we've seen it called a "duck" when a guy from another weight class calls someone out and that someone decides not to fight.

So how is GGG making excuses not to fight Lara, Ward, Dirrell, Groves and any of a number of guys not a duck?

I have never seen ward, groves, or dirrell say they want to fight ggg. In the case of lara and dirrell, it is easy to call someone out when there is zero percent chance of it actually happening. The biggest fight in boxing history was a nightmare to make because of boxing politics. GGG is contractually tied to HBO. Fighting on PBC is not an option, nor is dirrell or lara fighting on HBO. While it could happen, it would require agonizingly painful negotiations that just aren't going to be worth the trouble.

I am not sure in what world groves, lara, or dirrell qualify as a big fight. Better than the guys he has been fighting? Of course but far from big fights. I have not seen a single fighter call him out that would classify as a big fight. I am referring to ward, froch, and jcc before he got the crap beat out of him.