GGG options sadly limited

[koolkc107]

When you run around and let it be known you will take a fight in other weight classes if it is a "big" fight, then name guys who would be that big fight call you out, why should you be let off the hook?

And by the way, we've seen it called a "duck" when a guy from another weight class calls someone out and that someone decides not to fight.

So how is GGG making excuses not to fight Lara, Ward, Dirrell, Groves and any of a number of guys not a duck?

I have never seen ward, groves, or dirrell say they want to fight ggg. In the case of lara and dirrell, it is easy to call someone out when there is zero percent chance of it actually happening. The biggest fight in boxing history was a nightmare to make because of boxing politics. GGG is contractually tied to HBO. Fighting on PBC is not an option, nor is dirrell or lara fighting on HBO. While it could happen, it would require agonizingly painful negotiations that just aren't going to be worth the trouble.

I am not sure in what world groves, lara, or dirrell qualify as a big fight. Better than the guys he has been fighting? Of course but far from big fights. I have not seen a single fighter call him out that would classify as a big fight. I am referring to ward, froch, and jcc before he got the crap beat out of him.

If you haven't seen or heard guys call out Golovkin, you haven't been looking.

Here is two clips of Ward.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYz8cLQ6j9U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sWUEx3UsPQ

[KBB]

Moving up in weight class is a career defining choice. Once he starts in the weight room adding another 10lb or so of lean muscle there's pretty much no going back from that.

If Golovkin moved to 168 is he guaranteed big fights? I don't see Ward saying he wants it and Froch has said previously Golovkins the kind of guy you avoid.

Golovkin is ruling the middleweight roost, 1 of the most prestigious division in the history of boxing. Not to mention that 3 of the 4 biggest draws in the sport either compete in his division or the 1 below him. Sure fighting Floyd probably has a 0% chance but getting Cotto or Canelo isn't off the table, it will be if he moves to 168.

LOL, to adding another 10lbs of lean muscle to a guy who already walks around at 170+ and comes into the ring on fight night at that weight or higher.

Stop making BS excuses and talking out the side of your neck about things you obviously know nothing about. GGG has options, there's no excuse for him to wait around for the guys at 160 if they won't fight him, he should move up and take on the guys at 175, there are plenty of names there for him to gain some ground.

[Ricky_]

LOL, to adding another 10lbs of lean muscle to a guy who already walks around at 170+ and comes into the ring on fight night at that weight or higher.

Stop making BS excuses and talking out the side of your neck about things you obviously know nothing about. GGG has options, there's no excuse for him to wait around for the guys at 160 if they won't fight him, he should move up and take on the guys at 175, there are plenty of names there for him to gain some ground.

He's not going to fight in the condition he's "walking around" at though is he dumbass?

You never fail to display a lack of knowledge for the sport, particular when it comes to weight.

Golovkin comfortably makes the 160 limit, regularly coming in at least 1lb under it.

The next weight class up is 168lb. Where does the extra 8lb come from? He sure isn't going to come in with an additonal 8lb in body fat, is he, clown? When fighters move up weight class they move up with the proper physique. IF Golovkin moves to 168 he's going to make up the additional weight by adding lean muscle. If increases his weight by adding lean muscle, it's unlikely he'll ever return back down to 160. Very few fighters ever move back down in weight class if they've grown into a higher one.

[KBB]

He's not going to fight in the condition he's "walking around" at though is he dumbass?

You never fail to display a lack of knowledge for the sport, particular when it comes to weight.

Golovkin comfortably makes the 160 limit, regularly coming in at least 1lb under it.

The next weight class up is 168lb. Where does the extra 8lb come from? He sure isn't going to come in with an additonal 8lb in body fat, is he, clown? When fighters move up weight class they move up with the proper physique. IF Golovkin moves to 168 he's going to make up the additional weight by adding lean muscle. If increases his weight by adding lean muscle, it's unlikely he'll ever return back down to 160. Very few fighters ever move back down in weight class if they've grown into a higher one.

You're an idiot, if a person is walking around at 170 then to gain 5lbs isn't going to be a detriment on them dropping back down. Why is it that Hopkins at 50 says he can still make 168? It's you who are the dumb ass if you are going to make the garbage excuse for him about losing muscle, you don't lose muscle if you were going to fight at 175 and you already walk around at 170 then drop to 168 or even 160 for that matter.

Roy Jones went to 193 vs Ruiz and dropped back to 175<The same weight he is fighting at today and has no issues. Stop being a dumb ass for once in your life. You've never had to cut weight so stop pretending you have some boxing knowledge because you don't.

[Ricky_]

He's not going to fight in the condition he's "walking around" at though is he dumbass?

You never fail to display a lack of knowledge for the sport, particular when it comes to weight.

Golovkin comfortably makes the 160 limit, regularly coming in at least 1lb under it.

The next weight class up is 168lb. Where does the extra 8lb come from? He sure isn't going to come in with an additonal 8lb in body fat, is he, clown? When fighters move up weight class they move up with the proper physique. IF Golovkin moves to 168 he's going to make up the additional weight by adding lean muscle. If increases his weight by adding lean muscle, it's unlikely he'll ever return back down to 160. Very few fighters ever move back down in weight class if they've grown into a higher one.

You're an idiot, if a person is walking around at 170 then to gain 5lbs isn't going to be a detriment on them dropping back down. Why is it that Hopkins at 50 says he can still make 168? It's you who are the dumb ass if you are going to make the garbage excuse for him about losing muscle, you don't lose muscle if you were going to fight at 175 and you already walk around at 170 then drop to 168 or even 160 for that matter.

Roy Jones went to 193 vs Ruiz and dropped back to 175<The same weight he is fighting at today and has no issues. Stop being a dumb ass for once in your life. You've never had to cut weight so stop pretending you have some boxing knowledge because you don't.

Sorry, I couldn't make out anything in that incoherent mess of a post.

[KBB]

Sorry, I couldn't make out anything in that incoherent mess of a post.

Nice way to duck out of a valid reply, just as Manny ducked out of facing Floyd for 6 years, I bet you understand that.

[ikorolev]

The difference is: Golovkin wants to fight Cotto/Canelo/Froch/Chavez without demanding big money, so one of the sides is ready for a low purse. In case of Ward vs Golovkin, neither side will agree to fight for peanuts.

I don’t understand what you’re implying, so I cannot confirm or deny if I’m in agreement with your theory.

Are you saying that Golovkin is willing to fight someone like Froch for peanuts, but not Andre Ward?

The only thing that I believe to be true is that it seemed that Tom Loeffler was almost paraphrasing the very same economic argument that Eddie Hearn used to justify the financial reasons why a Froch-Golovkin bout was deemed as unfeasible, but the fight that the K2 managing director was referring to when he used the same excuse was for a GGG-Ward contest.

So you previously deemed Eddie Hearns’ comments as unpalatable and you even lambasted him for saying such things, but then you also believe that Tom Loeffler behaved in a perfectly reasonable manner for using precisely the same argument about Andre Ward? I just don't get it!

To summarise my confusion using an analogy: two men commit the same “crime”, but you believe that one of them deserves to be “punished”, whilst the other should be “supported”!

Golovkin is ready to take 30% of a purse against good money makers which would still be significantly more than 70% of a purse available for Gennady vs Ward (who doesn't draw much but will still want at least 50%). So, neither Gennady, nor Andre want that fight against the most dangerous opponent in their careers unless somebody comes up with really good money.

That is completely different from situations when one side is ready to sign a contract while the other one doesn't even want to discuss it.

[punchoutsb]

But first, I need you to document your ASSertion that negotiations by K2 with anyone who is anyone is ongoing.

I'll wait...

Are you a third Brut/KBB account? I've never seen anyone else capitalize ass in assume and assertion aside from him. He also never answers questions and typically finishes posts by saying "we'll wait" or something to that effect.

[Tanzio]

He's not going to fight in the condition he's "walking around" at though is he dumbass?

You never fail to display a lack of knowledge for the sport, particular when it comes to weight.

Golovkin comfortably makes the 160 limit, regularly coming in at least 1lb under it.

The next weight class up is 168lb. Where does the extra 8lb come from? He sure isn't going to come in with an additonal 8lb in body fat, is he, clown? When fighters move up weight class they move up with the proper physique. IF Golovkin moves to 168 he's going to make up the additional weight by adding lean muscle. If increases his weight by adding lean muscle, it's unlikely he'll ever return back down to 160. Very few fighters ever move back down in weight class if they've grown into a higher one.

Roy Jones went to 193 vs Ruiz and dropped back to 175<The same weight he is fighting at today and has no issues. .

Leave it to you, turB, to make the above statement in a post where you are accusing someone of being "an idiot." RJJ moved up to heavyweight to take on Ruiz in March of 2003. After that he moved back down to 175 and remained there for six and a half years (with the exception of coming into the Greene fight at nearly 180), fighting 13 times. RJJ has not fought at that weight since 2010. After returning to 175 in 2003 with an undefeated record, RJJ was 6-7 in those 13 fights at light heavy, and was KTFO 3 times.

"No issues" with weight?

Anyone who could confidently display to the world how wrong he is in so few words should not be accusing a light post of being "an idiot."

[KBB]

Leave it to you, turB, to make the above statement in a post where you are accusing someone of being "an idiot." RJJ moved up to heavyweight to take on Ruiz in March of 2003. After that he moved back down to 175 and remained there for six and a half years (with the exception of coming into the Greene fight at nearly 180), fighting 13 times. RJJ has not fought at that weight since 2010. After returning to 175 in 2003 with an undefeated record, RJJ was 6-7 in those 13 fights at light heavy, and was KTFO 3 times.

"No issues" with weight?

Anyone who could confidently display to the world how wrong he is in so few words should not be accusing a light post of being "an idiot."

His issues of getting KO'd didn't have anything to do with weight, it was because Roy wasn't never really any good fundamentally on his defense.

[crusader]

But first, I need you to document your ASSertion that negotiations by K2 with anyone who is anyone is ongoing.

I'll wait...

Are you a third Brut/KBB account? I've never seen anyone else capitalize ass in assume and assertion aside from him. He also never answers questions and typically finishes posts by saying "we'll wait" or something to that effect.

I've suspected that it's an alt for a while.

[Tanzio]

Leave it to you, turB, to make the above statement in a post where you are accusing someone of being "an idiot." RJJ moved up to heavyweight to take on Ruiz in March of 2003. After that he moved back down to 175 and remained there for six and a half years (with the exception of coming into the Greene fight at nearly 180), fighting 13 times. RJJ has not fought at that weight since 2010. After returning to 175 in 2003 with an undefeated record, RJJ was 6-7 in those 13 fights at light heavy, and was KTFO 3 times.

"No issues" with weight?

Anyone who could confidently display to the world how wrong he is in so few words should not be accusing a light post of being "an idiot."

His issues of getting KO'd didn't have anything to do with weight, it was because Roy wasn't never really any good fundamentally on his defense.

It "didn't have anything to do with" the fact that he muscled up to 193 and was never the same fighter when he returned to 175, shedding that extra 18 pounds of pure muscle? I do not dispute that RJJ's lack of fundamentals on defense (thanks to his amazing set of gifts) contributed to his downfall, but to decree that RJJ had "no issues" with weight is simply ignorant.

[punchoutsb]

But first, I need you to document your ASSertion that negotiations by K2 with anyone who is anyone is ongoing.

I'll wait...

Are you a third Brut/KBB account? I've never seen anyone else capitalize ass in assume and assertion aside from him. He also never answers questions and typically finishes posts by saying "we'll wait" or something to that effect.

I've suspected that it's an alt for a while.

Is there a way we can get a mod to check? Not calling for a ban or anything, but I'd be interested to see how many accounts he has

[crusader]

I think we could get a mod to check, but if he's smart about it he's made sure that he only uses the alt on a computer he hasn't also used for his other accounts, so even if the IPs were different it could be the same guy.

[punchoutsb]

I'm just going to assume it's brut/kbb then...oh wait, I mean ASSume

[crusader]

For a while I've had suspicions that it's an alt he attempts to post with in not such a Brut/KBB style, but there are many times when I think the mask may have slipped a bit. If I recall correctly he also tried to adopt a different manner when he first started with KBB, but after a short period he slipped fully back to Brut mode.

I generally haven't cared much about this, but over the last few months I feel that he's become a greater detriment to forum's quality.

[Ricky_]

I'm just going to assume it's brut/kbb then...oh wait, I mean ASSume

ofcourse it is, the guy is a schizophrenic, multiple accounts fit the bill.

[Aaronide_ger]

What about Andy Lee? He unexpectedly escaped from the Quillin fight with his belt. He seems like the best option since Cotto and Quillin are unlikely to take the fight.

If Lara is moving up to 160 that's an excellent fight as well.

Andy Lee is injured and will have to face BJS (His Mandatory) Once he comes back. It is not a realistic Option, He will probably fight in september against BJS THEN if he beats him, By December it should be realistic to talk about lee vs Golovkin

Ndam vs Lemieux winner for me is also very unlikely, not because of GBP, But because they are fighting in June and Both Lemieux and Ndam are fighters that Fight 2 times Per Year.. Golovkin will fight next in September so thats 3 months After their title fight. Which I think Lemieux/Ndam will have a problem to agree. UNLESS the money is very big.

[ikorolev]

Golovkin is ready to take 30% of a purse against good money makers which would still be significantly more than 70% of a purse available for Gennady vs Ward (who doesn't draw much but will still want at least 50%). So, neither Gennady, nor Andre want that fight against the most dangerous opponent in their careers unless somebody comes up with really good money.

That is completely different from situations when one side is ready to sign a contract while the other one doesn't even want to discuss it.

I understand that you’re a huge Gennady Golovkin fan, but you should not let your bias unduly affect your perception of reality.

HBO told Eddie Hearn that a Froch-Golovkin bout wasn’t PPV worthy, so there wasn’t enough money for Carl to face GGG.

If you watch the video that I supplied, HBO also told Tom Loeffler that a Ward-Golovkin bout wasn’t PPV worthy, so there wasn’t enough money to tempt GGG to face the S.O.G.

Team Golovkin have not seriously discussed any potential fight between GGG and the S.O.G. with Andre Ward’s handlers.

Andre Ward recently confronted Tom Loeffler face-to-face to discuss the accusations made by Abel Sanchez, who accused the S.O.G. of “running scared”. Ward demanded that Team Golovkin “be honest” with the fans and to stop using his name when both teams haven’t even discussed a potential fight yet. I even watched a video of Loeffler confirming his “discussion” with Ward.

We have recently seen a trend whereby Loeffler & Golovkin no longer discuss or call out Andre Ward during the post-fight interviews or during discussions with the media. Simply put: they no longer accuse him of “running scared”, instead they now cite "economic reasons" preventing the possibility of a Ward-Golovkin fight.

I’ve said it once, so I’ll say it again, there is no difference whatsoever between the explanations given by Eddie Hearn and Tom Loeffler when they explain the lack of economic justification for certain Golovkin fights being made.

When two people perform the precisely same “crime” for the exact same “reasons”, they should receive equal “punishment”. However, you choose to lambast Eddie Hearn, whilst your loyalty to Golovkin compels you to treat Tom Loeffler like a “blameless” saint, which is just plain wrong.

If you don’t believe what I say, just perform a little bit of research on the matter.

Hearn is wrong. Froch is popular enough to warrant PPV and fill a soccer stadium in England when facing GGG.

[tiny_acres]

Golovkin is ready to take 30% of a purse against good money makers which would still be significantly more than 70% of a purse available for Gennady vs Ward (who doesn't draw much but will still want at least 50%). So, neither Gennady, nor Andre want that fight against the most dangerous opponent in their careers unless somebody comes up with really good money.

That is completely different from situations when one side is ready to sign a contract while the other one doesn't even want to discuss it.

I understand that you’re a huge Gennady Golovkin fan, but you should not let your bias unduly affect your perception of reality.

HBO told Eddie Hearn that a Froch-Golovkin bout wasn’t PPV worthy, so there wasn’t enough money for Carl to face GGG.

If you watch the video that I supplied, HBO also told Tom Loeffler that a Ward-Golovkin bout wasn’t PPV worthy, so there wasn’t enough money to tempt GGG to face the S.O.G.

Team Golovkin have not seriously discussed any potential fight between GGG and the S.O.G. with Andre Ward’s handlers.

Andre Ward recently confronted Tom Loeffler face-to-face to discuss the accusations made by Abel Sanchez, who accused the S.O.G. of “running scared”. Ward demanded that Team Golovkin “be honest” with the fans and to stop using his name when both teams haven’t even discussed a potential fight yet. I even watched a video of Loeffler confirming his “discussion” with Ward.

We have recently seen a trend whereby Loeffler & Golovkin no longer discuss or call out Andre Ward during the post-fight interviews or during discussions with the media. Simply put: they no longer accuse him of “running scared”, instead they now cite "economic reasons" preventing the possibility of a Ward-Golovkin fight.

I’ve said it once, so I’ll say it again, there is no difference whatsoever between the explanations given by Eddie Hearn and Tom Loeffler when they explain the lack of economic justification for certain Golovkin fights being made.

When two people perform the precisely same “crime” for the exact same “reasons”, they should receive equal “punishment”. However, you choose to lambast Eddie Hearn, whilst your loyalty to Golovkin compels you to treat Tom Loeffler like a “blameless” saint, which is just plain wrong.

If you don’t believe what I say, just perform a little bit of research on the matter.

Hearn is wrong. Froch is popular enough to warrant PPV and fill a soccer stadium in England when facing GGG.

Ikorolov I agree that Froch vs GGG would be a decent PPV that would probably do in the neighborhood
of 500,000 in sales.
Not Floyd/Manny numbers but decent compared to the rest.

K2 is holding back GGG and fights like this will not happen for a few years when GGG
is past his best.That is the way I see it.I hate it for him.We may never know how good he is.

[sucracristo]

whoever GGG fights next, it will be for the WBC 160 title, but i don't think it will be
against cotto. even if cotto gets by geale, he will vacate. after that he adds the ibf
or wbo. he says every fight that he wants to unify the titles.

[ikorolev]

Ikorolov I agree that Froch vs GGG would be a decent PPV that would probably do in the neighborhood
of 500,000 in sales.
Not Floyd/Manny numbers but decent compared to the rest.

K2 is holding back GGG and fights like this will not happen for a few years when GGG
is past his best.That is the way I see it.I hate it for him.We may never know how good he is.

They would sign with Froch with no delays, the same way they did with Chavez. In those cases, the problem is not on K2 side.

[koolkc107]

For a while I've had suspicions that it's an alt he attempts to post with in not such a Brut/KBB style, but there are many times when I think the mask may have slipped a bit. If I recall correctly he also tried to adopt a different manner when he first started with KBB, but after a short period he slipped fully back to Brut mode.

I generally haven't cared much about this, but over the last few months I feel that he's become a greater detriment to forum's quality.

Question for those of you who know or suspect I am someone else posting under this SN: If you are wrong, doesn't that say a whole lot more about you and your lack of perception than anything else?

If everyone who holds similar views is actually the same person, that means there are only about 4 or 5 posters here, doesn't it?

Can't any of you holding this view realize how juvenile it is and how much you are amusing all of us?

Well, enough on that.

Fergusg is hitting the point quite accurately.

GGG can't be "the most feared", or P4P best, or anything else until a few things happen.

He has to fight and beat an elite guy, and if he can't get an elite 160 lber in the ring (which he can but appears unwilling to do what it takes to make that happen), it is incumbent upon him to find someone in another weight class.

It is on him, no one else.

Related directly to that is the other thing, which is that GGG has to stop being a hypocrite. If folks are not fighting you because it makes no economic sense to them then they are not running...unless you are also running from all the folks you have declined to fight because "the money isn't right".

If it is not right for the guys who call you out, then it isn't right for the guys you call out.

Lastly, some of you cupping GGG's bollzac so tightly should realize the guys like fergusg, KBB, and myself are actually BETTER fans of Golovkin than you will ever be.

We want him to be great, and we know that the only way that is going to happen is if he steps his game up.

Challenge himself, like ALL ATG fighters do.

Yes, I think he will be exposed.

But some of you fanboys need to stop confusing what is thought with what is hoped for.

[KBB]

It "didn't have anything to do with" the fact that he muscled up to 193 and was never the same fighter when he returned to 175, shedding that extra 18 pounds of pure muscle? I do not dispute that RJJ's lack of fundamentals on defense (thanks to his amazing set of gifts) contributed to his downfall, but to decree that RJJ had "no issues" with weight is simply ignorant.

No, what's ignorant is for someone to claim that he got knocked out many times solely because of gaining and then losing weight, which is what I was addressing.

If weight was such an issue for him then why was he able to get back to 175 and still be competitive? He fought a couple of more times at LHW and did not appear drained and only got KO'd due to his lack of a fundamental defense.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Golovkin is ready to take 30% of a purse against good money makers which would still be significantly more than 70% of a purse available for Gennady vs Ward (who doesn't draw much but will still want at least 50%). So, neither Gennady, nor Andre want that fight against the most dangerous opponent in their careers unless somebody comes up with really good money.

That is completely different from situations when one side is ready to sign a contract while the other one doesn't even want to discuss it.

I understand that you’re a huge Gennady Golovkin fan, but you should not let your bias unduly affect your perception of reality.

HBO told Eddie Hearn that a Froch-Golovkin bout wasn’t PPV worthy, so there wasn’t enough money for Carl to face GGG.

If you watch the video that I supplied, HBO also told Tom Loeffler that a Ward-Golovkin bout wasn’t PPV worthy, so there wasn’t enough money to tempt GGG to face the S.O.G.

Team Golovkin have not seriously discussed any potential fight between GGG and the S.O.G. with Andre Ward’s handlers.

Andre Ward recently confronted Tom Loeffler face-to-face to discuss the accusations made by Abel Sanchez, who accused the S.O.G. of “running scared”. Ward demanded that Team Golovkin “be honest” with the fans and to stop using his name when both teams haven’t even discussed a potential fight yet. I even watched a video of Loeffler confirming his “discussion” with Ward.

We have recently seen a trend whereby Loeffler & Golovkin no longer discuss or call out Andre Ward during the post-fight interviews or during discussions with the media. Simply put: they no longer accuse him of “running scared”, instead they now cite "economic reasons" preventing the possibility of a Ward-Golovkin fight.

I’ve said it once, so I’ll say it again, there is no difference whatsoever between the explanations given by Eddie Hearn and Tom Loeffler when they explain the lack of economic justification for certain Golovkin fights being made.

When two people perform the precisely same “crime” for the exact same “reasons”, they should receive equal “punishment”. However, you choose to lambast Eddie Hearn, whilst your loyalty to Golovkin compels you to treat Tom Loeffler like a “blameless” saint, which is just plain wrong.

If you don’t believe what I say, just perform a little bit of research on the matter.

Hearn is wrong. Froch is popular enough to warrant PPV and fill a soccer stadium in England when facing GGG.

No he isn't. Froch has filled a football stadium once in his career, and that was for the rematch with Groves, after the first had huge buildup, countless press conferences, and a genuine grudge between the two men, resulting in several slanging matches.

Golovkin barely speaks English, and doesn't seem like the type to get all cocky anyway, he'd hardly be dynamite in press conferences, and there'd be no real needle. The fight wouldn't catch the imagination of the casual sports fan in the way Froch v Groves 2 did, and there's no way Froch is filling a football stadium otherwise, unless it was a farewell fight against another established star. Golovkin is a great fighter, but he's just not a star.