How to handle a specific type of early pro question

[HellraiserBoxing]

This guy should just sign up pro and go on the road. If he only had 4 amateur fights, finding him work won't be a problem. Message me on facebook & we can get cracking.

Cheers,

Mickey Helliet.

[leejonesjnr]

This guy should just sign up pro and go on the road. If he only had 4 amateur fights, finding him work won't be a problem. Message me on facebook & we can get cracking.

Cheers,

Mickey Helliet.

Problem solved.

[Counter-puncher]

just a guess- its not as though BBBofC lads are pissing for testers every 5 minutes either as far as I know

I know a few unlicensed organisations making people do random piss tests on shows

fair play

[mickey1975]

Criminal records, expense and hassle of turning pro, easier fights, local.

[bripez]

just a guess- its not as though BBBofC lads are pissing for testers every 5 minutes either as far as I know

I was going to ask what the testing was like - Larry O openly posted on a Body Building Website discussing "supplements" for years before the BBBofC got round to testing him. To be honest, one look at him should have put him in the "might want to test" category .....

[bripez]

This guy should just sign up pro and go on the road. If he only had 4 amateur fights, finding him work won't be a problem. Message me on facebook & we can get cracking.

Cheers,

Mickey Helliet.

Hi Mickey,

I am not trying to be a smart bollox here, but what does that mean ?

The inference is that the boxer would have to be the opponent and although he wouldn't have the worry of selling tickets the trade off would be that he would not win many - or to put it bluntly, he would be employed to move somebody around and to put up a reasonable resistance however the expectation would be that they wouldn't be trying to actually win (and if they did, they wouldn't get the decision and the work would quickly dry up).

I got the impression from the OP that the lad might want to have a go - be matched reasonably, and although he doesn't have any unrealistic expectations and would expect to lose a few as well as win a few they would be trying to win every fight.

[HellraiserBoxing]

For sure he should try and win, just he isn't going to be on the left hand side of the bill. Sam Eggerton was matched as an opponent early in his career & is now Commonwealth Champion. If the fighter is good enough and is handled well he will get there. No promoter in the world is going to fund this guy to have a run of easy wins if he doesnt bring money in, therefore he will have to fight people who do bring in some money.

Annoys me when I tell guys this, then someone else tells them, "Don't listen to Mickey, I'll look after you"... Followed by them making their derby 200 miles from home against a three time ABA champion who is two weight divisions above them!

Feel freee to go through my list of fighters on Boxrec, I manage a few journeymen all of which are well looked after, rarely stopped and earn regular money. I'm proud of that!

[Duffus91]

For sure he should try and win, just he isn't going to be on the left hand side of the bill. Sam Eggerton was matched as an opponent early in his career & is now Commonwealth Champion. If the fighter is good enough and is handled well he will get there. No promoter in the world is going to fund this guy to have a run of easy wins if he doesnt bring money in, therefore he will have to fight people who do bring in some money.

Annoys me when I tell guys this, then someone else tells them, "Don't listen to Mickey, I'll look after you"... Followed by them making their derby 200 miles from home against a three time ABA champion who is two weight divisions above them!

Feel freee to go through my list of fighters on Boxrec, I manage a few journeymen all of which are well looked after, rarely stopped and earn regular money. I'm proud of that!

Mickey, is Charlie Hoy still with you?

[jonp]

Turn pro get some fights win them and make yourself a name.It is possible Sam eggington is a good example of someone prepared to take a risk and get there.Also terry carruthers and max maxwell are examples of guys who went on the wrong side of the bill and scored enough upsets to get some good oppotunities.

Being on the wrong side of the bill doesnt mean you have to lose or not try just means its a bit trickier to get the wins,

Also if someone is a genuine talent the manager will get him on the odd home bill to build him up,waiting to become a home fighter or a ticket seller doesnt happen if you cant sell tickets you have to do it the hard way plain and simple but it can be done if the fighter is good enough

[jonp]

The trick is not to stay on the road if you stay on the road all the time you will end up with losing record as it is stacked against you on the road.
Get a few wins get the odd one at home then take a chance when it comes.
Oh a fighter with a winning record whos on the road is bobby jenkinson won his last three away from home agianst unbeaten guys and now has a midlands area titl fight away from home where hs probably the favourite.

Also Nicky jenman from bright boxes away from home fairly regular and he too has a winning record

[kamicazze]

I see what mickey is saying. However if a fighter has potential to do well and you put him on the road early then it will put an end to that early.

Is there no nurturing them along whilst they gradually improve before sending them?

[jonp]

The problem is nurturing costs a fair bit of money if they dont sell tickets and theres nothin worse than investing to bring them alon get them somewhere then a bigger name or promotion comes in and signs them up and the money youv spent and time you have put in counts for nothing.
Or you can do the sam thing a lad is unbeaten looking good and decides to retire

[Boxing Prospect]

This is where having a "Rookie" type tournament, organised by the BBBofC with fighters volunteering themselves, would serve everyone well. Gets the guy 3 or 4 fights against fellow novices and if they win they have then proven their ability a bit and may catch the attention of some promoter.

[bripez]

This is where having a "Rookie" type tournament, organised by the BBBofC with fighters volunteering themselves, would serve everyone well. Gets the guy 3 or 4 fights against fellow novices and if they win they have then proven their ability a bit and may catch the attention of some promoter.

Sounds like the "novice pro" concept introduced by the MBC.

Quite a few on here were against it although I am not sure if that was mostly to do with who was proposing the idea rather tan the idea itself.

[Boxing Prospect]

This is where having a "Rookie" type tournament, organised by the BBBofC with fighters volunteering themselves, would serve everyone well. Gets the guy 3 or 4 fights against fellow novices and if they win they have then proven their ability a bit and may catch the attention of some promoter.

Sounds like the "novice pro" concept introduced by the MBC.

Quite a few on here were against it although I am not sure if that was mostly to do with who was proposing the idea rather tan the idea itself.

I was basing my post off the Rookie of the Year they do in Japan and Rookie tournament they do in Korea but yeah the MBC idea seemed similar. It's a chance for a talented novice without a big backer to get some experience, get the chance to prove themselves, and if done well, move towards attracting some attention.

Drop the bouts on to youtube, add in short interviews etc and viola you have the potential to have a small fan base. Not necessarily enough to become a "home guy" but it's a starting point.

[Looking On]

This is where having a "Rookie" type tournament, organised by the BBBofC with fighters volunteering themselves, would serve everyone well. Gets the guy 3 or 4 fights against fellow novices and if they win they have then proven their ability a bit and may catch the attention of some promoter.

Sounds like the "novice pro" concept introduced by the MBC.

Quite a few on here were against it although I am not sure if that was mostly to do with who was proposing the idea rather tan the idea itself.

I think now that Damian Hucker is going mbc its likely that the MBC novice pro route is the one that will be tried, for a few reasons.

[mikiesb]

Hi forgive my lack of.knowledge on boxing management.surelyif a boxer makes steady progress.does not rush it and wins say 10 figlghts surely that boxer will get noticed especial ly if he is.ko ing people. Bit like a.non league striker smashing in goals wi get spotted etc ? ? Good luck to the fighter

[Boxing Prospect]

Hi forgive my lack of.knowledge on boxing management.surelyif a boxer makes steady progress.does not rush it and wins say 10 figlghts surely that boxer will get noticed especial ly if he is.ko ing people. Bit like a.non league striker smashing in goals wi get spotted etc ? ? Good luck to the fighter

That's the way it SHOULD be. Instead you need to sell tickets to pay your way so to speak, if you can't sell enough tickets to pay your purse and that of an opponent you tend to be the away fighter and if you keep beating the popular guys no one will want to fight you.

To put it in to the football analogy, imagine being on a bonus for scoring more than 10 in a season, you get to 9 and then the team refuse to play you again as another goal will cost them too much.

[jonp]

This is where having a "Rookie" type tournament, organised by the BBBofC with fighters volunteering themselves, would serve everyone well. Gets the guy 3 or 4 fights against fellow novices and if they win they have then proven their ability a bit and may catch the attention of some promoter.

Sounds like the "novice pro" concept introduced by the MBC.

Quite a few on here were against it although I am not sure if that was mostly to do with who was proposing the idea rather tan the idea itself.

I think now that Damian Hucker is going mbc its likely that the MBC novice pro route is the one that will be tried, for a few reasons.

But you still have to do tickets or not get paid on the mbc route so the lad will still have the same problem except the wages cost moreon mbc so it will be harder cover costs.

[Dixonian]

The trick is not to stay on the road if you stay on the road all the time you will end up with losing record as it is stacked against you on the road.
Get a few wins get the odd one at home then take a chance when it comes.
Oh a fighter with a winning record whos on the road is bobby jenkinson won his last three away from home agianst unbeaten guys and now has a midlands area titl fight away from home where hs probably the favourite.

Also Nicky jenman from bright boxes away from home fairly regular and he too has a winning record

Good to see Nicky getting a mention. He struggles to get fights at home these days which has forced him to go out and get fights wherever he can. He's on a good run of results as well.

[cocobongo]

Look at rocky fielding. Turned pro without a promoter on small hall shows, don't think he was a massive ticket seller but he had decent power. Look at him now. That's would be the best framework to follow.

I always thought Rocky was a notoriously big seller? Does more tickets than all Smith bros, Bellew etc

Rocky is a massive ticket seller was doing 400 odd for 4 rounders in lesiure centres promoted by Oliver Harrison before he won PF

[arlovski]

Look at rocky fielding. Turned pro without a promoter on small hall shows, don't think he was a massive ticket seller but he had decent power. Look at him now. That's would be the best framework to follow.

I always thought Rocky was a notoriously big seller? Does more tickets than all Smith bros, Bellew etc

Rocky is a massive ticket seller was doing 400 odd for 4 rounders in lesiure centres promoted by Oliver Harrison before he won PF

yeah that's what i was thinking.

Fair play to him, seems a nice guy and hopefully about to start landing some top fights

[kamicazze]

Anyone got a decent example of a fighter that a promoter invested inane later got a good return out if?

[Looking On]

But you still have to do tickets or not get paid on the mbc route so the lad will still have the same problem except the wages cost moreon mbc so it will be harder cover costs.

Wages cost more on MBC ???, while i know you usually are pretty clued up im not sure where you get that from..... especially on the Novice pro section as they are only on a smaller wage anyway.

[jonp]

But you still have to do tickets or not get paid on the mbc route so the lad will still have the same problem except the wages cost moreon mbc so it will be harder cover costs.

Wages cost more on MBC ???, while i know you usually are pretty clued up im not sure where you get that from..... especially on the Novice pro section as they are only on a smaller wage anyway.

Because most of the opponents on mbc are from abroad which generally costs a little bit more than british opp of the same standard.

The overall cost for a foriegn guy including flights etc for a four rounder comes to at the cheapest around 1250 for an opp and that is the cheapest

For a british away type the going rate is 1100 all in.

Obviously once they get more british fighters it may end up cheaper but i doubt it if they are going down the route of ticket seller at home away boxer no fans which is the way it looks at the mo. The likes of jodie miekle and matt scriven are not suddenly going to box for less money than they did on the bbbofc or start selling tickets.The foriegn boxers prices are what they are not a lot can be done about that