Why Is Matrix-DeGale a Pick Em Odds Fight?

[crusader]

I thought it was a close fight that Dirrell edged, but he was definitely too negative at times and I think that it's reasonable to score the bout for Froch.

Someone mentioned that Degale has more speed than Froch, and I think that's clearly true, but I also think he relies on being the faster man far more than Froch does and it will be interesting to see how he deals with someone even faster than him, both of hand and foot.

[Cyclops]

You talk about "levels". Put your bias aside and realize only one of these guys has succeeded at elite world level so far. Fact.

Fact.

Carl Froch has a win over Andre Direll, "success" notwithstanding.

Fact.

Seriously though, I have a strong feeling DeGale isn't coming out of there with the win, though I do believe he has the ability, ironically enough.

If you were at the Gates of Heaven and God asked you to answer 1 question honestly for admittance or exile to hell -"Who really won the Froch-Dirrell fight?"...what would your answer be?

Froch.

All this crap about Dirrell schooling him is revisionist rubbish. At the time, even the people who thought Dirrell won thought it was only by a point or two. Dirrell moved beautifully that night, AWAY from the action, and when he did put his punches together looked good. Carl looked flummoxed at times but continually chased the fight and did land. I thought it was a draw without the point deduction (which I thought was iffy but Dirrell was holding a lot) but that point deduction was there and so I had Carl winning by a point. I rewatched it last year and it was hard going because it's a sh*t fight but I still scored it the same.

Have you ever seen a fighter fall over like Bambi on ice so much as Dirrell did? My favourite bit is when Dirrell cries to the ref about something and gets punched in the face. I forget which round. Maybe one of the guys who thinks the fight was a stone robbery can actually watch the fight instead of reading about it on forums and tell me?

[crusader]

Is it revisionist rubbish? I recall it being widely debated from the time the decision was announced, with a good sized cohort thinking that Dirrell took it handily.

Whether revisionist or not though, it wasn't a schooling. Dirrell showed his exceptional talent in spots but his weaknesses were very clear too.

[Cyclops]

Is it revisionist rubbish? I recall it being widely debated from the time the decision was announced, with a good sized cohort thinking that Dirrell took it handily.

it was widely debated that people thought Dirrell had won and I can see an argument for that, but it was no this wide points schooling that certain people keep on harping on about. It was a close fight where neither guy shone. A point either way is fine. It's definitely a fight to make Froch look bad. I told you I think, really, it was a draw. The point deduction was home cooking, but that point got deducted and so it gives Froch the win. What did you think if the point deduction?

[Cyclops]

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[crusader]

I don't recall what I thought of the deduction, but I remember Dirrell doing quite a bit of flopping to the canvas when he was under pressure.

[Cyclops]

Is it revisionist rubbish? I recall it being widely debated from the time the decision was announced, with a good sized cohort thinking that Dirrell took it handily.

Whether revisionist or not though, it wasn't a schooling. Dirrell showed his exceptional talent in spots but his weaknesses were very clear too.

Good edit and I agree

[diddy]

Revisionist rubbish?!

Uh yeah no. It was a bad decision then, and, well, yeah, still a bad decision now. When Mayweather and Rigondeaux "box beautifully" away from the action - it's an artful science. When Dirrell does it it's something else. People will just skew whatever they have to skew when it aids a particular argument - and since Froch is well liked as a blood and guts warrior it's popular culture to lambaste Dirrell for boxing in a fashion that is lauded when pertaining to certain other boxers. The double standard is truly amusing to me.

[Ezzard]

I really hope Dirrell loses.

He’s super quick of hand and foot, accurate and has great reflexes. He’s also brittle of mind and body. So I should like him. He has great advantages but with built in vulnerabilities…my kind of sportsman…

I just hate the way he fights. Gets caught in the corner he falls to the floor. Gets knocked down and they call it a slip. Gets a chance to fight Ward and he drops out of the Super Six. It’s like someone somewhere desperately wants him to be a success.

I just don’t think DeGale hits hard enough. Every clean shot has to really count against Dirrell and I just don’t see Degale having the power to turn it around. Most boxers will be behind after 8 rounds. You have to go in there with the right mentality. Not get emotional because he’s making you miss.

The last thing we need is another Mayweather or Ward.

[Supremo]

I have boxed. I know the courage and balls it takes to step in a ring and fight. I hate when boxing fans disrespect fighters and question their heart. However, Dirrell is a special case and I have never seen such a pathetic, gutless display as that sham against Abraham that night.
Technically speaking Dirrell should wipe the floor with DeGale and I should be putting every penny I have on him. However, he seems much slower on his feet and hands these days and he has no balls.
I still think Dirrell will win but I cant have any faith in a man with his character.

[Bobbyptsd]

I have boxed. I know the courage and balls it takes to step in a ring and fight. I hate when boxing fans disrespect fighters and question their heart. However, Dirrell is a special case and I have never seen such a pathetic, gutless display as that sham against Abraham that night.
Technically speaking Dirrell should wipe the floor with DeGale and I should be putting every penny I have on him. However, he seems much slower on his feet and hands these days and he has no balls.
I still think Dirrell will win but I cant have any faith in a man with his character.

Uhh, ok.

[hurricanemitch14]

Dirrell isnt the funnest to watch at time but he beat AA and should have a win over Froch.

Long layoff may have hurt him very interested in tomorrows fight

[Evander]

If Andre can light it up for 12 then I'll be convinced.

[CheckHook]

I don't really get why people still bang on about Dirrells lose to Froch like it was the worst robbery in history. I feel like some folks had way too much invested in the guy. Sure, it was a close fight, but considering how many close fights we see every month that go the way of the home fighter why are people still so hurt by this one? I can think of plenty of worse decisions in the last 12 months that you guys happily forget, its not even like it was a bad decision, it was just the type of decision that goes the way of the home fighter. I guarantee if Dirrell gets the nod over Degale in a close one those same folks that have spent the last 5+ years crying wont shed a tear for Degale.

[sucracristo]

imagine how much trouble he'll have finding Dirrell, who is superior to Groves in every way
athletically, and one of the fastest, sharpest boxers in the game.

you always talk about "imagine what this or that guy would do", as if you imagine
these marvel comic book characters or something. dirrell-groves is as much a pick em
fight as dirrell-degale. the scorecards were weirdly close but i saw groves outboxing
froch almost every round in both fights, and of course groves has the power to hurt froch.
if froch didn't stop groves, then he would have lost a lopsided decision or got knocked
out himself. saying degale lost a close one to groves early-on and therefore that justifies
you imagining that dirrell is like the green lantern or captain america or something and
will be out of degale's league at this point in the game is silly. this one will be close.

[Supremo]

I have boxed. I know the courage and balls it takes to step in a ring and fight. I hate when boxing fans disrespect fighters and question their heart. However, Dirrell is a special case and I have never seen such a pathetic, gutless display as that sham against Abraham that night.
Technically speaking Dirrell should wipe the floor with DeGale and I should be putting every penny I have on him. However, he seems much slower on his feet and hands these days and he has no balls.
I still think Dirrell will win but I cant have any faith in a man with his character.

Uhh, ok.

Did you deliberately ignore the part where I described Dirrell as a "special case?"

[koolkc107]

I have boxed. I know the courage and balls it takes to step in a ring and fight. I hate when boxing fans disrespect fighters and question their heart. However, Dirrell is a special case and I have never seen such a pathetic, gutless display as that sham against Abraham that night.
Technically speaking Dirrell should wipe the floor with DeGale and I should be putting every penny I have on him. However, he seems much slower on his feet and hands these days and he has no balls.
I still think Dirrell will win but I cant have any faith in a man with his character.

First of all, I am among those who think Dirrell schooled Froch, who I admire greatly and believe is much better even now than Degale.

My problem with the post above is it contradicts itself and seems based on something other than common sense.

That was no act against Abraham. Andre was fouled in one of the most reprehensible ways it can be done.

I am always surprised how Dirrell continues to get second guessed to this day while almost no one puts the blame where it truly belongs: on Abraham.

Abraham should have been suspended at least a year for what he did. And if folks think Andre was acting, I'd respond very simply.

Why?

It was the 11th round.
All Dirrell had to do was stay on his feet another round and a half.
He could have took all the time he needed to recover- rules allow that on a foul- then run for a round and a half.

He still would have been 4 points ahead on EVERY scorecard after 12.

And then there is the visual proof. If you can watch the post fight video and not understand how severely concussed Dirrell was, you're blind.

Andre didn't have a clue about what happened. He can clearly be hear apologizing to his corner for getting knocked out.

He thought he lost.

It is pitiful the amount of hate this man continues to get because of something he had no control over.

I have picked him to win tonight.

Nothing against Degale, but I hope Dirrell KOs him.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I have boxed. I know the courage and balls it takes to step in a ring and fight. I hate when boxing fans disrespect fighters and question their heart. However, Dirrell is a special case and I have never seen such a pathetic, gutless display as that sham against Abraham that night.
Technically speaking Dirrell should wipe the floor with DeGale and I should be putting every penny I have on him. However, he seems much slower on his feet and hands these days and he has no balls.
I still think Dirrell will win but I cant have any faith in a man with his character.

Yes, for a top level professional fighter, his attitude is pretty disgusting. He hurls himself to the ground to avoid punishment, and tries to fake his way to wins by getting his opponents disqualified - it is as you say, gutless. Why become a professional fighter in the first place if that's your attitude - ?

He has talent, but lacks the fortitude mentally to back it up. He will always look for the easiest way out.

[Bobbyptsd]

I have boxed. I know the courage and balls it takes to step in a ring and fight. I hate when boxing fans disrespect fighters and question their heart. However, Dirrell is a special case and I have never seen such a pathetic, gutless display as that sham against Abraham that night.
Technically speaking Dirrell should wipe the floor with DeGale and I should be putting every penny I have on him. However, he seems much slower on his feet and hands these days and he has no balls.
I still think Dirrell will win but I cant have any faith in a man with his character.

Uhh, ok.

Did you deliberately ignore the part where I described Dirrell as a "special case?"

Well yeah, because you made a big deal about how you boxed and dislike it when people judge fighters. And then went on to judge a fighter rather harshly. Whether you call it a special case or not, that's funny to me.

[diddy]

imagine how much trouble he'll have finding Dirrell, who is superior to Groves in every way
athletically, and one of the fastest, sharpest boxers in the game.

you always talk about "imagine what this or that guy would do", as if you imagine
these marvel comic book characters or something. dirrell-groves is as much a pick em
fight as dirrell-degale. the scorecards were weirdly close but i saw groves outboxing
froch almost every round in both fights, and of course groves has the power to hurt froch.
if froch didn't stop groves, then he would have lost a lopsided decision or got knocked
out himself. saying degale lost a close one to groves early-on and therefore that justifies
you imagining that dirrell is like the green lantern or captain america or something and
will be out of degale's league at this point in the game is silly. this one will be close.

Did going to these misguided and ridiculous extremes make you feel any better about the point you were attempting to make?

No one ever said Dirrell was going to demolish DeGale....

[Taansend]

If you were at the Gates of Heaven and God asked you to answer 1 question honestly for admittance or exile to hell -"Who really won the Froch-Dirrell fight?"...what would your answer be?

Hand on heart, I'd say draw.

And I'd suggest anyone who watched the fight with the Showtime commentary try watching it again with no sound. That was maybe the worst commentary I've ever heard. And I've heard Jim Watt.

[JC]

Dirrell by decision should be less than evens (I think that's +100) IMO, especially as the home fighter.

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[Tarkus]

Is Dirrell getting schooled or what.

[sucracristo]

degale will get robbed