Carl Froch Vs Gennady Golovkin In Talks For September

[Impractical Poster]

One thing is for sure, golivkin will get hit harder and more often than he ever has before, and will be facing a man who has more experience of big fights.

If Carl gets in Golivkin's face and starts pushing him back, it will be interesting to see if he can cope with it mentally.

Won't happen. If he comes in G's sounder fundamentals will allow him to land first and deter Froch from coming in. Plus, G's shifting does wonders in not letting opponents just march in. Froch has a punchers chance. That's about it, IMO.

[jamesmcdonnell]

One thing is for sure, golivkin will get hit harder and more often than he ever has before, and will be facing a man who has more experience of big fights.

If Carl gets in Golivkin's face and starts pushing him back, it will be interesting to see if he can cope with it mentally.

Won't happen. If he comes in G's sounder fundamentals will allow him to land first and deter Froch from coming in. Plus, G's shifting does wonders in not letting opponents just march in. Froch has a punchers chance. That's about it, IMO.

I admit from what little I've seen of GGG, he does look technically very good. However, Froch does have a fairly significant reach advantage, and he also has very long arms, so that is something of a leveller it terms of landing first.

Froch can definitely be hit, we all know that, and he's relied on a pretty granite chin rather than a sound defence over the years, but he is also awkward as hell, and has a killer instinct.

However it pans out, it's a fornicating wet dream of a fight as far as I'm concerned, and I for one cannot wait if it happens.

I think if Froch does take the fight, then win or lose, it is the mark of the man that he's prepared to take on someone considered as big a danger man as GGG.

[SFW]

The Cobra fears no one, gotta love that. This fight at this time is a mistake though. Longer doesn't mean better, and Gennady's jab is better, his angles are better and at this point his chin is better too. Carl has been hurt or down in the last 3 fights I've seen him in. Ward, Groves, and Kesslasaurus back from the grave. Only one of those guys has power. Don't have much faith in the old legs either. This has beating written all over it.

[jamesmcdonnell]

The Cobra fears no one, gotta love that. This fight at this time is a mistake though. Longer doesn't mean better, and Gennady's jab is better, his angles are better and at this point his chin is better too. Carl has been hurt or down in the last 3 fights I've seen him in. Ward, Groves, and Kesslasaurus back from the grave. Only one of those guys has power. Don't have much faith in the old legs either. This has beating written all over it.

Well, as a counterpoint - he was hit with an absolute humdinger of a shot in his first fight with Groves, and got up and fought his way back into the fight - so it's not like he's brittle. I don't recall him being hurt against Ward, or particularly against Kessler, unless you mean the 1st fight. Kessler and Groves both hit hard.

[jamesmcdonnell]

The Cobra fears no one, gotta love that. This fight at this time is a mistake though. Longer doesn't mean better, and Gennady's jab is better, his angles are better and at this point his chin is better too. Carl has been hurt or down in the last 3 fights I've seen him in. Ward, Groves, and Kesslasaurus back from the grave. Only one of those guys has power. Don't have much faith in the old legs either. This has beating written all over it.

Actually he said he does fear Golovkin, but what you've got to love is that fear motivates him.

[SFW]

maybe you need to watch those fights again then. He was completely saved by the bell against Groves, more time left and the fight could have easily been ended by George who is not a big puncher, is not. Carl even ran into that right hand, imagine if he ran into Golovkins right hand. Kessler hurt him in both fights, without a doubt, and a couple times it was clear as day. Ward was beating him up and frustrating him worse than anyone though, but it's better described as frustration than hurt or buzzed your right. Carl was just too slow and ineffective and really looked a level below that night, those 2 scorecards were criminal, not a chance in hell that fight was close. Carl should retire, he's done enough already. All that is waiting for him is a beating, anywhere he looks. I say go out on that wonderful win over George.

[NateJR]

Ya'll can disagree with me, but I honestly think Groves is slicker than GGG. GGG is more fundamentally sound and def. has the far better set of whiskers, but I think there are more holes in GGGs defense. Groves is kind of underrated IMO (Hopefully Froch didn't ruin him). But Groves also punches very hard, maybe harder than GGG at 168, Groves had all the tools to beat Froch, he just doesn't have the chin to stand up to Froch, but then again I don't think anyone can take Froch's best shots with out going undeterred.

I hope the fight happens because I truly feel Froch will test GGG. If by some sort of miracle GGG stops Froch, I would have no choice but to give GGG his praise as one of the top 5 P4P guys out there, maybe even a top 3 guy. If GGG wins the fight period, I will give him big props, thats how close I see this fight being. But I'm pretty confident he doesn't walk through Froch with ease and it's a very stiff test.

[Aaronide_ger]

The ward comments in this thread are laughable. The guy is fighting at a catchweight of 172 lb for his next fight. He is practically a light heavyweight. Golovkin Will move up for Froch for a huge money fight, then will move back down again to unify the division with Lemieux/Ndam/Canelo/Cotto (The winners of them) AND THEN by the end of 2016, start of 2017 if Ward is still a super middleweight the fight can happen and it will be a mega fight.

[tiny_acres]

I just hope this fight happens.GGG needs the step up in competition.
It should be a half decent fight

[Tanzio]

Double post

[Tanzio]

I would not be surprised if it became DeGale v 3G. DeGale has a belt. It might even be a better fight.

Then a super fight between Froch and 3G or DeGale in Vegas.

[KBB]

The ward comments in this thread are laughable. The guy is fighting at a catchweight of 172 lb for his next fight. He is practically a light heavyweight. Golovkin Will move up for Froch for a huge money fight, then will move back down again to unify the division with Lemieux/Ndam/Canelo/Cotto (The winners of them) AND THEN by the end of 2016, start of 2017 if Ward is still a super middleweight the fight can happen and it will be a mega fight.

On fight nights GGG is practically a LHW too, weighing upwards of 170ish. I'm not sure that Froch can beat Golovkin because he isn't exactly defensively skilled (which I think he will need to show vs GGG).

[Aaronide_ger]

The ward comments in this thread are laughable. The guy is fighting at a catchweight of 172 lb for his next fight. He is practically a light heavyweight. Golovkin Will move up for Froch for a huge money fight, then will move back down again to unify the division with Lemieux/Ndam/Canelo/Cotto (The winners of them) AND THEN by the end of 2016, start of 2017 if Ward is still a super middleweight the fight can happen and it will be a mega fight.

On fight nights GGG is practically a LHW too, weighing upwards of 170ish. I'm not sure that Froch can beat Golovkin because he isn't exactly defensively skilled (which I think he will need to show vs GGG).

Dude on fight night ward will be 180+ so you make no sense. And most Middleweights on fight night are 169-173.l

[ikorolev]

If somebody has doubts on Golovkin's power at 168, here is what Kovalev said about that:

http://www.BS.com/kovalev-on-g ... ter--91475?

[KBB]

Dude on fight night ward will be 180+ so you make no sense. And most Middleweights on fight night are 169-173.l

How is it that I make no sense when it is no secret that GGG comes in on Fight Night at 170 or above? The SMW limit is 168, anything above that puts you in the realm of a LHW 169-175 is Light Heavy Weight territory.

So the next time you say I make "no sense" then maybe you ought to check your facts because it is apparent to me that you do not know what you are talking about.

[ikorolev]

If Golovkin and Froch are LHW, then Ward and most of the other super middles become cruisers, as they weigh above 175 on a fight night. You can't use double standards weighing one fighter a day before another one.

[Aaronide_ger]

Dude on fight night ward will be 180+ so you make no sense. And most Middleweights on fight night are 169-173.l

How is it that I make no sense when it is no secret that GGG comes in on Fight Night at 170 or above? The SMW limit is 168, anything above that puts you in the realm of a LHW 169-175 is Light Heavy Weight territory.

So the next time you say I make "no sense" then maybe you ought to check your facts because it is apparent to me that you do not know what you are talking about.

Dude, Fight night is a whole different story, Kovalev weight in at 191 fight night. Should he fight at cruiserweight? Try to understand what im trying to say next time.

[KBB]

Dude, Fight night is a whole different story, Kovalev weight in at 191 fight night. Should he fight at cruiserweight? Try to understand what im trying to say next time.

I understand very well, you're the one who comes here saying that I don't make any sense. Yes, Kovalev should fight at CW, why not? Fighting weight and actual walk around weight doesn't mean all that much in determining whether or not someone can actually fight at a certain weight or not, weight doesn't win fights, skill do......how else could Manny and Floyd moved up to so many weight classes and been so dominant?
(rhetorical)

[Aaronide_ger]

Dude, Fight night is a whole different story, Kovalev weight in at 191 fight night. Should he fight at cruiserweight? Try to understand what im trying to say next time.

I understand very well, you're the one who comes here saying that I don't make any sense. Yes, Kovalev should fight at CW, why not? Fighting weight and actual walk around weight doesn't mean all that much in determining whether or not someone can actually fight at a certain weight or not, weight doesn't win fights, skill do......how else could Manny and Floyd moved up to so many weight classes and been so dominant?
(rhetorical)

Dude everything you just said right now makes ZERO sense, first you keep saying that Golovkin should be fighting at light heavy based on his fight night weight, but then u agreed that kovalev should also be fighting at cruiserweight.. So Maidana should be a super middleweight,Lomachenko should be a lightweight and Naoya Inoue should be a Super Bantamweight. Dude wake up the rules of weight ins have changed and allow boxers to put on massive ammount of lb fight night. Deal with it.

[KBB]

now makes ZERO sense, first you keep saying that Golovkin should be fighting at light heavy based on his fight night weight, but then u agreed that kovalev should also be fighting at cruiserweight.. So Maidana should be a super middleweight,Lomachenko should be a lightweight and Naoya Inoue should be a Super Bantamweight. Dude wake up the rules of weight ins have changed and allow boxers to put on massive ammount of lb fight night. Deal with it.

I'm making the point that if a fighter is walking around at 175 then fights at 160 that he can easily move to 175 and fight there with no problems, he won't be weakened by that move and is capable as long as he has the skills to compete, be effective and win.

It's too bad that you cannot seem to understand and continually say that I'm not making any sense when you are assuming you know what I'm saying when it is apparent you don't.

GGG knows he has an advantage fighting at 160 rather than 175, can he make 175? Yes, without a doubt but why doesn't he fight there; sure it's not his "fighting weight" but it is his natural weight so he doesn't fight there because those advantages he'd have over guys at 60 he wouldn't have at 75.

I'm not sure why you do not get this.

[ikorolev]

Yes, he can fight at 175, but then he would be fighting 190+ pound opponents. Why should he do that unless he calls himself "The Best Ever" ?

[david1963]

Yes, he can fight at 175, but then he would be fighting 190+ pound opponents. Why should he do that unless he calls himself "The Best Ever" ?

Absolutely. This is so basic I'm surprised it needs to be said.

[ikorolev]

I don't call any fighter TBE. Some fighters call themselves TBE though. Gennady is NOT one of them.

[ikorolev]

Froch is already warming up to the idea of fighting DeGale who is a much easier opponent than Golovkin:

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/05/fro ... opponents/?

Cobra, do a good thing for fans -- fight GGG.

[punchoutsb]

I'm making the point that if a fighter is walking around at 175 then fights at 160 that he can easily move to 175 and fight there with no problems, he won't be weakened by that move and is capable as long as he has the skills to compete, be effective and win.

The problem is this fighter will then be fighting guys who drained to 175, putting him at a big disadvantage. True, he won't have to cut weight to make weight, but he will be giving up possibly close to 20 lbs. And despite being skilled, there is a reason we have weight classes.