PACQUIAO'S NEXT BOUT, barring no rematch

[KBB]

Who will it be against? Will Arum match him with a puncher (Matthyse, Maidana, JMM again)??

Or will he match him softly to avoid a possible KO so that he can give him a tune-up for a FMJr rematch??

Your thoughts??

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I'm hoping there isn't a rematch with Mayweather Jr, because it's not necesarry, but if they're intent on putting this on again, then Pacquiao does not need difficult opponents that could scupper it.

He's not going to be ready to fight for one year, so he might as well recuperate & keep himself in shape & go straight into a rematch, if there is going to be one.

[KBB]

I'm hoping there isn't a rematch with Mayweather Jr, because it's not necesarry, but if they're intent on putting this on again, then Pacquiao does not need difficult opponents that could scupper it.

He's not going to be ready to fight for one year, so he might as well recuperate & keep himself in shape & go straight into a rematch, if there is going to be one.

What about the "Rust Factor"?

Think about it, if he loses again then this will allow for another excuse.

[david1963]

I think he's done. A full time career in politics beckons. There definitely won't be a rematch with Mayweather. There aren't enough mugs in the world to fall for that one again.

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I think he's done. A full time career in politics beckons. There definitely won't be a rematch with Mayweather. There aren't enough mugs in the world to fall that one again.

Even though I'm sure the outcome would be without controversy the second time around there will be many interested in seeing it again, some people have bought into the shoulder injury and then some of us are just boxing fans that will watch any bout just to see if the unexpected happens.

It surely won't do the 4.4 plus million that it has done but I wouldn't be surprised if it is over 1.5, most of the casual fans will not watch it because they don't understand what they're watching anyway.

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I'm hoping there isn't a rematch with Mayweather Jr, because it's not necesarry, but if they're intent on putting this on again, then Pacquiao does not need difficult opponents that could scupper it.

He's not going to be ready to fight for one year, so he might as well recuperate & keep himself in shape & go straight into a rematch, if there is going to be one.

What about the "Rust Factor"?

Think about it, if he loses again then this will allow for another excuse.

Yes, you're right; a ready made excuse in the offering.

It's a tough one because he doesn't want to be fighting anyone that presents a serious risk to him, so he's going to need a relatively low risk tune-up.

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Yes, you're right; a ready made excuse in the offering.

It's a tough one because he doesn't want to be fighting anyone that presents a serious risk to him, so he's going to need a relatively low risk tune-up.

Four reasons why I agree with a low risk tune-up:

1. He will be coming off of the surgery

2. He will be rusty

3. He deserves it, he fights good to great competition year after year

4. So he won't have an excuse about ring rust going into a rematch

[Badhusker]

I predict it will be either a soft touch, like a Malagnaggi, or Khan, assuming he gets past Algieri.

[N2 Shape]

Arum takes a small gamble and Puts on Pacquiao Vs JMM in Macau early 2016. By then JMM would probably happily accept another decent pay-day, Pacman will probably accept a little less to make it happen to exact revenge for his KO defeat. Its a fight that still holds interest given the last result.

Certainly not an easy fight coming off a layoff but chances of JMM fighitng between now and early 2016 get slimmer by the day so both may come off lay offs for one last hurrah.

[davie]

Arum takes a small gamble and Puts on Pacquiao Vs JMM in Macau early 2016. By then JMM would probably happily accept another decent pay-day, Pacman will probably accept a little less to make it happen to exact revenge for his KO defeat. Its a fight that still holds interest given the last result.

Certainly not an easy fight coming off a layoff but chances of JMM fighitng between now and early 2016 get slimmer by the day so both may come off lay offs for one last hurrah.

I can see this scenario playing out

Outcome?

[amwsnw]

Boxing purists may not mind seeing a rematch, but i think the hype it generated in the general public will be noweher near the level for a rematch.
rematch isnt needed. Wasnt a competitive bout and no one got robbed. I would like to Manny to say enough is enough and retire. he has nothing left to prove.

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Arum takes a small gamble and Puts on Pacquiao Vs JMM in Macau early 2016. By then JMM would probably happily accept another decent pay-day, Pacman will probably accept a little less to make it happen to exact revenge for his KO defeat. Its a fight that still holds interest given the last result.

Certainly not an easy fight coming off a layoff but chances of JMM fighitng between now and early 2016 get slimmer by the day so both may come off lay offs for one last hurrah.

Well let's also add in that at this point with JMM will be 41 or 42 years old going into a 5th fight with MP so I'm certain that they will think it is a totally safe fight as I'm certain Marquez will be much slower and easier to hit.

[kidbazooka1]

Well we know Arum wants no part of Matthysse thats for sure.

It might be a gimmie like mallignaggior someone along those lines.

[caldo2025]

What does Manny have left to prove or to achieve? Nothing. He thought he finally got a fight with the guy he's been chasing through the prime time of his career only to find it was a track meet and not a fight.

I don't think Manny can leave the limelight so easily though and that will be his undoing IMO. He will continue to fight tough fights for the next few whether it be Khan, Matthysee or FMJ. I think Khan or Matthysee will knock him out though and that will lead to some tough love talks urging he retire while he still can.

A rematch SHOULD be something Floyd leans on for his final fight because he knows that he can outrun Manny and not get into trouble but i think that Floyd will opt for Cotto provided he defends his Middleweight (lol) Title. Still can't believe that we are calling Cotto the lineal Middleweight Champ. That's sad.

Manny's got nothing left to prove. I hope that Roach can talk some sense into him at this point because it would be sad to see Manny on the canvas like that again staining a legendary career that we won't see for many years to come.

[koolkc107]

What does Manny have left to prove or to achieve? Nothing. He thought he finally got a fight with the guy he's been chasing through the prime time of his career only to find it was a track meet and not a fight.

I don't think Manny can leave the limelight so easily though and that will be his undoing IMO. He will continue to fight tough fights for the next few whether it be Khan, Matthysee or FMJ. I think Khan or Matthysee will knock him out though and that will lead to some tough love talks urging he retire while he still can.

A rematch SHOULD be something Floyd leans on for his final fight because he knows that he can outrun Manny and not get into trouble but i think that Floyd will opt for Cotto provided he defends his Middleweight (lol) Title. Still can't believe that we are calling Cotto the lineal Middleweight Champ. That's sad.

Manny's got nothing left to prove. I hope that Roach can talk some sense into him at this point because it would be sad to see Manny on the canvas like that again staining a legendary career that we won't see for many years to come.

He got outlanded 2 to 1 in what you call a track meet.

If someone is running from you, how does that happen?

I still laugh like a chubby toddler everytime somebody makes the excuse about Manny losing because Floyd "wouldn't stand still and let himself get hit".

And it is twice as funny when it comes from a so called fan of the sport.

Pac's next fight will be a lollipop, someone even easier than Algieri or Rios.

Probably Hank Lundy. LMAO!!!!

[caldo2025]

He got outlanded 2 to 1 in what you call a track meet.

If someone is running from you, how does that happen?

I still laugh like a chubby toddler everytime somebody makes the excuse about Manny losing because Floyd "wouldn't stand still and let himself get hit".

And it is twice as funny when it comes from a so called fan of the sport.

Pac's next fight will be a lollipop, someone even easier than Algieri or Rios.

Probably Hank Lundy. LMAO!!!!

Here he goes again, everyone. Settle down, man...not saying Manny won or anything. Floyd won, it's ok...you can relax your mothering instincts when it comes to protecting your boy.

Merely saying, one guy wanted to give the fans their money's worth and one guy wanted to run, hold and run...and repeat...

Not only does no one want to see Floyd fight Manny again but i don't think anyone wants to watch Floyd fight again.

This will be evident in Floyd's PPV buys in his next fight. This will be his lowest PPV gate unless he picks Cotto who will bring a ton of PR fans with him to spend dumb money to watch yet another boring win by Floyd in which he never hurts his opponent once.

When was the last time Floyd hurt a guy in the ring? In his last 8 fights, he's got one knockdown but it was against a guy known for a huge chin, Victor Ortiz..lololololololol....and even that knockdown came while Ortiz was trying to hug him for the 10th time. lol. What a joke. AND...I think Ortiz took a dive. So basically, Floyd's a boxer who has one knockdown his last 8 fights. 8 straight fights without hurting his opponent once or even stunning them wobbly-not once. How exciting. Now correct me if i'm wrong, you are supposed to hurt the other guy still right? I mean that is still the goal in a fight right?

Floyd picks the venue, the ref, the judges...and people still think they are going to get a fair shake. I'll probably buy the fight because i'm a true fan but most people are sick of the act as they should be.

You need to find a new hero, bro.

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I predict it will be either a soft touch, like a Malagnaggi, or Khan, assuming he gets past Algieri.

Do you really think Amir Khan is a soft touch?

Khan is an extremely high risk opponent for the current version of Pacquiao, let alone a version that will be a year older, with a year of ring rust & coming off major surgery.

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I predict it will be either a soft touch, like a Malagnaggi, or Khan, assuming he gets past Algieri.

Do you really think Amir Khan is a soft touch?

Khan is an extremely high risk opponent for the current version of Pacquiao, let alone a version that will be a year older, with a year of ring rust & coming off major surgery.

The perception (based on a measure of truth, of course) of Amir's weak chin, will often prove to be an advantage for him when it comes to getting big fights. And guys will certainly head-hunt when in with him, often to their own detriment, because his offense is among the best in the sport.
If he can get it into his head and reflexes to move a tiny bit more and to not hold prolonged exchange scenarios with hitters, he'll be beastly hard to defeat.
He's got a lot of big fights ahead and he'll almost always have a good chance of winning those fights.
Do I think he will win those fights? Nope, not all of them. I hope he gets KOd in every one.
I have always hated (sport-wise) Amir and listening to the delusional sh*t that drips out of his pie hole, and I love nothing more than to see him get folded up into a little cube, but I'm not blind to the speed and offensive trick bag he brings, and those are nothing to snicker at.
I wouldn't call Amir a soft touch for anyone.
So, as much as I dislike Amir, I must admit I love to see his fights, because they're much more often fun to watch than not.
So I guess technically I'm a fan of his, even if just hope to see him lose in brutal fashion.

Algieri though? Easy work. Sad choice of opponent only makes it more obvious that Amir is still frightened to take any risk to jeopardize a shot at Floyd. How long has he been stalling now on the hope of that fight? Seems like forever.

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I predict it will be either a soft touch, like a Malagnaggi, or Khan, assuming he gets past Algieri.

Do you really think Amir Khan is a soft touch?

Khan is an extremely high risk opponent for the current version of Pacquiao, let alone a version that will be a year older, with a year of ring rust & coming off major surgery.

The perception (based on a measure of truth, of course) of Amir's weak chin, will often prove to be an advantage for him when it comes to getting big fights. And guys will certainly head-hunt when in with him, often to their own detriment, because his offense is among the best in the sport.
If he can get it into his head and reflexes to move a tiny bit more and to not hold prolonged exchange scenarios with hitters, he'll be beastly hard to defeat.
He's got a lot of big fights ahead and he'll almost always have a good chance of winning those fights.
Do I think he will win those fights? Nope, not all of them. I hope he gets KOd in every one.
I have always hated (sport-wise) Amir and listening to the delusional sh*t that drips out of his pie hole, and I love nothing more than to see him get folded up into a little cube, but I'm not blind to the speed and offensive trick bag he brings, and those are nothing to snicker at.
I wouldn't call Amir a soft touch for anyone.
So, as much as I dislike Amir, I must admit I love to see his fights, because they're much more often fun to watch than not.
So I guess technically I'm a fan of his, even if just hope to see him lose in brutal fashion.

Algieri though? Easy work. Sad choice of opponent only makes it more obvious that Amir is still frightened to take any risk to jeopardize a shot at Floyd. How long has he been stalling now on the hope of that fight? Seems like forever.

Agree with this.

Khan has got his career on virtual hold because of the prospect of fighting Mayweather & it wouldn't surprise me if that fight never happens anyway.

He could have fought Brook & tried to win a belt which would increase his pedigree, but somehow looks down on Brook, criticises Brook's opponents, but won't fight Kell himself.

[david1963]

I think Mrs Pacquiao will have a big influence on what happens next, and without knowing very much about her, it's easy to predict a wife will tell her husband it's time to quit. The only reason Pacquiao might fight again is if he needs the money. That's possible, but even then he has to be fit enough to fight on.

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Here he goes again, everyone. Settle down, man...not saying Manny won or anything. Floyd won, it's ok...you can relax your mothering instincts when it comes to protecting your boy.

Merely saying, one guy wanted to give the fans their money's worth and one guy wanted to run, hold and run...and repeat...

Not only does no one want to see Floyd fight Manny again but i don't think anyone wants to watch Floyd fight again.

This will be evident in Floyd's PPV buys in his next fight. This will be his lowest PPV gate unless he picks Cotto who will bring a ton of PR fans with him to spend dumb money to watch yet another boring win by Floyd in which he never hurts his opponent once.

When was the last time Floyd hurt a guy in the ring? In his last 8 fights, he's got one knockdown but it was against a guy known for a huge chin, Victor Ortiz..lololololololol....and even that knockdown came while Ortiz was trying to hug him for the 10th time. lol. What a joke. AND...I think Ortiz took a dive. So basically, Floyd's a boxer who has one knockdown his last 8 fights. 8 straight fights without hurting his opponent once or even stunning them wobbly-not once. How exciting. Now correct me if i'm wrong, you are supposed to hurt the other guy still right? I mean that is still the goal in a fight right?

Floyd picks the venue, the ref, the judges...and people still think they are going to get a fair shake. I'll probably buy the fight because i'm a true fan but most people are sick of the act as they should be.

You need to find a new hero, bro.

Here WE go again, same ol garbage!! Complaining about judges, refs (who actually ref'd more fights for Manny than he did Floyd), complaining about Floyd running and blah, blah, blah.

So is Floyd supposed to change his style to satisfy you? The fans? Or is he supposed to win? Even if he did go toe to toe and win in a decision you'd still be here saying the same thing over and over again. You Crybaby/Sore Losers want sooooo badly for Floyd to lose that you will say anything about what his opponent's are supposedly going to do to him before a fight but then when that opponent lose you rinse and repeat the same mantra of excuses about Refs, Judges and running.

Boxing is not about being entertaining regardless of what you think you are paying for, it's about one man winning and the other guy not having the skills to best the other man's skillset.

Would we prefer it to be entertaining? Sure we would but boxers don't get paid to be entertaining, they get paid to box (not Brawl or Fight), there is a difference in case you do not know, which is clearly apparent.

99% of people who watch "BOXING" aren't truly "BOXING" fans, you are high action junkies who want to see a blood and guts brawl/fight so in reality you are not even a REAL fan of the sport of "BOXING". You are just a fan of action and brawls, why don't you watch Bar Room Brawling, none of the guys have any real skills there, they stand toe to toe and bash one another's brains in to your delight. You won't have any of the complaints you have here about running, judges or Refs.

Oh and btw, the fight is over, why are you still here crying about things like judges and refs and insinuating that somehow there was some form of cheating going on when you have provided not one shred of proof??

[caldo2025]

So is Floyd supposed to change his style to satisfy you? The fans? Or is he supposed to win? Even if he did go toe to toe and win in a decision you'd still be here saying the same thing over and over again. You Crybaby/Sore Losers want sooooo badly for Floyd to lose that you will say anything about what his opponent's are supposedly going to do to him before a fight but then when that opponent lose you rinse and repeat the same mantra of excuses about Refs, Judges and running.

Boxing is not about being entertaining regardless of what you think you are paying for, it's about one man winning and the other guy not having the skills to best the other man's skillset.

Would we prefer it to be entertaining? Sure we would but boxers don't get paid to be entertaining, they get paid to box (not Brawl or Fight), there is a difference in case you do not know, which is clearly apparent.

99% of people who watch "BOXING" aren't truly "BOXING" fans, you are high action junkies who want to see a blood and guts brawl/fight so in reality you are not even a REAL fan of the sport of "BOXING". You are just a fan of action and brawls, why don't you watch Bar Room Brawling, none of the guys have any real skills there, they stand toe to toe and bash one another's brains in to your delight. You won't have any of the complaints you have here about running, judges or Refs.

I'm not going to keep this dumb argument going with you for any longer than I have to. You fail to bring anything new to the table int he discussion so it's like shoveling dung into the shore with you. You fail to see anything from objectivity and your assessment of my boxing IQ doesn't bother me as wrong as it is.

But, one of the most ridiculous things you've ever said in here, that i've witnessed, is that "Boxing isn't about entertaining"
That's ALL it is about my friend and all the combat sports like boxing have been about since the Ancient Romans. i'm sure before that as well. The entertainment value of FMJ's style lately, especially since Sr. came back into gym with his son, is garbage. His style is less engaging with Sr. and less crowd pleasing than it was under Roger during those years FMJ did most of his damage and raised his popularity to where it is now. So you are telling me, as a Floyd Superfan, that you are just as satisfied with Floyd's win over Chino in their second fight than you were with Floyd's demolishing of Hatton or Gatti? I loved seeing Floyd go for the knockout and it's not something we've seen for many years. You can't count that Ortiz BS because VO doesn't have a morsel of heart and could have gotten up for the count that night but chose to take the easy way out not realizing that the punch Floyd landed was a legal one, yet not very sportsman, but legal nevertheless.

As a pom pom shaking Floyd Fanboy, does it bother you in the least that we've never seen Floyd even close to at his best? I think it's super sad, as a fan of the sport of boxing, that Floyd has failed to get out of his comfort zone and really show the world what he can do. I have freely admitted that anyone claiming that Floyd is TBE has a better argument than most and I won't argue that because he deserves to be in the conversation on ability i've witnessed alone, not the body of work. I have also admitted that he has more skill than I've ever seen in my generation. Hands down, no doubt. But, it doesn't bother you at all that he will not go down in history as one of the greatest because his safety first approach career is void of that gut check victory in a war like all the greats have had? You name me some of the greatest boxers in history and i'll show a signature bout marking their anointment. You can't do that with Floyd and that's sad for Floyd fans, non fans and these blood hungry people you refer to.

And...when I see a boxer that clearly has more skill than his opponents like Floyd, go this long without even trying to push for a KO or even a knockdown, I have to call it out. It's not because i'm a monster truck fan just looking for blood and guts, it's just that Floyd will never give us that moment we all want as boxing fans. We all want THAT fight we watch to be special in someway that we see something we've never seen before and Floyd's fights, aside from Chino 1, have been carbon copies for years now. He's found a strategy in the comfort of his home confines in which it is impossible to beat when you consider the advantages he reaps before he gets in the ring. If you don't acknowledge Floyd to have an advantage going into these fights then you have wider blinders on than i thought. It's fact.

That's all i'll say at this point. We've pounded this nail too many times and we clearly won't see eye to eye on it so there's no sense going back and forth with the same old nonsense.

[tiny_acres]

So is Floyd supposed to change his style to satisfy you? The fans? Or is he supposed to win? Even if he did go toe to toe and win in a decision you'd still be here saying the same thing over and over again. You Crybaby/Sore Losers want sooooo badly for Floyd to lose that you will say anything about what his opponent's are supposedly going to do to him before a fight but then when that opponent lose you rinse and repeat the same mantra of excuses about Refs, Judges and running.

Boxing is not about being entertaining regardless of what you think you are paying for, it's about one man winning and the other guy not having the skills to best the other man's skillset.

Would we prefer it to be entertaining? Sure we would but boxers don't get paid to be entertaining, they get paid to box (not Brawl or Fight), there is a difference in case you do not know, which is clearly apparent.

99% of people who watch "BOXING" aren't truly "BOXING" fans, you are high action junkies who want to see a blood and guts brawl/fight so in reality you are not even a REAL fan of the sport of "BOXING". You are just a fan of action and brawls, why don't you watch Bar Room Brawling, none of the guys have any real skills there, they stand toe to toe and bash one another's brains in to your delight. You won't have any of the complaints you have here about running, judges or Refs.

I'm not going to keep this dumb argument going with you for any longer than I have to. You fail to bring anything new to the table int he discussion so it's like shoveling dung into the shore with you. You fail to see anything from objectivity and your assessment of my boxing IQ doesn't bother me as wrong as it is.

But, one of the most ridiculous things you've ever said in here, that i've witnessed, is that "Boxing isn't about entertaining"
That's ALL it is about my friend and all the combat sports like boxing have been about since the Ancient Romans. i'm sure before that as well. The entertainment value of FMJ's style lately, especially since Sr. came back into gym with his son, is garbage. His style is less engaging with Sr. and less crowd pleasing than it was under Roger during those years FMJ did most of his damage and raised his popularity to where it is now. So you are telling me, as a Floyd Superfan, that you are just as satisfied with Floyd's win over Chino in their second fight than you were with Floyd's demolishing of Hatton or Gatti? I loved seeing Floyd go for the knockout and it's not something we've seen for many years. You can't count that Ortiz BS because VO doesn't have a morsel of heart and could have gotten up for the count that night but chose to take the easy way out not realizing that the punch Floyd landed was a legal one, yet not very sportsman, but legal nevertheless.

As a pom pom shaking Floyd Fanboy, does it bother you in the least that we've never seen Floyd even close to at his best? I think it's super sad, as a fan of the sport of boxing, that Floyd has failed to get out of his comfort zone and really show the world what he can do. I have freely admitted that anyone claiming that Floyd is TBE has a better argument than most and I won't argue that because he deserves to be in the conversation on ability i've witnessed alone, not the body of work. I have also admitted that he has more skill than I've ever seen in my generation. Hands down, no doubt. But, it doesn't bother you at all that he will not go down in history as one of the greatest because his safety first approach career is void of that gut check victory in a war like all the greats have had? You name me some of the greatest boxers in history and i'll show a signature bout marking their anointment. You can't do that with Floyd and that's sad for Floyd fans, non fans and these blood hungry people you refer to.

And...when I see a boxer that clearly has more skill than his opponents like Floyd, go this long without even trying to push for a KO or even a knockdown, I have to call it out. It's not because i'm a monster truck fan just looking for blood and guts, it's just that Floyd will never give us that moment we all want as boxing fans. We all want THAT fight we watch to be special in someway that we see something we've never seen before and Floyd's fights, aside from Chino 1, have been carbon copies for years now. He's found a strategy in the comfort of his home confines in which it is impossible to beat when you consider the advantages he reaps before he gets in the ring. If you don't acknowledge Floyd to have an advantage going into these fights then you have wider blinders on than i thought. It's fact.

That's all i'll say at this point. We've pounded this nail too many times and we clearly won't see eye to eye on it so there's no sense going back and forth with the same old nonsense.

boxing is not about entertainment. It is about competition.
Entertainment is a by product of this but entertainment is not sole objective.
Any trainer, manager or promoter will say the same thing I just stated.

[Badhusker]

I predict it will be either a soft touch, like a Malagnaggi, or Khan, assuming he gets past Algieri.

Do you really think Amir Khan is a soft touch?

Khan is an extremely high risk opponent for the current version of Pacquiao, let alone a version that will be a year older, with a year of ring rust & coming off major surgery.

To be honest, no I don't consider him a soft touch. I just hate the SOB bad enough to want to dis him at every turn I guess. His delusional rants, along with his blatant avoiding and refusing top opponents at welterweight just drives me batty. He might even beat a guy like Brook, Thurman, Porter, or Guerrero....who knows? He just doesn't have the self confidence to put everything on the line because he is afraid to lose. A loss would crush his dream of getting the big money fight. He doesn't want the best fights, he just wants the one big fight. If he is competitive, he can retire and say he fought the best and no one else is a challenge. The fact is guys below Floyd like the ones I mentioned would probably beat him worse that Floyd would.

Hunter has improved him in terms of protecting his chin. It only takes one big shot though, and a trainer can't make a chin better. Its only a matter of time. Collazo was the only true welterweight Khan has fought in terms of size. Molina, Diaz, Alexander, and now Algieri are basically 140 lbers. Molina wasn't even that. None have hardly even decent power. He will run out of those guys soon.

[KBB]

I'm not going to keep this dumb argument going with you for any longer than I have to. You fail to bring anything new to the table int he discussion so it's like shoveling dung into the shore with you. You fail to see anything from objectivity and your assessment of my boxing IQ doesn't bother me as wrong as it is.

But, one of the most ridiculous things you've ever said in here, that i've witnessed, is that "Boxing isn't about entertaining"
That's ALL it is about my friend and all the combat sports like boxing have been about since the Ancient Romans. i'm sure before that as well. The entertainment value of FMJ's style lately, especially since Sr. came back into gym with his son, is garbage. His style is less engaging with Sr. and less crowd pleasing than it was under Roger during those years FMJ did most of his damage and raised his popularity to where it is now. So you are telling me, as a Floyd Superfan, that you are just as satisfied with Floyd's win over Chino in their second fight than you were with Floyd's demolishing of Hatton or Gatti? I loved seeing Floyd go for the knockout and it's not something we've seen for many years. You can't count that Ortiz BS because VO doesn't have a morsel of heart and could have gotten up for the count that night but chose to take the easy way out not realizing that the punch Floyd landed was a legal one, yet not very sportsman, but legal nevertheless.

As a pom pom shaking Floyd Fanboy, does it bother you in the least that we've never seen Floyd even close to at his best? I think it's super sad, as a fan of the sport of boxing, that Floyd has failed to get out of his comfort zone and really show the world what he can do. I have freely admitted that anyone claiming that Floyd is TBE has a better argument than most and I won't argue that because he deserves to be in the conversation on ability i've witnessed alone, not the body of work. I have also admitted that he has more skill than I've ever seen in my generation. Hands down, no doubt. But, it doesn't bother you at all that he will not go down in history as one of the greatest because his safety first approach career is void of that gut check victory in a war like all the greats have had? You name me some of the greatest boxers in history and i'll show a signature bout marking their anointment. You can't do that with Floyd and that's sad for Floyd fans, non fans and these blood hungry people you refer to.

And...when I see a boxer that clearly has more skill than his opponents like Floyd, go this long without even trying to push for a KO or even a knockdown, I have to call it out. It's not because i'm a monster truck fan just looking for blood and guts, it's just that Floyd will never give us that moment we all want as boxing fans. We all want THAT fight we watch to be special in someway that we see something we've never seen before and Floyd's fights, aside from Chino 1, have been carbon copies for years now. He's found a strategy in the comfort of his home confines in which it is impossible to beat when you consider the advantages he reaps before he gets in the ring. If you don't acknowledge Floyd to have an advantage going into these fights then you have wider blinders on than i thought. It's fact.

That's all i'll say at this point. We've pounded this nail too many times and we clearly won't see eye to eye on it so there's no sense going back and forth with the same old nonsense.

As stated earlier, entertainment is a by-product of the competition in a boxing match. I'm very satisfied with whatever Floyd does in the ring because he uses very subtle movements and skills that the uninitiated (like you) simply do not understand what you are looking at. The reason you do not understand "BOXING" is because as I stated before you are an entertainment junkie, just read into your own post and you will see yourself for who you are. You are not a boxing fan, I know that this may come as news or bad news to you but you simply do not like boxing, brawling you love, fighting, you love but not BOXING (there is a difference).

We have seen Floyd at his best and so far his best has beaten everyone, too bad you do not understand that he has given us just that. Can you simply imagine if Floyd vs Corrales (which I think is his very best) was more than what it really was or that Floyd had given us this so called "best" that you are looking for what we would've really seen??

He will go down as one of the greatest, people don't like his persona and that keeps people from rating him high like he truly deserves, I get that part but it's sorta like a comparison of how Dennis Rodman was back in the 90's with the Bulls; off the court people hated him but once he stepped on the court he was a master of his domain, you have to respect what he does even if you do not like the person.

I have the uncanny ability to separate the boxer from his persona which leaves me with a clear cut judgment of what he does in the ring as opposed to mixing it with how he carries himself out of the ring (<<<<that person I don't particularly like).

You are incapable of separating the two so you look for ways to be critical (as you are doing here) about any little thing you can find as a way to cast shadows over what he does and was able to accomplish.....I get it, I see your types all day at work. You are no different than those people.

Floyd has advantages but so do other fighters, you mentioned Chino, well let's take a look at the advantages he has over Floyd:

Younger, Stronger, naturally bigger, more killer instinct, are these not advantages over Mayweather?? I certainly think so. Manny had advantages too: More experience due to more fights, stronger, Southpaw, equal quickness, equal stamina, so why can't you see this instead of focusing only on Floyd and what advantages you perceive him to have over every opponent??

I'll tell you why, it's because you dislike him as a person and cannot separate the fighter from his out of the ring persona and that leaves you to your own Dislike/Hatred of him so you make every effort to put him down any chance you get. I get it, I know your type.

So, truth being told; the only one who has blinders on is you because you are only focusing on your negative perception of Floyd the fighter and mixing him with Floyd the person outside of the ring and neither of them you like because you favor Manny Pacquiao who Mayweather just happen to beat recently.

We all get it, no need for the stupid Pom Pom insults, I'm not insulting you.

Have a nice day.