Please Explain Your Scoring

[squiggy]

Totally agree james, judges don't get video on the night but how else can you scrutinize judges better than make sure their scorecards are accurate, most sports in the world, scoring with accuracy isn't an issue, shooting baskets, kicking goals etc, most sports scrutinize their own refs who are the officials for the scoring aswell, punters bet on boxing so it should be deemed to be critical that judges be accurate but way too often they are miles off, if all title fights were scrutinized in this way and judges rated on their performance maybe boxing wouldn't be seen as the most corrupt sport in the world

It's just not comparable. You can't use slow motion video as a criticism of a judge, as this isn't how they judge fights.

I used to write about boxing, at shows I would sometimes be right behind the judges, and the view was pretty lousy, often the fighters had their back to you, or the ref was in the way, so it was hard to tell how cleanly a punch landed, or indeed, whether it landed on a target area. So how is your method of spending literally weeks sifting through videos of a fight in slow motion relevant - that is not a tool judges have, therefore is not really a useful criticism. Scoring is always going to be subjective, there's no way around it, even if we used a compubox style method as Olympic boxing used to, you still have problems including human error. Fact is, when boxers fight at full tilt, it can be very hard to be sure how many clean shots are landed.

Football (soccer) has been shown to be massively corrupt, as have other sports, I see no direct evidence that boxing is more corrupt, it is more subjective, which lends itself to controversy. There are indeed bias' in boxing, but that's a longer story.

Of course slow motion video analysis is different from real time judging, but... How else are we going to analyze or criticize the judging? Even if we were right there, ringside, looking over one judge's shoulder, we can't have fully shared their exact subjective experience. And given that fact--and the fact that this is a bunch of people analyzing a fight that happened weeks ago, in an era of plentiful video footage--watching carefully and weighing in on what *should* have been judged seems like a pretty understandable way to go about it.

[Pureist]

[KBB]

[KBB]

Pureist's information is unreliable, as it was posted by a biased, dishonest and a hypocritical individual whose sole agenda is to undermine Floyd's victory over his "hero".

This sums up everything about this fake guy (Pureist), I've stated as much about him too which he refuses to admit. At least I can honestly state I have a bias for Mayweather but it isn't the type of bias that blinds me to certain facts about him.

I've openly stated I believe he lost to Castillo and should be 47-1, that he was knocked down by Judah and isn't exactly someone I'd have my kids look up to outside of the ring. My bias comes in when I see utter BS and straight up hate and lies posted up like those Pureist and the other PacTURDS post up that I usually correct or dispel in some fashion or another.

[DA GOOSE]

Good lord fergusg has absolutely destroyed pureist. What was that you said about him not being the sharpest tool in the shed pureist?

[Emil]

Good lord fergusg has absolutely destroyed pureist. What was that you said about him not being the sharpest tool in the shed pureist?

I don't bother to read fergusg lengthy posts anymore since it is filled with nonsense and arguments that has nothing to do with the topic on hand and yes he is not the sharpest tool in the shed. He is like toned down, trying to be intellectual version of brut. And no need to post 5 pages in reply to this filled with selected quotes and links to random web pages.

[Pureist]

Pureist wrote:
Floyd buys his wins these days, manipulates all the circumstances, cherry picks opponents, drives wedges between promotors clearing his way to avoid certain opponents, fraud mayweather at his best
Let's start analyzing that post shell we, Floyd buys his wins these days, did he come in overweight against jMM, ( very unprofessional ), did he PAY 1.2 million for that luxury, yes------ did he pay maidana an undisclosed amount to not wear approved horse hair gloves, yes-------did he make a poll stating that his fans could pick his next opponent, yes, did khan win the poll, yes, did he fight khan, no, did he fight maidana the loser of the poll, yes-------- did he jump up and down and refuse to fight maidana until he agreed not to wear horsehair gloves that were approved by the commission, yes and then paying basically a bribe,----------when was his last mandatory defence, he hasn't been forced to fight anyone as other champions have, has he specified ring sizes in contracts to suit his agenda, yes-------- all true above which make my statement correct and not biased, good try ferg, keep up the good work, at least you having a dip at discrediting me

[DA GOOSE]

Good lord fergusg has absolutely destroyed pureist. What was that you said about him not being the sharpest tool in the shed pureist?

I don't bother to read fergusg lengthy posts anymore since it is filled with nonsense and arguments that has nothing to do with the topic on hand and yes he is not the sharpest tool in the shed. He is like toned down, trying to be intellectual version of brut. And no need to post 5 pages in reply to this filled with selected quotes and links to random web pages.

I don't post here much as you can see by my post count and length of time I've been here. So I don't know who brut is but he(pureist) started 4 threads on another website and one was ''Lara runs but Mayweather evades''. Claiming posters were picking on Lara after he fought Canelo because he wasn't American. He didn't even watch the fight!!!!!! why start a thread mentioning Mayweather on a fight he didn't compete in that you didn't watch. I can understand people not liking him because he's a woman beater amongst many other of his other undesirable personality traits but h is a very good(if not a little boring at times) boxer who clearly beat the fighter of the decade.
He is incapable of being objective about boxers he doesn't like.

[Pureist]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pureist
I personally love watching floyd for his skills, I'm a trainer and love to pick apart skill sets, from a trainers point of view, you don't want your charge getting battered, from a fans view, that's all they want to see, I watch floyd for this reason but I definitely don't find him an exciting fighter, talented, skilled yes, Taylor v Chavez was a *******, perfect fight in my eyes. Is this a post of mine da moron, yes, did you supply the link to this thread I posted this in, yes, yet you try to say I'm biased, everything I post is correct, truthful and not biased about Floyd, if pacquaio did as Floyd did with the poll, the gloves, I'd being saying the same thing about him, now let's hear you be truthful, what did you and your friends have to say about boxrec, what did you and your friends do to esb australia, let's see how honest you are and how much integrity you have, PS did you tell everyone your normal posting name is" stifflers mum "just in case they want to google some of your background posts

[Pureist]

Now for Ferg, if you look at my count for round 2, you will notice pacquaio out scored Floyd on the punch count, you will also notice I said after that I said all the quality punches were with Floyd, floyds round, DID YOU HAPPEN TO MISS THAT. you stated you showed proof that i was a floyd hater, im still waiting to see it, you seem to claim a lot but you really need to back it up, while doing the punch count i also take note of the quality landed, the ring generalship and effective aggression, its very obvious that you guys cant fault my punch count so your trying to tarnish me, however, lets turn the arguement around, kbb has already admitted he is very biased, it also seems you are aswell, so going by your own evaluation, why should anyone listen to you guys when you have a vested interest in tarnishing what i am doing, are you scared im right, are you scared of the truth, if you really feel and BELIEVE that your assessment of the fight was true and correct then the figures from the rounds should show that, if they dont and you cant fault what i am doing then that just means you were wrong in the first place

[Ricky_]

Good lord fergusg has absolutely destroyed pureist. What was that you said about him not being the sharpest tool in the shed pureist?

I think the give away that your 'fergus' 2nd account is that nobody actually reads Fergus' spam

[man]

There is not a human being alive that would be considered as possessing mental capacity that would willingly endure the tedious task of watching the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight multiple times in quarter-speed slow motion!

Pureist’s punch stats are irrelevant, because he himself previously claimed that this sort of information cannot be used to review the judges’ scoring. He also claimed that he gathered the stats in an objective manner, but he has been a long-time member of the anti-Mayweather brigade, coupled with his own hypocrisy in regards to his “flip-flopping” standpoint on punch stats.

sorry. your way of making an argument is not
compatible with mine. have a nice weekend ...

[Emil]

sorry. your way of making an argument is not
compatible with mine. have a nice weekend ...

I can see why my debating style frustrates you, because it must be frustrating arguing with someone, like myself, holding an educated opinion.

I tend to perform research to gather the facts of the situation before formulating an opinion, whereas you have openly admitted to engage in discussions armed with nothing other than your "gut instinct".

So you're right... the way that I argue is wholly incompatible with your debating style.

DD

[Pureist]

sorry. your way of making an argument is not
compatible with mine. have a nice weekend ...

I can see why my debating style frustrates you, because it must be frustrating arguing with someone, like myself, holding an educated opinion.

I tend to perform research to gather the facts of the situation before formulating an opinion, whereas you have openly admitted to engage in discussions armed with nothing other than your "gut instinct".

So you're right... the way that I argue is wholly incompatible with your debating style.

Share the facts ferg, where are the FACTS that I'm a long time floyd hater, where are the FACTS that my punch count is wrong, you just full of fiction from where I'm sitting, you put your words together exceptionally well but when it comes to presenting a compelling case you fail dismally

[Badhusker]

Get a life. The fight is over. The win is not debatable. Move on or get the fornicate off this forum.

[DA GOOSE]

Get a life. The fight is over. The win is not debatable. Move on or get the eff off this forum.

The win is debatable if you watch it at 1/4 speed in slow mo. I originally laughed at pureist but I watched it in slow mo and still had Floyd winning. BUT I then rewatched it in slow mo in a dark room with no sound Pink Floyd playing in the background after smoking 10 joints and had Manny winning. I propose that all judges be hidden from the ring in all fights and watch all fights in slow mo after 10 blunts and all decisions be read out at a press conference the following day.

[Pureist]

Share the facts ferg, where are the FACTS that I'm a long time floyd hater, where are the FACTS that my punch count is wrong, you just full of fiction from where I'm sitting, you put your words together exceptionally well but when it comes to presenting a compelling case you fail dismally

My only ambition was to prove that you were dishonest, hypocritical, deluded and a mentally deficient individual that has become extremely bitter and twisted about the fact that Floyd Mayweather Jr. defeated Manny Pacquiao in a very comfortable manner, which I achieved by quoting your own words and supplying links to your posts that contained your absurdly ridiculous comments.

My stance can be considered factually-correct, because I used your very own words to prove your bias and ludicrously hypocritical nature of your posts!

everything I stated in those posts were truth, my punch count hasn't relied solely on punches landed to decide the winner of each round, still you just post your biased opinion with not a shred of proof to back it up, good try loser, as for you da moron, I see you haven't answered the questions I posed to you, not willing to be honest I see, I will do the next round tonite

[Pureist]

all punches not scored on punchcount, round 8, 2.47 f lands jab, 2.39 f lands jab, 2.21f lands jab, 2.20 p scored shot that missed, 2.03 f lands jab, 1.59 p lands jab, 1.49 f lands jab, 1.47 f lands jab, 1.32 f lands left bodyshot, 1.31 f lands left bodyshot, 1.26 p lands jab, 1.16 p lands right bodyshot, .54 f lands jab, .42 f lands jab, .38 p lands jab, .30 p lands jab, .30 f lands left hook back of head NC, .25 p lands jab, .20 f lands jab, .12 f lands left hook back of head NC, .01 p lands left bodyshot -------- f=17 p=13, very close round, pacquaio landed better quality and made the round, pacquaio round

[Pureist]

You say I've devoted my life to this ( about 1/2 hour per round ) and then complain I've only done 8 rounds, told you I was going to finish it and I will, have you tallied the scores so far, have you smashed my punch count to bits showing holes in it, no

[jamesmcdonnell]

I honestly think I've devoted as much energy and attention to this as I can spare from my life - it doesn't seem like it's going anywhere. I think I'll be ignoring this from here on in.

[handsofstone]

Funny, funny thread to all involved,keep up the good work fellas,just make sure it stays on this one thread

[MidniteProwler]

Good lord fergusg has absolutely destroyed pureist. What was that you said about him not being the sharpest tool in the shed pureist?

I don't bother to read fergusg lengthy posts anymore since it is filled with nonsense and arguments that has nothing to do with the topic on hand and yes he is not the sharpest tool in the shed. He is like toned down, trying to be intellectual version of brut. And no need to post 5 pages in reply to this filled with selected quotes and links to random web pages.

I don't post here much as you can see by my post count and length of time I've been here. So I don't know who brut is but he(pureist) started 4 threads on another website and one was ''Lara runs but Mayweather evades''. Claiming posters were picking on Lara after he fought Canelo because he wasn't American. He didn't even watch the fight!!!!!! why start a thread mentioning Mayweather on a fight he didn't compete in that you didn't watch. I can understand people not liking him because he's a woman beater amongst many other of his other undesirable personality traits but h is a very good(if not a little boring at times) boxer who clearly beat the fighter of the decade.
He is incapable of being objective about boxers he doesn't like.

I remember that Pureist is a Floyd Hater, this Ferg kid is owning Pureist Anybody who thought Pac won is a complete moron, Mayweather won 116-112 on my card.

[Pureist]

Prowler, you can't call anyone a moron, you posted a picture of your member, old fella, snag, whatever you want to call it on a boxing forum, full of men, your not well, apart from that where have I said I hate floyd

[MidniteProwler]

Prowler, you can't call anyone a moron, you posted a picture of your member, old fella, snag, whatever you want to call it on a boxing forum, full of men, your not well, apart from that where have I said I hate floyd

How many times did you watch Mundine v Rabchenko in slow motion only to score it for Rabchenko?

[Pureist]

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