King Khan

[Tarkus]

in addition to floyd and pac both murdering khan, bradley, marquez, and thurman
also murder khan. i'm pretty sure at least 5 more in the division murder khan

Porter and most importantly Brook.

[Permante]

We are scoring with 5 peoples on a forum, 116-112 and 115-113.. UD for Algieri. Skills are not all.... :(

[Tanzio]

To those poor souls that need some help about the sport of boxing:

the connected guy huh, never in doubt. Those cards were a joke, Algieri dominated Khan.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... d#p4064457

I’m led to believe that judges use a very specific set of criteria that us fight fans may not consider.

They usually look for three things to ascertain the winner of a round… and a fighter that successfully executes all of those things will win that round:
1. Who presses the action, which some regard as ring generalship
2. Who controls the tempo
3. Who lands the cleaner more effective shots

We know that defence can make or break a fighter on the scorecards. The average fan only considers landed punches as a way to win a round, but what they don’t know is that effective defence is the quicker way to win a round, because it’s rated higher than effective offense.

To explain this concept better, a boxer that makes a guy miss… and they land frequently when their opponent does miss, they get credit from the judges for using defence that implements offence.

However, a fighter that is on the move and is not letting their hands go, then it’ll actually work against them, as they’re simply wasting time.

Let’s not forget that judges are there to judge a “fight”, so even when using defence, a boxer has to fight.

So when a boxer chooses not to "fight", this results in him basically forfeiting too many rounds to the man that is trying to fight in the mind of those judges, whether they’re connecting more or not.

In case you failed to notice, nobody gives a flying fvck what you have to say or how you score a fight.

Khan won, deservedly, anything but impressively.
The difference was Algieri's lack of even nominal pop.

[victor-romeo]

That was a boring fight, guy with 7 or 8 ko's at 140 moves up to 147 fights, khan who chin is so bad you think light hitting guy might get lucky and just terrible boring fight. I think Khan has been studying Wlad Klitschko with all the holding he does.

[Tanzio]

Replayed it with no commentary (not that it makes a significant difference).

Khan 115-113 (1, 4, 5, 6, 9, 10, 12)

There were many close rounds, especially 6, 9, 11, and 12. I could see how people could rationalize scores from 116-112 Algieri to 117-111 Khan but both of those extremes are stretching it.

It was a very entertaining fight. I like both of these boxers. Khan will get clocked again before too long but he always puts on a good show and he has tons of heart.

Algieri had a great plan that he nearly pulled off. He really fought well. He has no quit switch.

(yes I understand that nobody cares what I say either)

It was a long day. I had the need to tell someone to stfu, repeatedly.

That and the fight turned my night around.

[Tanzio]

That was a boring fight, guy with 7 or 8 ko's at 140 moves up to 147 fights, khan who chin is so bad you think light hitting guy might get lucky and just terrible boring fight. I think Khan has been studying Wlad Klitschko with all the holding he does.

Opinions are cheap. In my view it was an excellent, entertaining night of boxing. But, my opinion is as worthless as yours.

[handsofstone]

I had it 114-114,a lot of close rounds where Algieri's single overhand rights were enough to shade them on my card,can't really remember Khan landing much apart from a counter left hook in about the 8th or 9th,he was maybe busier though a lot of his flurries were all easily blocked by Chris,cards were too wide IMO,I tipped a Khan KO win and laughed at the people who said if anyone was scoring a KO then it would be Algieri, but watching the fight it looked as if they were right

Its the first time i can remember seeing Amir struggle technically, most of the rounds he losses are when he's down or wobbled but I thought Khan struggled with Algieri's speed as opposed to vice versa which is what I predicted

[Tarkus]

Its the first time i can remember seeing Amir struggle technically, most of the rounds he losses are when he's down or wobbled but I thought Khan struggled with Algieri's speed as opposed to vice versa which is what I predicted

Good point, but I think it was timing rather then speed that gave Khan problems. Thats why I tell people if Khan gets there with Mayweather he gets knocked out.

[kidbazooka1]

Khan looked like shiit he just went life and death with Algieri.

I had Algieri winning a close decision.

Mayweather vs khan is a joke floyd scores his first legitimate ko in years.

[Ian1973]

Khan won by by four or five rounds.

I don't know what some of you lot were watching.

Cracking fight and Algieri gave it a right go and made the fight but he clearly didn't win it.

[handsofstone]

Khan won by by four or five rounds.

I don't know what some of you lot were watching.

Cracking fight and Algieri gave it a right go and made the fight but he clearly didn't win it.

I wouldn't say it was a cracking fight,not a lot of punches landed by either guy and it was pretty hard to score,Khan used a lot of good foot movement but his punches were hitting arms and gloves more often than not,the few clear punches that did land we're from Algieri, i had it a draw but won't argue with Amir getting the nod,he probably looked the boss in regards to ring generalship but the % of punches landed from Khan is pretty low I'd imagine and even punches thrown is surely less than usual

It was a close fight which was scored how you like but to claim anyone was a clear winner is plain wrong IMO,too few punches landed

[flob]

116-112 Khan for me.

Wasn't his best night by any stretch of the imagination, but did well to change up the gameplan.

One of the few people that would like to see Floyd vs. Khan it seems.

[Badhusker]

The fight was a lot closer than I expected. I won't complain about Khan getting the decision, but was not the showcase dominant performance he needed to get a fight with Floyd, and I'm sure he knows it. I think in the end its who you like better, and who you gave the close rounds to that validates the argument of who won. Algieri had no amateur experience, and may be a guy that will get better and better. Some changes his new trainer made seemed to help. Its hard not to like the guy, as he came to fight and showed good skills.

I said before this fight is a no-win situation for Khan. Even if he had totally dominated CA, we are still talking about a guy coming off a one-sided beating by a guy that just lost to Floyd....and is a career 140lber. Having said that, he must drain to get there because he looked about 160.

The people that have said Floyd is ducking Khan, will be the same ones that accuse him of cherry picking Khan if they fight now. I hope Floyd picks someone like Thurman, Brook, or Garcia. All are better than Khan.

[Ricky_]

The fight was a lot closer than I expected. I won't complain about Khan getting the decision, but was not the showcase dominant performance he needed to get a fight with Floyd, and I'm sure he knows it. I think in the end its who you like better, and who you gave the close rounds to that validates the argument of who won. Algieri had no amateur experience, and may be a guy that will get better and better. Some changes his new trainer made seemed to help. Its hard not to like the guy, as he came to fight and showed good skills.

I said before this fight is a no-win situation for Khan. Even if he had totally dominated CA, we are still talking about a guy coming off a one-sided beating by a guy that just lost to Floyd....and is a career 140lber. Having said that, he must drain to get there because he looked about 160.

The people that have said Floyd is ducking Khan, will be the same ones that accuse him of cherry picking Khan if they fight now. I hope Floyd picks someone like Thurman, Brook, or Garcia. All are better than Khan.

Garcia is less deserving than Khan. I think the difference in performance between how Khan dealt with Algieri vs Pacquiao just shows the levels in boxing. Khan is absolutely nowhere near Floyd & Pac. Kell Brook is the only fighter with potential to reach the kind of level to compete with them but he's wasting his time with the likes of Frankie Gavin which won't offer him the progression he needs in time to catch either before they retire.

[tiny_acres]

The fight was a lot closer than I expected. I won't complain about Khan getting the decision, but was not the showcase dominant performance he needed to get a fight with Floyd, and I'm sure he knows it. I think in the end its who you like better, and who you gave the close rounds to that validates the argument of who won. Algieri had no amateur experience, and may be a guy that will get better and better. Some changes his new trainer made seemed to help. Its hard not to like the guy, as he came to fight and showed good skills.

I said before this fight is a no-win situation for Khan. Even if he had totally dominated CA, we are still talking about a guy coming off a one-sided beating by a guy that just lost to Floyd....and is a career 140lber. Having said that, he must drain to get there because he looked about 160.

The people that have said Floyd is ducking Khan, will be the same ones that accuse him of cherry picking Khan if they fight now. I hope Floyd picks someone like Thurman, Brook, or Garcia. All are better than Khan.

Garcia is less deserving than Khan. I think the difference in performance between how Khan dealt with Algieri vs Pacquiao just shows the levels in boxing. Khan is absolutely nowhere near Floyd & Pac. Kell Brook is the only fighter with potential to reach the kind of level to compete with them but he's wasting his time with the likes of Frankie Gavin which won't offer him the progression he needs in time to catch either before they retire.

This is what I keep reading on every forum. But I don't understand since
Garcia knocked out Khan and is undefeated.

[Badhusker]

The fight was a lot closer than I expected. I won't complain about Khan getting the decision, but was not the showcase dominant performance he needed to get a fight with Floyd, and I'm sure he knows it. I think in the end its who you like better, and who you gave the close rounds to that validates the argument of who won. Algieri had no amateur experience, and may be a guy that will get better and better. Some changes his new trainer made seemed to help. Its hard not to like the guy, as he came to fight and showed good skills.

I said before this fight is a no-win situation for Khan. Even if he had totally dominated CA, we are still talking about a guy coming off a one-sided beating by a guy that just lost to Floyd....and is a career 140lber. Having said that, he must drain to get there because he looked about 160.

The people that have said Floyd is ducking Khan, will be the same ones that accuse him of cherry picking Khan if they fight now. I hope Floyd picks someone like Thurman, Brook, or Garcia. All are better than Khan.

Garcia is less deserving than Khan. I think the difference in performance between how Khan dealt with Algieri vs Pacquiao just shows the levels in boxing. Khan is absolutely nowhere near Floyd & Pac. Kell Brook is the only fighter with potential to reach the kind of level to compete with them but he's wasting his time with the likes of Frankie Gavin which won't offer him the progression he needs in time to catch either before they retire.

This is what I keep reading on every forum. But I don't understand since
Garcia knocked out Khan and is undefeated.

Garcia deserves it much, much more than Khan does. Does anyone think Khan would beat Or even go 12 with Matthysse? Garcia proved he is better than Khan, plain and simple. Even the styles make fights argument is weak after what we seen last night.

[Ricky_]

The fight was a lot closer than I expected. I won't complain about Khan getting the decision, but was not the showcase dominant performance he needed to get a fight with Floyd, and I'm sure he knows it. I think in the end its who you like better, and who you gave the close rounds to that validates the argument of who won. Algieri had no amateur experience, and may be a guy that will get better and better. Some changes his new trainer made seemed to help. Its hard not to like the guy, as he came to fight and showed good skills.

I said before this fight is a no-win situation for Khan. Even if he had totally dominated CA, we are still talking about a guy coming off a one-sided beating by a guy that just lost to Floyd....and is a career 140lber. Having said that, he must drain to get there because he looked about 160.

The people that have said Floyd is ducking Khan, will be the same ones that accuse him of cherry picking Khan if they fight now. I hope Floyd picks someone like Thurman, Brook, or Garcia. All are better than Khan.

Garcia is less deserving than Khan. I think the difference in performance between how Khan dealt with Algieri vs Pacquiao just shows the levels in boxing. Khan is absolutely nowhere near Floyd & Pac. Kell Brook is the only fighter with potential to reach the kind of level to compete with them but he's wasting his time with the likes of Frankie Gavin which won't offer him the progression he needs in time to catch either before they retire.

This is what I keep reading on every forum. But I don't understand since
Garcia knocked out Khan and is undefeated.

Because 1. He's either performed poorly or faced poor opposition (or both) since the Matthysse fight which was summer 2013 & 2. He's not moved into the Welterweight division yet.

[Badhusker]

Garcia is less deserving than Khan. I think the difference in performance between how Khan dealt with Algieri vs Pacquiao just shows the levels in boxing. Khan is absolutely nowhere near Floyd & Pac. Kell Brook is the only fighter with potential to reach the kind of level to compete with them but he's wasting his time with the likes of Frankie Gavin which won't offer him the progression he needs in time to catch either before they retire.[/quote]

This is what I keep reading on every forum. But I don't understand since
Garcia knocked out Khan and is undefeated.[/quote]

Because 1. He's either performed poorly or faced poor opposition (or both) since the Matthysse fight which was summer 2013 & 2. He's not moved into the Welterweight division yet.[/quote]



Let me try to understand your thinking here.....You thought Algieri dominated Khan. (btw ) Garcia knocked out Khan. But you still think Khan is the guy that deserves Floyd? I get the part that Garcia has not fought at the full welter limit yet, but is unbeaten, and has a good resume. Khan has only fought one true welter, imo, and that guy was shot. All were handpicked but this one backfired because he didn't dominate.

Maybe you think Algieri deserves it more than either guy then? Who would have thunk it.....CA fighting Manny, Khan, then Floyd....he only has about 22 fights total in his career, with no amateur experience. Amazing. Why not. Line them up Mayweather vs Algieri!

[tiny_acres]

Ricky

That is the weakest argument you have ever posted.

[Ricky_]

Ricky

That is the weakest argument you have ever posted.

That Garcia doesn't deserve the Floyd fight?

He doesn't, he's not in his division and he's crap.

[man]

Danny Garcia is not a “big name” fighter capable of attracting high viewing figures.

By the time that Floyd Mayweather Jr. enters the ring again on his customary Mexican Independence Day weekend fight-date, it would have been two years since Danny Garcia deservedly defeated a marquee name fighter (Lucas Matthysse), because his so-called victories over Mauricio Herrera & Lamont Peterson were tainted in controversy.

It seems that Team Garcia have been reluctant to allow their charge to make a fully-fledged move to the 147lb weight division, which seems mostly due to the huge difficulties he has faced in order to overcome the challenges posed by smaller 140lb men.

Danny Garcia has never competed as a fully-fledged welterweight, nor has be defeated a 147lb fighter that was legitimately ranked within the top ten of that division at the time of their contest.

In stark contrast, it’s been almost three years since Amir Khan was shocked by Danny Garcia. He has subsequently defeated four world champions (Julio Diaz, Luis Collazo, Devon Alexander & Chris Algieri) and is irrefutably ranked amongst the top ten welterweights on the planet.

Amir Khan is a former Olympic silver medallist, competed in eight world title fights, and defeated several former world champions, such as: Marco Antonio Barrera; Andriy Kotelnik; Paul Malignaggi; Marcos Maidana; Zab Judah; Julio Diaz; Luis Collazo; Devon Alexander; and Chris Algieri.

In my mind, Khan was unfortunate to:
• Suffer a one-punch KO defeat to Breidis Prescott
• Lose the Lamont Peterson fight due to points deductions
• Have Danny Garcia’s left check-hook counter land bang on the button, when he was seemingly on the verge of gaining a stoppage victory over the American (due to a bad cut), after boxing beautifully during the early stages of that fight

Amir Khan appears to have learned from the defeat he suffered three years ago, since he joined forces with Virgil Hunter, but it appears that Danny Garcia has actually regressed since that date.

In my mind, Amir Khan attracts a global audience, because: he became a high-profile world renowned fighter when he won the Olympic silver medal when he was a mere 17 years old; his southern Asian heritage; the fact that he’s a Muslim; and also because he is a British national, which also makes him a much more lucrative opponent for Mayweather in comparison to Danny Garcia.

Therefore, I sincerely believe that Amir Khan has earned his shot against Mayweather, because the resumes of Danny Garcia, Kell Brook and Keith Thurman simply don’t stack up against his own accomplishments, coupled with the fact that he's also the biggest money fight available for Floyd.

good post.

[palooka]

Danny Garcia is not a “big name” fighter capable of attracting high viewing figures.

By the time that Floyd Mayweather Jr. enters the ring again on his customary Mexican Independence Day weekend fight-date, it would have been two years since Danny Garcia deservedly defeated a marquee name fighter (Lucas Matthysse), because his so-called victories over Mauricio Herrera & Lamont Peterson were tainted in controversy.

It seems that Team Garcia have been reluctant to allow their charge to make a fully-fledged move to the 147lb weight division, which seems mostly due to the huge difficulties he has faced in order to overcome the challenges posed by smaller 140lb men.

Danny Garcia has never competed as a fully-fledged welterweight, nor has be defeated a 147lb fighter that was legitimately ranked within the top ten of that division at the time of their contest.

In stark contrast, it’s been almost three years since Amir Khan was shocked by Danny Garcia. He has subsequently defeated four world champions (Julio Diaz, Luis Collazo, Devon Alexander & Chris Algieri) and is irrefutably ranked amongst the top ten welterweights on the planet.

Amir Khan is a former Olympic silver medallist, competed in eight world title fights, and defeated several former world champions, such as: Marco Antonio Barrera; Andriy Kotelnik; Paul Malignaggi; Marcos Maidana; Zab Judah; Julio Diaz; Luis Collazo; Devon Alexander; and Chris Algieri.

In my mind, Khan was unfortunate to:
• Suffer a one-punch KO defeat to Breidis Prescott
• Lose the Lamont Peterson fight due to points deductions
• Have Danny Garcia’s left check-hook counter land bang on the button, when he was seemingly on the verge of gaining a stoppage victory over the American (due to a bad cut), after boxing beautifully during the early stages of that fight

Amir Khan appears to have learned from the defeat he suffered three years ago, since he joined forces with Virgil Hunter, but it appears that Danny Garcia has actually regressed since that date.

In my mind, Amir Khan attracts a global audience, because: he became a high-profile world renowned fighter when he won the Olympic silver medal when he was a mere 17 years old; his southern Asian heritage; the fact that he’s a Muslim; and also because he is a British national, which also makes him a much more lucrative opponent for Mayweather in comparison to Danny Garcia.

Therefore, I sincerely believe that Amir Khan has earned his shot against Mayweather, because the resumes of Danny Garcia, Kell Brook and Keith Thurman simply don’t stack up against his own accomplishments, coupled with the fact that he's also the biggest money fight available for Floyd.

good post.

X2

[diddy]

Khan won for sure. But still looked poor.

Mayweather beats him by an easy decision.

Canelo couldn't do a thing with Floyd. What's Khan gonna do?

Canelo would kill Khan.

[palooka]

Khan won for sure. But still looked poor.

Mayweather beats him by an easy decision.

Canelo couldn't do a thing with Floyd. What's Khan gonna do?

Canelo would kill Khan.

Floyd brats everyone at welter or light middle by easy decision.

Canelo would destroy every welter other than Floyd.

[ikorolev]

In my mind, Khan was unfortunate to:
• Suffer a one-punch KO defeat to Breidis Prescott
• Lose the Lamont Peterson fight due to points deductions
• Have Danny Garcia’s left check-hook counter land bang on the button, when he was seemingly on the verge of gaining a stoppage victory over the American (due to a bad cut), after boxing beautifully during the early stages of that fight

When a boxer is so "unlucky", it means that he just lacks something. In Khan's case, it is a chin.