Cotto vs Geale

[Ricky_]

Gaele is a quitter.

Cotto needs to move to 154. I don't understand why hes fighting at mw with all this cw garbage. Just go 154 and fight canelo then call out floyd.

[Badhusker]

I'm sorry, but not giving any credit to Cotto. They hand picked Geale because they knew he wasn't at his best anymore, then made him suck down to 157 besides. It doesn't really matter what you re-hydrate to when you struggle to make a weight you haven't been to in eight years. Didn't we learn that when Pac fought DLH? Some of you guys think Cotto is some kind of unbeatable monster now?

Cotto could have had a decent win without the handicap. Maybe in the future he will find some balls to match his ego. Might sound like sour grapes, but the fact is I had no horse in the race, and just telling it like it is.

[Tanzio]

Gaele is a quitter.

Cotto needs to move to 154. I don't understand why hes fighting at mw with all this cw garbage. Just go 154 and fight canelo then call out floyd.

I can understand why Geale quit in both fights, if he is done boxing professionally. I certainly would not bother to waste my time watching him fight again.

This incarnation of Cotto is looking like a bigger, sharper version of pre-Cheato I. He reminds me of how Pac was on a roll through Cotto. I was very disappointed at the timing of that fight. Cotto was not recovered from being plastered.

There was no catch weight necessary for this fight or Cotto v SMartinex, or Cotto v Pac or FMJ v GingerHead. It seems to be spawned in the pissing matches over contracts.

The fact Cotto weighed in under the 154 limit suggests that Cotto is positioning himself for exactly what you describe.

If Cotto says so, Roach deserves a ton of credit. Miguel boxed beautifully, defending well and attacking with vicious precision.

Cotto v Canelo at 154 and FMJ v Khan in September would not hurt my feelings, though I would prefer FMJ v Thurman.

[Tanzio]

I'm sorry, but not giving any credit to Cotto. They hand picked Geale because they knew he wasn't at his best anymore, then made him suck down to 157 besides. It doesn't really matter what you re-hydrate to when you struggle to make a weight you haven't been to in eight years. Didn't we learn that when Pac fought DLH? Some of you guys think Cotto is some kind of unbeatable monster now?

Cotto could have had a decent win without the handicap. Maybe in the future he will find some balls to match his ego. Might sound like sour grapes, but the fact is I had no horse in the race, and just telling it like it is.

What? You were backing the broken down and starved Tasmanian underdog prior to the fight, as I was.

[palooka]

Cotto looked very good, the catch weight is dodgy, Cotto admitted after the belt he is not a middleweight, Cotto v Canelo is a great match up, Cotto v Golovkin may be a blowout but will Team Cotto push for a catch weight and would Golovkin go for that?

[Badhusker]

I'm sorry, but not giving any credit to Cotto. They hand picked Geale because they knew he wasn't at his best anymore, then made him suck down to 157 besides. It doesn't really matter what you re-hydrate to when you struggle to make a weight you haven't been to in eight years. Didn't we learn that when Pac fought DLH? Some of you guys think Cotto is some kind of unbeatable monster now?

Cotto could have had a decent win without the handicap. Maybe in the future he will find some balls to match his ego. Might sound like sour grapes, but the fact is I had no horse in the race, and just telling it like it is.

What? You were backing the broken down and starved Tasmanian underdog prior to the fight, as I was.

I did pick him in ptbf, and was hoping he would win. I also said in another thread it was a foolish pick but was not going to change it. My hatred of Cotto and the BS catch (handicap) weights over-shadowed good sense.

Cotto looked good, but he was supposed to. Roach hand picked Geale, and made him suck down to assure it happened the way it was supposed to.

Lets see Cotto destroy Trout in a rematch. Then people can get excited about Canelo and GGG. If he ever has the guts to fight GGG, they will demand it at 154.1. No way in hell does Cotto have the courage to fight GGG at 160.

[KBB]

Gaele is a quitter.

Cotto needs to move to 154. I don't understand why hes fighting at mw with all this cw garbage. Just go 154 and fight canelo then call out floyd.

Why complain about this CW but not about the one when MP drained Cotto? (you're being an unfair hypocrite) I thought this was as fair as Cotto could make this fight given the fact that Geale was 180lbs plus last night, there are absolutely no excuses whatsoever.

Geale didn't complain and make weight as an excuse so neither should we, total dominance was what we saw and if this fight had really been at 154 then it would've been far worse for Geale.

He's not going to call out Floyd, he could've mentioned him in the interview with Max but chose to call out the bigger, supposedly stronger and the younger man, he even said he'd fight GGG after that bout.

Why isn't that good enough for you??

[Perseus]

So when when Bernard Hopkins who was a few months shy of 40 at the time had to agree to a catchweight so he could cash a De La Hoya lottery ticket, he came in at a weight he had NEVER previously scaled................156..............never once whined the catchweight, showed up, handled his business and moved on.
As always catchweights are a convenient excuse when they lose but everybody clams up about it when they win.

Now the stupid talk about a Geale/Golovkin rematch can be put to rest.

Piss on Golovkin let's see Cotto/Canelo in the fall and I don't give a fvck if they're fighting for a WBC belt, lineal title or a shiny coffee-cup I'm just looking forward to what should be an action packed fight.

[Emmseegee]

I understand why a lot of people don't agree with catchweights but if they allow fights to happen that otherwise wouldn't then I'm all for it. I am however not in agreement that catchweights should be allowed in a case like this when there is a world title on the line.

Was Geale a mandatory challenger or a voluntary defence? Surely catchweights wouldn't be allowed in the case of a mandatory challenger? If they are then the governing bodies are to blame and not the fighters who are going to capitalise on every opportunity to gain an advantage.

There are weight divisions for a reason, if Geale weighed in at 182 like people are suggesting then it shows that Cotto done the right thing by draining a few extra pounds off him. Cotto himself knows how much it can effect a fighters performance to be drained on the scales and if he can negotiate that to happen to gain himself an advantage or level the playing field then of course he is going to do it.

In cases like this I would have more respect for fighters who negotiated a re-hydration weight limit opposed to a catchweight on the scales. In some ways it is similar but I still cant accept how much weight some fighters put on between the scales and entering the ring, it makes some contests completely unfair and dangerous.

The 24 hour weigh in weigh in was introduced as a safety measure to prevent fighters being dehydrated on fight night and now the abuse of the current system may be just as dangerous if not more dangerous than the system it replaced! Its a subject that is overlooked too often and needs modified again to bring the sport back to a level playing field. Catchweight limits are the least of the problem.

[palooka]

If someone can put 20lbs of food and water on in 24 hours they ought to pack boxing in and get into eating contests.

[Tanzio]

If someone can put 20lbs of food and water on in 24 hours they ought to pack boxing in and get into eating contests.

My BS detector went up immediately when they started talking about what Geale weighed in at on fight day in street clothes and Cotto's street clothes weight was unavailable. What does that even mean? What was Geale wearing? Were his shoes on? Were his keys and billfold in his pockets, ffs?

It was an obvious effort to rationalize the catch weight. Cotto coming in at under the 154 limit was also strategic.

Nice win for Cotto but he can't escape the * on this any more than FMJ can at the end of his GingerHead win or Pac can escape it v Odlh and Cotto.

Last night does not convince me that Cotto can beat the world.

On another note, wasn't it about the time that Pac started starching welters (catch weights or not) that the peds rumors started flying? Didn't it have to do with new found power at a much higher weight?

Just throwing it out there.

[dempseyfire]

Geale has been shot since the loss to Darren Barker. That fight was brutal. Geale already had a lot of tread on the tires going into that fight and that skinned the rest off.

[ikorolev]

If someone can put 20lbs of food and water on in 24 hours they ought to pack boxing in and get into eating contests.

Ten of those pounds were likely belonging to his shoes, clothes, phone, wallet, etc.

[jezzamundo]

A lot of people argued with me when I claimed that Daniel Geale was a shot fighter BEFORE Golovkin dominated him en route to making him quit inside three rounds.

People argued with me again, when I claimed (once again) that Geale was a shot fighter that Cotto would easily handle, which is precisely what we witnessed when the Aussie quit for a second time in recent memory, when he shook his head to the ref in the fourth round.

I think it's safe to say that I was right all along and Daniel Geale should no longer be competing against world-rated fighters, because his lack of durability and seemingly fragile mindset now renders him as a journeyman type opponent.

I was one of the people and I would still argue that Geale was not shot pre Golovkin. I was actually quite impressed with how Geale boxed against GGG up until the stoppage - admittedly GGG wasn't the hardest target as he realised Geale couldn't hurt him and was willing take his punches in order to land his own. Geale looked like he had lost a step against Barker, but that could just as easily have been an off night as a permanent slip in his abilities.

Well done for correctly picking this fight - I was hopeful that Geale would make it a competitive fight, but he was very poor while Cotto was very, very impressive. I agree that Geale is finished at the highest level and is most certainly past his best, although I wouldn't use the word shot at this stage, I think that diminishes Cotto's win. To me, a shot fighter is one who, through prolonged beatings and/or inactivity, no longer resembles the fighter they once were through a degradation in their skills and physical abilities. Perhaps that describes Geale now, or perhaps Miguel was simply too good and would always have beaten Geale comfortably?

[Bobbyptsd]

Geale wasn't shot before, during or after Golovkin, he wasn't shot last night, and he isn't shot now.

Miguel Cotto is just a hell of a fighter, for those who just tuned in.

[Marky_Marc]

European posters sticking with the European what a shocker.

You guys keep on hoping.

Cotto is gonna fuuck that boy up.

Can't wait.

....wait...which one is European? The Puerto Rican or the Australian aborigine?

Cmon now most Aussies are of European decent now if that wasnt the case i gaurantee most ppl here wouldnt be rooting for Geale as hard.

How f*cking dumb is this kid? Sit the next few conversations out mate...

[Bobbyptsd]

Well, as much as I hate to agree with him, he isn't wrong that most Australians are of European descent. And Geale does have some British ancestry along with Aboriginal unless I'm mistaken.

Don't get me wrong, I don't know what he's on about with his vociferous "take that you stupid euro boxing site!!!!!" trip, but just figured it was worth pointing out.

[ikorolev]

Well, as much as I hate to agree with him, he isn't wrong that most Australians are of European descent. And Geale does have some British ancestry along with Aboriginal unless I'm mistaken.

Don't get me wrong, I don't know what he's on about with his vociferous "take that you stupid euro boxing site!!!!!" trip, but just figured it was worth pointing out.

What about Puerto Rico ? From wikipedia:

Continuous European immigration helped the population of Puerto Rico grow from 155,426 in 1800, to almost a million by the close of the 19th century.
...
But one genetic study on the racial makeup of Puerto Ricans found them to be roughly around 61% West Eurasian (overwhelmingly of Spanish provenance), 27% Sub-Saharan African and 11% Native American

[world ranked]

Geale wasn't shot before, during or after Golovkin, he wasn't shot last night, and he isn't shot now.

Miguel Cotto is just a hell of a fighter, for those who just tuned in.

I wonder if he so great at middleweight why bring Geale down to 157

[scottearley123456]

A lot of people argued with me when I claimed that Daniel Geale was a shot fighter BEFORE Golovkin dominated him en route to making him quit inside three rounds.

People argued with me again, when I claimed (once again) that Geale was a shot fighter that Cotto would easily handle, which is precisely what we witnessed when the Aussie quit for a second time in recent memory, when he shook his head to the ref in the fourth round.

I think it's safe to say that I was right all along and Daniel Geale should no longer be competing against world-rated fighters, because his lack of durability and seemingly fragile mindset now renders him as a journeyman type opponent.

I was one of the people and I would still argue that Geale was not shot pre Golovkin. I was actually quite impressed with how Geale boxed against GGG up until the stoppage - admittedly GGG wasn't the hardest target as he realised Geale couldn't hurt him and was willing take his punches in order to land his own. Geale looked like he had lost a step against Barker, but that could just as easily have been an off night as a permanent slip in his abilities.

Well done for correctly picking this fight - I was hopeful that Geale would make it a competitive fight, but he was very poor while Cotto was very, very impressive. I agree that Geale is finished at the highest level and is most certainly past his best, although I wouldn't use the word shot at this stage, I think that diminishes Cotto's win. To me, a shot fighter is one who, through prolonged beatings and/or inactivity, no longer resembles the fighter they once were through a degradation in their skills and physical abilities. Perhaps that describes Geale now, or perhaps Miguel was simply too good and would always have beaten Geale comfortably?

I dont think that he is completely finished at top level. But position 1 and 2 seem to be taken by ggg and cotto for the time being. And he aint getting past either of those GUYS EVER . Does he still have it in him to compete with the likes of quinlin and co? I would think so. Or hope so rather

[Bobbyptsd]

Well, as much as I hate to agree with him, he isn't wrong that most Australians are of European descent. And Geale does have some British ancestry along with Aboriginal unless I'm mistaken.

Don't get me wrong, I don't know what he's on about with his vociferous "take that you stupid euro boxing site!!!!!" trip, but just figured it was worth pointing out.

What about Puerto Rico ? From wikipedia:

Continuous European immigration helped the population of Puerto Rico grow from 155,426 in 1800, to almost a million by the close of the 19th century.
...
But one genetic study on the racial makeup of Puerto Ricans found them to be roughly around 61% West Eurasian (overwhelmingly of Spanish provenance), 27% Sub-Saharan African and 11% Native American

Well yeah, many Europeans went to Central/South America and the Caribbean. Not sure what that has to do with my observations on Geale, but of course.

[Bobbyptsd]

Geale wasn't shot before, during or after Golovkin, he wasn't shot last night, and he isn't shot now.

Miguel Cotto is just a hell of a fighter, for those who just tuned in.

I wonder if he so great at middleweight why bring Geale down to 157

Strategic advantage. Being a great fighter and trying to line factors up to one's advantage aren't mutually exclusive. They often go together, in fact.

[ikorolev]

Well yeah, many Europeans went to Central/South America and the Caribbean. Not sure what that has to do with my observations on Geale, but of course.

The original claim was that majority of this forum is cheering for Geale due to his European origin. My point was that Geale is not more European than Cotto.

[ikorolev]

I wonder if he so great at middleweight why bring Geale down to 157

Strategic advantage. Being a great fighter and trying to line factors up to one's advantage aren't mutually exclusive. They often go together, in fact.

Some are buying judges, others drain their opponents. Any way they can get unfair advantage is good

[Bobbyptsd]

Well yeah, many Europeans went to Central/South America and the Caribbean. Not sure what that has to do with my observations on Geale, but of course.

The original claim was that majority of this forum is cheering for Geale due to his European origin. My point was that Geale is not more European than Cotto.

Yeah, but the original point was stupid anyway.