Wilder fails to impress

[world ranked]

You KNEW the Euros would run wild with this and draw conclusions from it. Thanks for not dissapointing me with your predictableness.

They using that A, B,C formula because this happen that this wouldn't happen with this guy.Blah, blah, blah,

[Tony1244]

You KNEW the Euros would run wild with this and draw conclusions from it. Thanks for not dissapointing me with your predictableness.

Just like you concluded that Wilder was going to be the future of the division based on his victory over Stiverne? You started a thread that time too

You know what else is predictable? You being hypocritical, miserable, and accusing others of Euro-based bias. At least you're not spouting nonsense about Wilder being black this time.

I'd say the schooling of Stiverne told us more about the guy than a dragged out beating up of a journeyman, no?

This fight tells us nothing about how he would fare against Povetkin or Fury. Literally nothing.

You're wrong. I'm an American and this fight tells us quite a bit about that. It tells us Wilder has a lot of trouble landing his vaunted right hand against even a decent opponent. It tells us Wilder may not take a great shot. I'm not one of thee posters that professes to know future outcomes, but the Molina fight tells me that Wilder should be an underdog against Povetkin, Fury, and certainly Wlad.

[tiny_acres]

Deontay looked average at best against Molina.Povetkin will ko Wilder in 3.

I was VERY disappointed in Wilder myself. Not sure if his Right hand is still injured or he was literally carrying him.

Until last night, I thought Wilder was very promising. Now I only have Joshua and J. Parker on my HW list under "very promising."

Wilder has been demoted to "entertaining."

I think his right hand may possibly not be 100%.He sure seemed hesitant to use it

[Lenny Cravats]

You KNEW the Euros would run wild with this and draw conclusions from it. Thanks for not dissapointing me with your predictableness.

Do you ever get bored of trying to troll Europeans? The only predictable thing I can see in this thread is you making some daft anti-Euro statement.

Of course people will draw conclusions from a fight they've just seen. I'm really struggling to understand why, after watching Deontay labour against probably his 3rd best opponent, watching his legs buckle and be inaccurate with his right hand, it wouldn't inform us more on what he's like.
It's not like his body of work can suggest that this was a bad day at the office, is it?

[Tony1244]

You KNEW the Euros would run wild with this and draw conclusions from it. Thanks for not dissapointing me with your predictableness.

Do you ever get bored of trying to troll Europeans? The only predictable thing I can see in this thread is you making some daft anti-Euro statement.

Of course people will draw conclusions from a fight they've just seen. I'm really struggling to understand why, after watching Deontay labour against probably his 3rd best opponent, watching his legs buckle and be inaccurate with his right hand, it wouldn't inform us more on what he's like.
It's not like his body of work can suggest that this was a bad day at the office, is it?

When someone can't draw conclusions from Wilder-Molina, they simply lack the ability to draw conclusions.

[sykessta]

I think the first few rounds wilder was just looking for a quick knockout in front of his home crowd like paulie stated and wasn't doing anything to set up the right hand. Once he stared incorporating the hook and mixing his punches up is when he had success. That being said he definetly needs to work on lateral movement and slipping punches instead of just pedaling backwards with his head leaned back. He's bound to get floored by an overhand right doing that. Some more body punches as paulie also stated would do good too.

[world ranked]

You KNEW the Euros would run wild with this and draw conclusions from it. Thanks for not dissapointing me with your predictableness.

Do you ever get bored of trying to troll Europeans? The only predictable thing I can see in this thread is you making some daft anti-Euro statement.

Of course people will draw conclusions from a fight they've just seen. I'm really struggling to understand why, after watching Deontay labour against probably his 3rd best opponent, watching his legs buckle and be inaccurate with his right hand, it wouldn't inform us more on what he's like.
It's not like his body of work can suggest that this was a bad day at the office, is it?

When someone can't draw conclusions from Wilder-Molina, they simply lack the ability to draw conclusions.

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Drawing conclusion off just one fight doesn't seem logical right?

[Datsue]

You KNEW the Euros would run wild with this and draw conclusions from it. Thanks for not dissapointing me with your predictableness.

They using that A, B,C formula because this happen that this wouldn't happen with this guy.Blah, blah, blah,

I assume you find diddy's "Europeans=shite" methodology provides a deeper & more meaningful analysis?

[Counter-puncher]

I think the first few rounds wilder was just looking for a quick knockout in front of his home crowd like paulie stated and wasn't doing anything to set up the right hand. Once he stared incorporating the hook and mixing his punches up is when he had success. That being said he definetly needs to work on lateral movement and slipping punches instead of just pedaling backwards with his head leaned back. He's bound to get floored by an overhand right doing that. Some more body punches as paulie also stated would do good too.

Wilder will be showcasing artful headslips and good bodypunching at about the same point Floyd becomes a take-one-to-land-one offensive buzzsaw.

[ikorolev]

Wilder could also be DQ'ed for hitting already going down Molina in his back. I know that judges never do that to a fighter who already won, but technically speaking, that was a hard illegal hit.

[diddy]

You KNEW the Euros would run wild with this and draw conclusions from it. Thanks for not dissapointing me with your predictableness.

Do you ever get bored of trying to troll Europeans? The only predictable thing I can see in this thread is you making some daft anti-Euro statement.

Of course people will draw conclusions from a fight they've just seen. I'm really struggling to understand why, after watching Deontay labour against probably his 3rd best opponent, watching his legs buckle and be inaccurate with his right hand, it wouldn't inform us more on what he's like.
It's not like his body of work can suggest that this was a bad day at the office, is it?

When someone can't draw conclusions from Wilder-Molina, they simply lack the ability to draw conclusions.

Right riiiight. Because you know boxing and I don't.

FOH.

[palooka]

Molina was picked for a reason and boxed better and showed more bravery than I imagined he would. Wilder is still very raw and though he is world champion he's not seasoned yet, with the power he has it must be difficult for him to drill and develop skills.

Who will he box next?

[Tony1244]

Do you ever get bored of trying to troll Europeans? The only predictable thing I can see in this thread is you making some daft anti-Euro statement.

Of course people will draw conclusions from a fight they've just seen. I'm really struggling to understand why, after watching Deontay labour against probably his 3rd best opponent, watching his legs buckle and be inaccurate with his right hand, it wouldn't inform us more on what he's like.
It's not like his body of work can suggest that this was a bad day at the office, is it?[/quote]

When someone can't draw conclusions from Wilder-Molina, they simply lack the ability to draw conclusions.[/quote]

Right riiiight. Because you know boxing and I don't.

FOH.[/quote]>>>diddy


YOU are the one who said you couldn't draw any conclusions.

[ajwesty13]

It doesnt matter what part of the world you are from Wilder looked woeful. Fighting in front of his home crowd seemed to upset him he looked edgy uptight and looked closer to an amateur than a world champion.

[sendo]

I'm not surprised, all those tomato cans on his record and was getting knocked around in sparring for years.

The big question is whether he actually goes ahead with fighting Povetkin, as that looks a clear win for Povetkin even with the size difference.

[sykessta]

I think the first few rounds wilder was just looking for a quick knockout in front of his home crowd like paulie stated and wasn't doing anything to set up the right hand. Once he stared incorporating the hook and mixing his punches up is when he had success. That being said he definetly needs to work on lateral movement and slipping punches instead of just pedaling backwards with his head leaned back. He's bound to get floored by an overhand right doing that. Some more body punches as paulie also stated would do good too.

Wilder will be showcasing artful headslips and good bodypunching at about the same point Floyd becomes a take-one-to-land-one offensive buzzsaw.

well then I guess it's safe to assume he's gonna have a date with the canvas as soon as he fights anyone worth a crap.

[Lackeos]

Do you ever get bored of trying to troll Europeans? The only predictable thing I can see in this thread is you making some daft anti-Euro statement.

Of course people will draw conclusions from a fight they've just seen. I'm really struggling to understand why, after watching Deontay labour against probably his 3rd best opponent, watching his legs buckle and be inaccurate with his right hand, it wouldn't inform us more on what he's like.
It's not like his body of work can suggest that this was a bad day at the office, is it?

When someone can't draw conclusions from Wilder-Molina, they simply lack the ability to draw conclusions.

Right riiiight. Because you know boxing and I don't.

FOH.

I think you already admitted that you don't know how to draw conclusions based on facts, so I mean... it's possible that you don't know boxing. How would you have learned it if you don't have the ability to learn?

Also, every time you come on here and kick-up dirt, it's because you lost a bet. You probably bet the under on Wilder - Molina and are mad that it went over. If you knew boxing, you wouldn't be losing bets all of the time.

[ldlamb]

You guys are ridiculous. wilder didnt look great, but he hurt Molina on multiple occasions and eventually finished him off. He had one bad moment in the third, but came back to dominate the 4th and the 5th. Im not saying he's the second best Heavy in the world, there are plenty of fights that he could lose, but to say its a sure thing off this one performance shows your short sightedness.

[ldlamb]

Lewis UD Mavrovic
Holyfield UD Bean
Tyson UD Tillis
Holmes UD Lucien Rodriguez
Ali UD Mathis


All these guys must suck too, since they werent able to quickly dispose of average fighters.

[crusader]

Those guys all had many results which show their excellence. Wilder lacks those results and people have noted the pronounced flaws in his game for a while---this isn't something that suddenly came up based on one fight.

[Bard of Boxrec]

Also, every time you come on here and kick-up dirt, it's because you lost a bet. You probably bet the under on Wilder - Molina and are mad that it went over. If you knew boxing, you wouldn't be losing bets all of the time.

hmmm. to be fair to diddy he does have a long history of good picks, prob the single most solid bettor i've seen on this site

[punchoutsb]

Lewis UD Mavrovic
Holyfield UD Bean
Tyson UD Tillis
Holmes UD Lucien Rodriguez
Ali UD Mathis


All these guys must suck too, since they werent able to quickly dispose of average fighters.

[Bard of Boxrec]

Those guys all had many results which show their excellence. Wilder lacks those results and people have noted the pronounced flaws in his game for a while---this isn't something that suddenly came up based on one fight.

Plus those guys who lasted the distance vs the top fighters were at least proven tough and durable in the main. Molina came in with a couple of first round losses on the record, and was fully expected to be decimated.

[diddy]

Also, every time you come on here and kick-up dirt, it's because you lost a bet. You probably bet the under on Wilder - Molina and are mad that it went over. If you knew boxing, you wouldn't be losing bets all of the time.

hmmm. to be fair to diddy he does have a long history of good picks, prob the single most solid bettor i've seen on this site

I've had 2 websites stop taking my action on boxing. One altogether and another who lowered my limits to basically zero. True story. I obviously no longer play at either book. The sport has been very very good to me.

[Badhusker]

Let's see how many of you guys have the boys to bet against Wilder winning his next fight? It is so smart to point out the obvious after a fight is done, isn't it?

It is a careful bet, isn't it? The kid looks crude and untested, but risky against anyone.