Calzaghe-certain-he-would-have-demolished froch-in-his-prime

[mickey1975]

They did Hatton's 10 year party on Saturday.

[orbtastic]

I saw him in the City wotsit lounge at the last game of the season, a bit surreal. My mate who has season tickets said he's in there all the time.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Oh yeah, the 90s also produced possibly my favourite lyric ever:

Jesus was a black man
No, Jesus was Batman
No, that was Bruce Wayne

(Cudos to anyone who gets the artist & song title)

Black grape. Kellys heroes. That's easy. Britpop 101.

Great album btw. Top 5 of all time

90s was ace. That line was ace. Music is now poo.

luckily i can relive my youth daily for 2 hours in the car and fetch my bucket hat, flared jeans and long sleeve round neck adidas t for the weekend

There's always good music, and there's some brilliant songwriting going on right now - Ed Sheeran, even if you don't like his music is an incredible lyricist, - considering he's a mainstream artist, I'd say it's pretty healthy, though I do find a lot of the current vocoder dominated overproduced pop music pretty anodyne these days.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Supergrass, beetle?

Did you not rate Supergrass? They weren't anywhere near my favourites, but Caught by the Fuzz and Richard III are ace songs.

Nah, thought they were awful

The Monkees of their day, - flyaway pop-dross.

[stevieb_8006]

The 90's was ok, but it was mainly bands spawning off the originals - it crossed over into the mainstream and then you'd have gangs of muppets in beanie hats getting wankered and slurring Sally Cinnamon along together in unison to the corpse of the Stone Roses. The same lads who'd take the piss out of us kids 'with silly long hair' when the band actually mattered.

Prior to Oasis, the only way you heard proper Indie music was going into a record shop, or in a club. Now and again the "Chart Show" on ITV would flick through the Indie chart and you'd get a glimspe of Cocteau Twins, Monday's or Carpets. It was very cool and underground (believe it or not).

Weatherall, Oakenfold should get a lot of credit too during that periodII

I'm gona file this under never a truer word spoken

[SNG]

We need to get you some new records, Steve.

[freddydoesdallas]

There's always good music, and there's some brilliant songwriting going on right now - Ed Sheeran, even if you don't like his music is an incredible lyricist, - considering he's a mainstream artist, I'd say it's pretty healthy, though I do find a lot of the current vocoder dominated overproduced pop music pretty anodyne these days.

Ed Sheeran is a wet lettuce. Pretty much sums up the current awful state of music for me. Bland, inoffensive stuff that appeals to parents and kids. Middle class england personified

[jamesmcdonnell]

There's always good music, and there's some brilliant songwriting going on right now - Ed Sheeran, even if you don't like his music is an incredible lyricist, - considering he's a mainstream artist, I'd say it's pretty healthy, though I do find a lot of the current vocoder dominated overproduced pop music pretty anodyne these days.

Ed Sheeran is a wet lettuce. Pretty much sums up the current awful state of music for me. Bland, inoffensive stuff that appeals to parents and kids. Middle class england personified

Each to their own - don't see what class has to do with it - the guy writes very beautiful lyrics - for me Oasis were the most overrated band of all time - football chant lyrics and mock beatles horseshite, few good tunes, but really pretty simple stuff.

Have you actually sat and listened to the first Ed Sheeran album?

[stevieb_8006]

We need to get you some new records, Steve.

I don't do new music. Not since about 2006.

Quite like akala but that's about it.

Modern music sounds like it's been made with the intention of being heard thru a computer.

[orbtastic]

How it's made has something to do with it.

Also doesn't help that in this particular age a lot of the recording techniques are lost or people are just bypassing the usual system/methods so it is literally made on computer.

Which is fine, progress and all that but some of it sounds like absolute crap on a decent system.

The Stone Roses are partly to blame for everything that came after it (or at least, music with guitars). The music press had a hard-on for making scenes out of nothing or hyping bands and it's almost like they had to constantly champion something, no matter how bad or poor it was.

[orbtastic]

You only have to look at Noel's roots to see that what made Oasis (for an album and a half at least) is what broke them. You can't compare writing lyrics (albeit simplistic ones at that) whilst on the dole or hiding away in a cupboard on your YTS scheme to writing lyrics whilst in 5-star hotels and on huge air-conditioned tour buses. You've only got to look at the clumsy use of the Alessi "sugar" jar to see where the majority of his motivation came from.

[Counter-puncher]

The music press had a hard-on for making scenes out of nothing or hyping bands and it's almost like they had to constantly champion something, no matter how bad or poor it was.

Riot girrrrl, or 'New Wave of New Wave', anyone?

[orbtastic]

"well, like, we've always had a dance element to our music"

[SNG]

Nu-rave in the mid to late 2000s has to be the worst. Talk about stretching the link between all those bands, I do remember going to see Klaxons and MGMT and some people were wearing the get-up so the NME got through to some people.

[jamesmcdonnell]

You only have to look at Noel's roots to see that what made Oasis (for an album and a half at least) is what broke them. You can't compare writing lyrics (albeit simplistic ones at that) whilst on the dole or hiding away in a cupboard on your YTS scheme to writing lyrics whilst in 5-star hotels and on huge air-conditioned tour buses. You've only got to look at the clumsy use of the Alessi "sugar" jar to see where the majority of his motivation came from.

It especially is if you aren't really all that interesting either. Very very few bands managed to stay interesting once they made it.

The beatles were an exception, but then also they didn't stay together that long - I'm sure eventually they would have become boring and tired, but they and Blur are two examples of bands who had enough interesting thoughts to stay interesting, and even become more interesting once they made it big - they actually had some interesting insights. If you're not that bright, then your insights are going to be limited.

[mickey1975]

I have it on good authority that Noel is a bit of a dick. Great two albums, though. Soundtrack to my youth.

[orbtastic]

Nu-rave in the mid to late 2000s has to be the worst. Talk about stretching the link between all those bands, I do remember going to see Klaxons and MGMT and some people were wearing the get-up so the NME got through to some people.

One of my mates was in Neon Plastix, it was quite surreal seeing people massively into it, non ironically. I think they (Plastix) and Klaxons were being serious whilst at the same time sort of taking the piss. It's true that they were letting people write about a scene that didn't exist, but don't tell me when you're driving in a limo to headline a festival somewhere in Europe and being paid for it, that you're "really taking the piss out of the whole scene, man"...

[orbtastic]

I have it on good authority that Noel is a bit of a dick. Great two albums, though. Soundtrack to my youth.

Was it you that mentioned Shed Seven? Wasn't the guy you know doing the pub quiz at Orgasmic?

[Counter-puncher]

Nu-rave in the mid to late 2000s has to be the worst. Talk about stretching the link between all those bands, I do remember going to see Klaxons and MGMT and some people were wearing the get-up so the NME got through to some people.

One of my mates was in Neon Plastix, it was quite surreal seeing people massively into it, non ironically. I think they (Plastix) and Klaxons were being serious whilst at the same time sort of taking the piss. It's true that they were letting people write about a scene that didn't exist, but don't tell me when you're driving in a limo to headline a festival somewhere in Europe and being paid for it, that you're "really taking the piss out of the whole scene, man"...

[jamesmcdonnell]

I have it on good authority that Noel is a bit of a dick. Great two albums, though. Soundtrack to my youth.

Let's be frank, they both came across as massive twats on the way up, people found it amusing, but they probably weren't nice people to be around.


I was once banjoed late at night in Belsize park and saw Liam bowling down the road like a twat with his sunglasses on at midnight, and apparently shouted at him as he walked past me "F+KK me Liam I knew you were bandy, but I never knew you had F++king rickets!"

I had no recollection of it, but I am rather pleased it happened nonetheless.

Never had any time for Oasis really - their music is about frigg all except their own enormous egoism.

[SNG]

Nu-rave in the mid to late 2000s has to be the worst. Talk about stretching the link between all those bands, I do remember going to see Klaxons and MGMT and some people were wearing the get-up so the NME got through to some people.

One of my mates was in Neon Plastix, it was quite surreal seeing people massively into it, non ironically. I think they (Plastix) and Klaxons were being serious whilst at the same time sort of taking the piss. It's true that they were letting people write about a scene that didn't exist, but don't tell me when you're driving in a limo to headline a festival somewhere in Europe and being paid for it, that you're "really taking the piss out of the whole scene, man"...

It was just strange seeing the crowds change as the bands got a bit bigger, and then the fashion side crept in (which was bloody awful, no idea where that came from). The bands linked under the banner were all quite odd I thought, you had the likes of Hadouken! Klaxons, CSS, The Sunshine Underground and even Enter Shikari were with their first record, very different sounding bunch of bands if you ask me. Whether they meant it or not the 'scene' was very much a media construction, as the early gigs weren't like the later ones when the scene kicked in.

[mickey1975]

I have it on good authority that Noel is a bit of a dick. Great two albums, though. Soundtrack to my youth.

Was it you that mentioned Shed Seven? Wasn't the guy you know doing the pub quiz at Orgasmic?

That will have been Alan, the drummer. He's developed some sort of pub quizz app. I know him a bit, not much. Doing well with it, apparently.

[SNG]

Anyone remember Forward Russia?

[mickey1975]

And yes, Oasis lyrics weren't the best but they certainly caught the imagination in the mid 90's. They were on every jukebox of every pub in the mid 90's.

[SNG]

Oasis were the first band I ever got into. I was ten when Morning Glory came out and rented the cassette from the library and I loved them then. Don't really listen to them anymore, but they got me into all the music I'm into these days in a way, or at least they were the start.

I bought Be Here Now on vinyl recently, a really nice copy on Creation and it sounds so big on the stereo, I was quite shocked at how good it sounded, the songs were still a bit shit though.