Wilder's Next Fight

[snake33]

Hayman will come up with enough money to get Povetkin to step aside and Wilder can fight Jennings or some other less dangerous opponent.
In the meantime he needs a trainer that he will listen to that will teach him to not lean straight back to avoid a punch, to use effective head movement occasionally, fight tall on the end of his jab and not throw sweeping bolo shots till right at the finish.

[HomicideHenry]

I'm figuring Wilder is banking on what happens to Fury/Klitschko.... I'm figuring that regardless of what happens, it will be a WBC unification contest that will be next for Wilder.

[keithmoonhangover]

Some of the posts on here are crazy. Already people are saying Wilder is scared of fighting Povetkin. Madness.

[Freedom2013]

Let's not forget the fact that Russian promoter Vladimir Hryunov submitted an enormous $23,333,330 for the right to promote the Povetkin-Klitschko bout.

I’m not sure if Al Haymon possesses enough financial backing to compete with the sort of money that Hryunov could afford.

The WBC purse bid deadline won’t be set until October, so we may be able to gauge things better then, but if the Wilder-Povetkin bout does go to purse bids, I’d expect to see Deontay Wilder face Alexander Povetkin in Moscow for an enormous sum of money or be forced to vacate the belt.

The thing is… Wilder would automatically receive a 75% lion’s share of the winning purse bid total, with Haymon receiving a cut that is speculated to be around the 10% to 15% mark.

If Haymon refuses to play ball with Vladimir Hryunov, like he did when he declined Roc Nations’ preposterous sums of money to promote several of his fighters’, then Wilder will vacate his belt in the very same manner that Quillin did. However, I don’t believe that there’s any beef between Hryunov & Haymon, so I doubt things will come to that.

Povetkin hasn't had anything to do with Hryunov since 2013.

Hryunov is far from rich. He was never Povetkin's promoter, although he was Povetkin's manager for several years.

Hryunov's a small promoter in Russia now, and has no really good Russian boxers in his promotional stable, just some ordinary guys like the Chudinovs and Ustinov.

Although some in the media may have reported the Klitschko fight's massive purse bid as Hryunov's, since as manager he was the spokesperson representing Povetkin at the purse bid, it was actually made by Povetkin's multi-millionaire promoter, Andrey Ryabinsky.

Ryabinsky's company is called "The World of Boxing".

[Freedom2013]

BS has two Russian reporters/writers, so details are less likely to get lost in translation:

Povetkin parts ways with Hryunov


Przemek Garczarczyk of fightnews isn't Russian but he gets the details of East European boxing news right, he's a quality boxing journalist. Read this:

http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/intervi ... kin-214687


Ryabinsky is a great guy who puts on quality boxing events in Moscow. He has been known to use his money for the good of boxing:

http://www.BS.com/ryabinsky-he ... ute--91887


Drozd and Lebedev also left Hryunov some time ago.

http://www.BS.com/grigory-droz ... ov---67572

[Freedom2013]

I'll concede your points, but if Hryunov didn't fund the money to post the purse bid in the first place, could the same backer still outbid Haymon?

Yes, Ryabinsky is very wealthy.

He probably has much more money than Haymon and can win the purse bid if he wants. I think he will.

[tiny_acres]

I'll concede your points, but if Hryunov didn't fund the money to post the purse bid in the first place, could the same backer still outbid Haymon?

Yes, Ryabinsky is very wealthy.

He probably has much more money than Haymon and can win the purse bid if he wants. I think he will.

I agree he will bid on this fight. But I doubt he will bid close to what he did for the Wlad fight.

[Freedom2013]

I'll concede your points, but if Hryunov didn't fund the money to post the purse bid in the first place, could the same backer still outbid Haymon?

Yes, Ryabinsky is very wealthy.

He probably has much more money than Haymon and can win the purse bid if he wants. I think he will.

I agree he will bid on this fight. But I doubt he will bid close to what he did for the Wlad fight.

Yes, I don't think he'll need to bid that amount.

$10,000,000 or $8,000,000 will likely be enough to win.

[Boxing Writer]

Hrunov was bad for Povetkin. He made him look like a coward, when Povetkin was ducking Wlad for 4+ years. In reality i'm sure it wasn't Povetkin's idea to duck Wlad, it was Hrunov's one. He probably thought Wlad will get old, but it didn't happen. He also brought Teddy Atlas, who was a bad trainer for Povetkin.

[Freedom2013]

Hrunov was bad for Povetkin. He made him look like a coward, when Povetkin was ducking Wlad for 4+ years. In reality i'm sure it wasn't Povetkin's idea to duck Wlad, it was Hrunov's one. He probably thought Wlad will get old, but it didn't happen. He also brought Teddy Atlas, who was a bad trainer for Povetkin.

Yes.

Povetkin's career is in much better hands now with Andrey Ryabinsky, and he has the right trainer in Alexander Zimin.

[Crease]

Some of the posts on here are crazy. Already people are saying Wilder is scared of fighting Povetkin. Madness.

Your are entitled to your opinion, but there can be no denying that Wilder has taken a (shall we say) "less challenging" pathway to becoming a World Heavyweight Champion. And the noises coming out of his camp don't suggest to me that this is going to change any time soon.

[punchoutsb]

Even though he had a sub-par performance, I would like to see him against Povetkin, Parker, or Joshua. If you are a champ you don't need more tuneups. Lets see what he is made of, win or lose.

Why is Parker mentioned who he's ever beat to even be in the discussions

Because he's much better than Molina.

[keithmoonhangover]

Some of the posts on here are crazy. Already people are saying Wilder is scared of fighting Povetkin. Madness.

Your are entitled to your opinion, but there can be no denying that Wilder has taken a (shall we say) "less challenging" pathway to becoming a World Heavyweight Champion. And the noises coming out of his camp don't suggest to me that this is going to change any time soon.

I know about his less challenging route and agree. What I'm saying is that Wilder is an unbeaten professional boxer, who's never shared a ring with Povetkin. He will not be 'scared' of fighting him. If you think he is, you don't know boxing.

[tiny_acres]

Eddie Chambers signed with Al Haymon yesterday and he’s a very beatable fighter that casual boxing observers (who have absolutely no idea of resumes or form) will consider a legitimate contender, because:
• He is currently on a five-fight winning streak (against nobodies)
• A former world title contender
• A fellow American
• Has only suffered four defeats in a 45 fight career

In my opinion, the fleshy diminutive feather-fisted American (future) challenger would be considered a safe option for the rather vulnerable Deontay Wilder.

Haymon is going to have to pull some magic with the WBC to get it to happen in September.
Chambers is only ranked 37th by the WBC.
Though less surprising things have happened

[tiny_acres]

Eddie Chambers signed with Al Haymon yesterday and he’s a very beatable fighter that casual boxing observers (who have absolutely no idea of resumes or form) will consider a legitimate contender, because:
• He is currently on a five-fight winning streak (against nobodies)
• A former world title contender
• A fellow American
• Has only suffered four defeats in a 45 fight career

In my opinion, the fleshy diminutive feather-fisted American (future) challenger would be considered a safe option for the rather vulnerable Deontay Wilder.

Haymon is going to have to pull some magic with the WBC to get it to happen in September.
Chambers is only ranked 37th by the WBC.
Though less surprising things have happened

You’re absolutely right!

Chambers does not fit the criteria specified by the WBC to be automatically deemed as a “qualified challenger”, so it may be difficult for Eddie to gain approval as Deontay’s next opponent.

However, the WBC has a stipulation that allows their own rules to be ignored “under special circumstances”, as long as their Board of Governors provide their approval.

Eddie Chambers may not be Wilder’s very next opponent, but the timing is uncanny, unless he’s being used as cannon-fodder for one of the other heavyweights in Haymon’s stable.

I suspect that Chambers will be ranked #15 in July's ratings.September he will be the next challenger.
And though Chambers has very little power he is a talented boxer who could give Deontay some rounds.

[Ilya Muromets]

Fake heavyweight champion Wilder should fight fake heavyweight champion Chagaev to determine who it is the real fake heavyweight champion.

[Impractical Poster]

I believe Wilder will fight Povetkin next, and successfully defend his championship.

[Crease]

I know about his less challenging route and agree. What I'm saying is that Wilder is an unbeaten professional boxer, who's never shared a ring with Povetkin. He will not be 'scared' of fighting him.

I would venture to say that Wilder has more cause to avoid Povetkin compared to most of the other Heavyweights knocking around out there. The fact remains, Wilder has never fought an opponent as good as Povetkin.

If you think he is, you don't know boxing.

If I disagree with you, I "don't know boxing" - don't you think that's more than a little childish?

[Crease]

I believe Wilder will fight Povetkin next, and successfully defend his championship.

Only time will tell on either account.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I believe that Deontay Wilder’s inexperience and lack of boxing ability was badly exposed last night and he has until Spring of next year to address many of his stylistic flaws, because if he doesn’t, his WBC world heavyweight title will be heading to Russia (as he’s due to perform a mandatory defence against Alexander Povetkin).

Here’s a list of some of the flaws that I saw in Deontay’s performance last night:

• I didn’t witness Wilder exploit any counter-punching opportunities, despite his claim during the post-fight interview that he’s trying to become more “scientific” in his approach by out-boxing his opponents.

• For the vast majority of the first three rounds, Wilder did a lot of posturing, looking for openings (rather than creating them). He doesn’t appear to know how to break down his opponent or to create openings. He simply chased the ‘Drummer Boy’ around the ring and then occasionally threw clumsy wide hooks when he saw an opportunity… and I feel that an experienced opponent could easily counter or defend these badly telegraphed shots.

• During stages of last night’s fight, Deontay Wilder employed a static high guard that committed his arms to defence… and due to his lack of knowledge of that stance, he didn’t know how to counter Molina’s hooks to the body and uppercuts to the head.

• What was intriguing, which you’ll clearly see in the seventh round, was Deontay’s response to being on the receiving end of several solid hooks to the body whilst his own guard was high, because instead of using his legs move himself out of punching range, he instead lowered his guard and he brought his elbows down to his hips.

His reaction was reminiscent to James Kirkland’s or Julian Jackson’s when they got KO’d by Canelo Alvarez and Mike McCallum respectively. An experienced boxer would exploit Wilder’s natural tendency, by throwing a combo, by feinting or touching the body and immediately following up with a heavy blow to the head. Molina managed to land a few decent hooks to the body, but he didn’t carry enough ambition or possess enough skill to exploit Deontay’s vulnerabilities when he brought his guard down.

• Deontay Wilder doesn’t appear to know how to finish-off his opponents, because instead of using controlled aggression and picking his shots, he was off balance (as he loaded-up on every blow) whilst randomly flailing away several looping clumsy hooks. I think that this weakness would allow a decent opponent to survive his onslaughts and they may even be able exploit it (if they played possum and threw a decent counter).

At this point in time, barring a lottery-winning million-to-one-shot KO punch, I don’t believe that Wilder would stand a chance of beating the likes of Fury & Klitschko. He has far too much to learn.

Therefore, based on Wilder & Haymon’s desire to retain ownership of the WBC strap, I predict that Deontay will be quite busy and may try to perform three quick defences of his title against opponents of Molina’s ilk, because he obviously needs to learn his trade before mixing with truly top-tier world-class talent.

I've not watched Wilder for a while, but it sounds like he is still very Raw - it's doubtful how much he can really improve, given the fact he still has such glaring technical flaws, but then again, that's what happens when you have a record littered with stiffs, you learn shite all.

The fact he is still flailing away when his opponent is hurt, is a very bad sign - he's not going to be the future of the division.

I'd be surprised if they let him face Povetkin, because that sounds like a fight where he would be the underdog.

[keithmoonhangover]

I know about his less challenging route and agree. What I'm saying is that Wilder is an unbeaten professional boxer, who's never shared a ring with Povetkin. He will not be 'scared' of fighting him.

I would venture to say that Wilder has more cause to avoid Povetkin compared to most of the other Heavyweights knocking around out there. The fact remains, Wilder has never fought an opponent as good as Povetkin.

If you think he is, you don't know boxing.

If I disagree with you, I "don't know boxing" - don't you think that's more than a little childish?

Let me start by saying Povetkin is my favourite heavyweight and that I picked him to beat Wlad. He is clearly the second best heavyweight in the world and would eat Wilder alive in the ring. Haymon will want to give Wilder as many fights as he can before he fight Povetkin and who can blame him. It is called prize fighting. Although presumably at some point Wilder will have to fight either Sasha or Wlad.

Back to you asking me if I'm childish. No, not in the slightest. I just think that for keyboard boxing forum users to suggest that Wilder is somehow 'scared' of fighting a guy who has only been his mandatory for a few weeks is preposterous.

[Cap]

Prediction: Wilder will fight an American ranked in the top 50.
Prediction: Once they receive the cheque, the WBC will rank Chambers in their top 15.
Prediction: When they finally meet, Povetkin will win a majority decision over Wilder in Moscow.

[dempseyfire]

They wont put him in with Povetkin if they can avoid it.

Yep. I don't see Haymon going there, especially after the Molina fight. If he cashes Deontay out, it'll be against Klitschko. My bet is he sways the WBC to give him another voluntary defense, vs someone like Eddie Chambers, Antonio Tarver, or Glazkov.

[Crease]

Let me start by saying Povetkin is my favourite heavyweight and that I picked him to beat Wlad. He is clearly the second best heavyweight in the world and would eat Wilder alive in the ring.

So to be clear - you're picking Povetkin to beat him in the ring...

Back to you asking me if I'm childish. No, not in the slightest.

Insulting others (who you don't even know) just because they have a differing opinion from yours - I would consider that to be childish behavior.

I just think that for keyboard boxing forum users to suggest that Wilder is somehow 'scared' of fighting a guy who has only been his mandatory for a few weeks is preposterous.

Following your first statement that I've put in red. Don't you understand his reluctance for such a fight to take place? Surely you would consider the possibility that Deontay probably doesn't want this fight - or at least concede that this bout is very likely to be well down his list of preferred fights.

[N2 Shape]

I can the likes of Shannon Briggs being the opponent. Well known name, promoters dream. And more importantly Wilder stops him.