We need boxers with pride

[Pureist]

Where has all the pride gone when it comes to being the best, golden eras in boxing were created by boxers who had pride and were willing to fight who they needed to so they could rise to the top of the ladder, half the posts on the forums these days are about who is ducking who, who manipulated their way to the top and how they will avoid the dangerous fighters, boxing has fallen into decline due to greed and networks fighting for their percentage, will boxing ever recover

[man]

DLH was the man with the right attitude IMHO.

[DaveyMac]

Fighters like that exist as much as they ever did, it's the system that has changed.

People just don't invest in fighters with losses the way they did in the "good old days". It's extremely expensive to bring a fighter to a level of profitability and people just aren't willing to risk that investment any more on highly contested fights.

Sad but true.
But it's not the fighters dictating this, it's the money.

[ikorolev]

Where has all the pride gone when it comes to being the best, golden eras in boxing were created by boxers who had pride and were willing to fight who they needed to so they could rise to the top of the ladder, half the posts on the forums these days are about who is ducking who, who manipulated their way to the top and how they will avoid the dangerous fighters, boxing has fallen into decline due to greed and networks fighting for their percentage, will boxing ever recover

Exactly. There are boxers like Mayweather, Cotto, and some others now including Pacquiao who have more than enough money to not worry much about the monetary side of things and longevity of their careers, but they are cherry picking instead of fighting the best available opposition. When the most popular boxers are setting such a poor example, others (who have more reasons to care about money and longevity) follow them.

[punchoutsb]

• Boxers are PRIDE fighters = False
• Boxers are PRIZE fighters = True
• Fans care for the wealth-fare of retired fighters = False
• Fans care for financial situation of fighters = False
• Fans care for the health of fighters = False

I see what you're trying to say, but a fan's "job" (for lack of a better word) is to want to see the best contests. If you expect a fan of any sport to say "I don't care what matches/games/whatever are made, just so long as everyone involved makes the most money possible" then you are confusing fan with financial advisor.

[punchoutsb]

• Boxers are PRIDE fighters = False
• Boxers are PRIZE fighters = True
• Fans care for the wealth-fare of retired fighters = False
• Fans care for financial situation of fighters = False
• Fans care for the health of fighters = False

I see what you're trying to say, but a fan's "job" (for lack of a better word) is to want to see the best contests. If you expect a fan of any sport to say "I don't care what matches/games/whatever are made, just so long as everyone involved makes the most money possible" then you are confusing fan with financial advisor.

• Fans expect to see the best fights = True
• Human beings are responsible for looking after their own best long-term interests = True
• Fans should show empathy towards the reasons why a boxer fights for money = True
• Would fans hold the same opinion if the shoe was on the other foot = False
• Fans and boxers always share a common goal = False

I already said I see what you're trying to say. It doesn't change the fact that fans watch sports for the competition and will forever be seeking to satisfy that. If you expect a fan to drop to their knees in joy because fighter A made $2 mil instead of $1.5 mil then you're being silly.

[tiny_acres]

I will quote one of my favorite fighters Larry Holmes.
"Pride don't put food in my mouth" "I was poor once.Now I am rich.Being rich is a whole lot better"

[ikorolev]

I will quote one of my favorite fighters Larry Holmes.
"Pride don't put food in my mouth" "I was poor once.Now I am rich.Being rich is a whole lot better"

So, now when they are rich (some are very rich), what prevents them from recollecting about pride ?

[tiny_acres]

I will quote one of my favorite fighters Larry Holmes.
"Pride don't put food in my mouth" "I was poor once.Now I am rich.Being rich is a whole lot better"

So, now when they are rich (some are very rich), what prevents them from recollecting about pride ?

I don;t know about you but having my brain still functioning.Money in the bank and a long healthy life after
the sport is over for myself.Would give me a hell of a sense of pride.
But that is just my opinion

[Rexob]

Where has all the pride gone when it comes to being the best, golden eras in boxing were created by boxers who had pride and were willing to fight who they needed to so they could rise to the top of the ladder, half the posts on the forums these days are about who is ducking who, who manipulated their way to the top and how they will avoid the dangerous fighters, boxing has fallen into decline due to greed and networks fighting for their percentage, will boxing ever recover

We have just witnessed the biggest fight in boxing history against 2 all time great fighters and best of their eras what more do you want?!

[Cholo_cws]

Where has all the pride gone when it comes to being the best, golden eras in boxing were created by boxers who had pride and were willing to fight who they needed to so they could rise to the top of the ladder, half the posts on the forums these days are about who is ducking who, who manipulated their way to the top and how they will avoid the dangerous fighters, boxing has fallen into decline due to greed and networks fighting for their percentage, will boxing ever recover

We have just witnessed the biggest fight in boxing history against 2 all time great fighters and best of their eras what more do you want?!

One swallow (arriving five years too late) doesn't make a summer etc.

If boxers don't want to face each other then fine, let it be known but don't go masquerading as a 'champion'. There was a time when they'd be called out on it. There's too many outlets for boxers to avoid each other. I struggle to see how boxing expects to be taken seriously at times.

[Counter-puncher]

I will quote one of my favorite fighters Larry Holmes.
"Pride don't put food in my mouth" "I was poor once.Now I am rich.Being rich is a whole lot better"

Larry

[handsofstone]

I will quote one of my favorite fighters Larry Holmes.
"Pride don't put food in my mouth" "I was poor once.Now I am rich.Being rich is a whole lot better"

Larry

Congrats on the 10,000 post mark CP

[Counter-puncher]

Really? uh, thanks.

I'm trying to work out if that means I spend too much time on here. It probably does.

[Cholo_cws]

I will quote one of my favorite fighters Larry Holmes.
"Pride don't put food in my mouth" "I was poor once.Now I am rich.Being rich is a whole lot better"

But in that case should Larry really complain so visibly about lack of respect and acknowledgement when he didn't face the likes of Thomas, Dokes, Page, Coetzee, Witherspoon rematch? It wasn't all just about him having had to follow Ali.

[Cap]

Larry "The Thumb" Holmes was all about himself and what a terrific fighter he was in his own mind. I never laughed so hard in my life like I did the night Holmes first got jobbed by Michael Spinks. It was priceless. The look on his face was worth millions, and a double sawbuck in cold hard cash.

[Pureist]

The top names are earning more than ever before with ppv these days but at the same time fights like floyd,pac took 6 years, paying move aside money for mandatorys and the sanctioning body's allowing it to happen is ridiculous, if the promoters weren't tied up to hbo, Showtime etc and they had to bid for the rights to show each fight like a purse bid would we see better fights do you think

[KBB]

Where has all the pride gone when it comes to being the best, golden eras in boxing were created by boxers who had pride and were willing to fight who they needed to so they could rise to the top of the ladder, half the posts on the forums these days are about who is ducking who, who manipulated their way to the top and how they will avoid the dangerous fighters, boxing has fallen into decline due to greed and networks fighting for their percentage, will boxing ever recover

Exactly. There are boxers like Mayweather, Cotto, and some others now including Pacquiao who have more than enough money to not worry much about the monetary side of things and longevity of their careers, but they are cherry picking instead of fighting the best available opposition. When the most popular boxers are setting such a poor example, others (who have more reasons to care about money and longevity) follow them.

Who is the best opposition for Manny?? Not sure who you will say on this one but doesn't he deserve an easy one especially if he is retiring??
Floyd?? You'll probably say Thurman but honestly what has he done at this point?? Doesn't he deserve an easy ride in his last bout also?
Cotto?? I already know you will say GGG

The only one I can think of that is not facing his best comp at this moment is Cotto but that will soon change as he already stated he'll fight Canelo and then GGG.

I'm not sure why we're not seeing that these guys are fighting their best competition.

[Pureist]

Actually no I don't think any of them deserve an easy one, that would equate to another mismatch, if they want an easy one, retire instead of fighting, too many easy fights are accepted, would you want to watch Floyd v Oscar, would that be competitive, would you want to watch pacquaio v Oscar, how about GGG and Oscar, I'd like GGG and ward or GGG and Floyd if GGG came down, I'd like cotto v Floyd now, I'd like Alvarez and cotto and that's the only one in reality I can see happening in the next 12 months

[NateJR]

I'll give you 2 words.... Social Media.... this shit makes me laugh to no end, no great from the past ducked? there wasn't a A-side? Promoters didnt run the sport? how times have clouded judgment lmao.. boxing is more alike than it is different from 50 years ago.. biggest difference is technology and social media.

[ikorolev]

There are a few ones with pride though, for example Bradley:

http://www.BS.com/tim-bradley- ... 160--92509?

I would say he should fight Lara first, and a winner will deserve GGG beating

[Pureist]

I'll give you 2 words.... Social Media.... this poo makes me laugh to no end, no great from the past ducked? there wasn't a A-side? Promoters didnt run the sport? how times have clouded judgment lmao.. boxing is more alike than it is different from 50 years ago.. biggest difference is technology and social media.

Big fights were made so much more often, I find the media, ie hbo and Showtime control more than the promoters since PPV became prevalent, floyd and pacquaio proved if you have the name that the media will buckle eventually

[Cap]

The splintering of titles made more "champions" who didn't have to fight each other so cherry-picked opponents. In the days of only one generally recognized champion the contenders had to fight each other to get a shot at the top dog. In those times being the fifth or sixth ranked contender actually meant something.

[KBB]

Actually no I don't think any of them deserve an easy one, that would equate to another mismatch, if they want an easy one, retire instead of fighting, too many easy fights are accepted, would you want to watch Floyd v Oscar, would that be competitive, would you want to watch pacquaio v Oscar, how about GGG and Oscar, I'd like GGG and ward or GGG and Floyd if GGG came down, I'd like cotto v Floyd now, I'd like Alvarez and cotto and that's the only one in reality I can see happening in the next 12 months

Sure I wouldn't mind seeing either of them take an easy fight if they are retiring, they've already fought everyone, GGG on the other hand needs to be focused on moving up and fighting Ward since he can't get any fights at 60.

[punchoutsb]

Actually no I don't think any of them deserve an easy one, that would equate to another mismatch, if they want an easy one, retire instead of fighting, too many easy fights are accepted, would you want to watch Floyd v Oscar, would that be competitive, would you want to watch pacquaio v Oscar, how about GGG and Oscar, I'd like GGG and ward or GGG and Floyd if GGG came down, I'd like cotto v Floyd now, I'd like Alvarez and cotto and that's the only one in reality I can see happening in the next 12 months

GGG on the other hand needs to be focused on moving up and fighting Ward since he can't get any fights at 60.

Why?