Pureist wrote:Actually no I don't think any of them deserve an easy one, that would equate to another mismatch, if they want an easy one, retire instead of fighting, too many easy fights are accepted, would you want to watch Floyd v Oscar, would that be competitive, would you want to watch pacquaio v Oscar, how about GGG and Oscar, I'd like GGG and ward or GGG and Floyd if GGG came down, I'd like cotto v Floyd now, I'd like Alvarez and cotto and that's the only one in reality I can see happening in the next 12 months
GGG on the other hand needs to be focused on moving up and fighting Ward since he can't get any fights at 60.
Why?
Duh that should be obvious, he's not getting big fights or meaningful/title fights at MW.
There's still lots of good fights happening every weekend if you're a real fan.
I'll be enjoying great matchups this weekend like Lemieux v N'Dam and Porter v. Broner.
If you want to choose to focus your energy on who's ducking who instead, go for it.
I'd rather focus on who's actually fighting ;;-)
kcharles520 wrote:There's still lots of good fights happening every weekend if you're a real fan.
I'll be enjoying great matchups this weekend like Lemieux v N'Dam and Porter v. Broner.
If you want to choose to focus your energy on who's ducking who instead, go for it.
I'd rather focus on who's actually fighting ;;-)
And after Lemieux-N'Dam fight if Lemieux wins we'll probably next be watching him make defences at home against opponents no better than Jarrod Fletcher or Sergio Mora when we should be looking forward to him next stepping up and facing Golovkin or Cotto but why would he when he's already considered a 'world champion,' There lies the problem - the context of too many fights is screwed. (Different for N'Dam if he won of course as he would be deemed to have not so much to lose.)
palooka wrote:If he lost could it be down to a combination of the 2 factors?
What factors??
Andre's skill and the added weight.
I can agree with skill but not with weight, GGG has shown already that he comes in on FN at 170 or above so weight will be no factor for him in a bout like this. It will come down to skills.
ikorolev wrote:
I am all for him taking on Ward if Roc Nation shows money.
And when he loses to Ward, will you give Andre the credit for beating him or will you make the "weight was the problem" excuse??
I will definitely give Ward the credit if he wins legally.
As opposed to what? Home invading Golovkin and beating him with a pipe?
I get that you think Golovkin is the Messiah and that you don't like Ward, but it's disingenuous to imply that Ward has been cheating his way to greatness. He's a frigging awesome fighter. Not as entertaining as someone like GGG, clearly. But it's not like Ward's corner's been poisoning guys, he just outboxes them.
I meant Ward's excessive clinching/holding which is illegal. If will resort to that tactics even against the much smaller fighter and hang on Golovkin 2 minutes of each round, I will not give him credit even if he wins.
ikorolev wrote:I meant Ward's excessive clinching/holding which is illegal. If will resort to that tactics even against the much smaller fighter and hang on Golovkin 2 minutes of each round, I will not give him credit even if he wins.
We haven't seen the same guy fight, I reckon.
I mean, I get that Ward is sometimes a bit dirty, it would be absurd to deny that. But your characterization is just as absurd, in my view.
KBB wrote:
I can agree with skill but not with weight, GGG has shown already that he comes in on FN at 170 or above so weight will be no factor for him in a bout like this. It will come down to skills.
Ward is a lot bigger than GGG. Of course weight would be a factor, that's why we have weight classes.
It's our fault as fans. We vote with our dollars so we are enablers. I say stop paying for their cherry picking and watch a live streaming link online instead. If it's a matchup we really want and demand THEN pay for it. Otherwise bend over
ikorolev wrote:I meant Ward's excessive clinching/holding which is illegal. If will resort to that tactics even against the much smaller fighter and hang on Golovkin 2 minutes of each round, I will not give him credit even if he wins.
We haven't seen the same guy fight, I reckon.
I mean, I get that Ward is sometimes a bit dirty, it would be absurd to deny that. But your characterization is just as absurd, in my view.
Broner is doing it right now. Ward will likely clinch more with Golovkin that he does normally (which is excessive too), because Golovkins cuts the ring really well.
ikorolev wrote:I meant Ward's excessive clinching/holding which is illegal. If will resort to that tactics even against the much smaller fighter and hang on Golovkin 2 minutes of each round, I will not give him credit even if he wins.
We haven't seen the same guy fight, I reckon.
I mean, I get that Ward is sometimes a bit dirty, it would be absurd to deny that. But your characterization is just as absurd, in my view.
Broner is doing it right now. Ward will likely clinch more with Golovkin that he does normally (which is excessive too), because Golovkins cuts the ring really well.
I agree, in a hypothetical future, Ward really clinches too much, good point.
Pride?
Sammy Vasquez:
-19-0 15 KOs against solid opponents. Not cab drivers
-2 Army tours in Iraq and Afghanistan
-father of 3 little kids
-an old school devastating body puncher
If there is anyone even close to this kid tell me whose got more pride? I'll be there biggest fan.
Back in the day, boxers earned their fan bases in the ring. Present day boxers earn theirs outside the ring. Promoters have perfected the art of puffing that will allow a boxer like Wilder to fight 32 bums in a row to get a title shot or how about guys like Lomenchenko getting two title shots in his first 3 professional fights? If that's not a clear indication of the power of the promoter in this day and age, i don't know what it is. Back in the day, excellent fighters were going their whole career without a title shot. Now, it's part of the contract a boxer signs with his promoter. Lomenchenko's contact with Top Rank had a clause in it that he would fight for the title right off the bat and somehow Arum got it done. It's really pathetic and another reason why boxing needs federal regulations and big brother to step in.
I don't see anything wrong with Lomachenko scenario. If a prospect is clearly superior than other contenders, why does he need to wait for years to get a title shot ? Wilder scenario is in fact a shame.
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