Clinching and weak refs

[Pureist]

been through all of that already kbb, there is a whole thread on that topic, i dont hate floyd as ive already stated, according to you anyone who critisizes him is an automatic hater, im just more sensible and mature than you, as ive also stated you need to access things without bias, floyd was holding excessively against maidana, broner was holding excessively against porter, exact same foul

[danamba7]

Guys like Ndam deserve maximum respect. 4 times he got knocked down against Lemieux but he didn't clinch, he didn't hold, the guy constantly tried to fight back.

You gotta take your hat off to a guy like that.

Agree. Showed great heart and put on a show.

[KBB]

been through all of that already kbb, there is a whole thread on that topic, i dont hate floyd as ive already stated, according to you anyone who critisizes him is an automatic hater, im just more sensible and mature than you, as ive also stated you need to access things without bias, floyd was holding excessively against maidana, broner was holding excessively against porter, exact same foul

Sure you think you are more mature and sensible than me but in my extensive experience anyone who has to tell you such things usually isn't. I don't think anyone who criticizes Floyd is automatically a Hater but I do see right through your garbage and can tell that you are not SENSIBLE enough to admit that Maidana should've been penalized and DQ'd but because of your hate for Floyd you are not even MATURE enough to admit that so instead you focus more on clinching than on the obvious and illegal infractions of the rules.

Here's a little tip for you Mr. Pureist, the next time you think you are so superior to someone you know nothing about next time just remain quiet about it, everything doesn't require you to open your big mouth with a response.

[NateJR]

I've never seen Floyd hold a 1/4 amount of the times Broner held against Porter. Floyd does hold, especially early in fights, but that was Broners go to tactic for the full 12 rounds because he succumbed to Porters pressure and he doesn't know when to turn on and off. I understand why some people don't like holding, but other than the Hatton fight Floyd hasn't excessively held and even that was minor compared to what Broner did Saturday night. So those talking about double standards, when it comes to Floyd and Broner, just stop already, Floyd has "NEVER" held to that extent in any of his fight. lol

[KBB]

I've never seen Floyd hold a 1/4 amount of the times Broner held against Porter. Floyd does hold, especially early in fights, but that was Broners go to tactic for the full 12 rounds because he succumbed to Porters pressure and he doesn't know when to turn on and off. I understand why some people don't like holding, but other than the Hatton fight Floyd hasn't excessively held and even that was minor compared to what Broner did Saturday night. So those talking about double standards, when it comes to Floyd and Broner, just stop already, Floyd has "NEVER" held to that extent in any of his fight. lol

Exactly!!

They act as if Floyd never produced any offense, go back and watch the fight if you believe that but look at it without dirty glasses (hate for the man) and see how much offense Mayweather put out in both fights, Broner didn't do a quarter of that offense Floyd did.

Broner's only tactic was hold, he doesn't know how to fight on the inside at all, nor does he know how to fight on the ropes, we have seen Floyd do both, the Hatton fight he fought on the inside, he mixed it up with Maidana on the inside in the first fight, his entire fight vs Cotto was mostly on the inside, same with Jesus Chavez.

Broner is nowhere in the league that Floyd is in but instead of poking holes or looking for the needle in the haystack, go and watch the difference in how they fight when they have pressure fighters and then get back to me.

[Ricky_]

I've never seen Floyd hold a 1/4 amount of the times Broner held against Porter. Floyd does hold, especially early in fights, but that was Broners go to tactic for the full 12 rounds because he succumbed to Porters pressure and he doesn't know when to turn on and off. I understand why some people don't like holding, but other than the Hatton fight Floyd hasn't excessively held and even that was minor compared to what Broner did Saturday night. So those talking about double standards, when it comes to Floyd and Broner, just stop already, Floyd has "NEVER" held to that extent in any of his fight. lol

Exactly!!

They act as if Floyd never produced any offense, go back and watch the fight if you believe that but look at it without dirty glasses (hate for the man) and see how much offense Mayweather put out in both fights, Broner didn't do a quarter of that offense Floyd did.

Broner's only tactic was hold, he doesn't know how to fight on the inside at all, nor does he know how to fight on the ropes, we have seen Floyd do both, the Hatton fight he fought on the inside, he mixed it up with Maidana on the inside in the first fight, his entire fight vs Cotto was mostly on the inside, same with Jesus Chavez.

Broner is nowhere in the league that Floyd is in but instead of poking holes or looking for the needle in the haystack, go and watch the difference in how they fight when they have pressure fighters and then get back to me.

At least Broner scored a knockdown. That's more offense than Floyd's produced for about a decade

[Dancin' Dan]

Get on your youtube gents and watch turn of the century fights till now. There has a been a lot of clinching throughout boxing history. Old fights went straight to it often. The key is whether they are working from it. Floyd and Wlad both throw check hooks out of it. And, are certainly hitting you on the way in. Ricky Hatton's entire game was clinching and hitting. He was hurt by refs who wouldn't let him clinch in big fights later. I am for it if the fighters work off of it. That was the difference between Sugar Ray and Tommy Hearns, early in their career. Sugar knew when to clinch and hit. Tommy didn't. But, did he ever learn.

Broner deserves criticism for the fight for not throwing really anything on the way in, pulling Porter in at times. No work from the clinch. REally a poor performance. Should have been DQ at some point. That wasn't clinching that was just holding. Then he drops Porter late to show he has talent but is just wasting it. Yes, and with the exception of Sugar Ray the announcing was pretty bad. Guess everyone expected more from Broner. Broner's people would not have taken that fight if they thought he couldn't win it. They don't dodge tough opponents - everyone has to be scratching their proverbial heads after a non-performance like that.

[NateJR]

Get on your youtube gents and watch turn of the century fights till now. There has a been a lot of clinching throughout boxing history. Old fights went straight to it often. The key is whether they are working from it. Floyd and Wlad both throw check hooks out of it. And, are certainly hitting you on the way in. Ricky Hatton's entire game was clinching and hitting. He was hurt by refs who wouldn't let him clinch in big fights later. I am for it if the fighters work off of it. That was the difference between Sugar Ray and Tommy Hearns, early in their career. Sugar knew when to clinch and hit. Tommy didn't. But, did he ever learn.

Broner deserves criticism for the fight for not throwing really anything on the way in, pulling Porter in at times. No work from the clinch. REally a poor performance. Should have been DQ at some point. That wasn't clinching that was just holding. Then he drops Porter late to show he has talent but is just wasting it. Yes, and with the exception of Sugar Ray the announcing was pretty bad. Guess everyone expected more from Broner. Broner's people would not have taken that fight if they thought he couldn't win it. They don't dodge tough opponents - everyone has to be scratching their proverbial heads after a non-performance like that.

That argument doesn't work on these forums.. There isn't enough knowledge on these forums pre-2005 too have a intelligent debate about past fighters compared to current fighters. According to most the people on this forum, no great fighters from the past ever clinched, ducked a fight or took a step backwards. They all fought for the fame and fans and not for the money, there wasn't a A-side in negotiations, all the best fights happened at the ideal time.. Refs didn't allowing clinching, yadda, yadda, yadda..That's the delusional view 90% of the people on this forum have when it comes to past greats or boxing in general 20+ years ago.

You're 100% right though, Broner actually deserves the criticism he get for all the holding... Maybe one of the worst cases of holding with out doing anything else I've ever witnessed.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Get on your youtube gents and watch turn of the century fights till now. There has a been a lot of clinching throughout boxing history. Old fights went straight to it often. The key is whether they are working from it. Floyd and Wlad both throw check hooks out of it. And, are certainly hitting you on the way in. Ricky Hatton's entire game was clinching and hitting. He was hurt by refs who wouldn't let him clinch in big fights later. I am for it if the fighters work off of it. That was the difference between Sugar Ray and Tommy Hearns, early in their career. Sugar knew when to clinch and hit. Tommy didn't. But, did he ever learn.

Broner deserves criticism for the fight for not throwing really anything on the way in, pulling Porter in at times. No work from the clinch. REally a poor performance. Should have been DQ at some point. That wasn't clinching that was just holding. Then he drops Porter late to show he has talent but is just wasting it. Yes, and with the exception of Sugar Ray the announcing was pretty bad. Guess everyone expected more from Broner. Broner's people would not have taken that fight if they thought he couldn't win it. They don't dodge tough opponents - everyone has to be scratching their proverbial heads after a non-performance like that.

That argument doesn't work on these forums.. There isn't enough knowledge on these forums pre-2005 too have a intelligent debate about past fighters compared to current fighters. According to most the people on this forum, no great fighters from the past ever clinched, ducked a fight or took a step backwards. They all fought for the fame and fans and not for the money, there wasn't a A-side in negotiations, all the best fights happened at the ideal time.. Refs didn't allowing clinching, yadda, yadda, yadda..That's the delusional view 90% of the people on this forum have when it comes to past greats or boxing in general 20+ years ago.

You're 100% right though, Broner actually deserves the criticism he get for all the holding... Maybe one of the worst cases of holding with out doing anything else I've ever witnessed.

The thing is, clinching and wrestling have always been a part of the game - so long as fighters work from the clinch, a referee should not break the action, same goes for wrestling for position - Hell Ali was one of the biggest clinchers/wrestlers in the history of the game, and used it to great effect to nullify his opponent's work and tire them out.

I suspect that Broner figures he's earnt good money, and just doesn't give a shit - I wouldn't be surprised if he retired within a couple of years, unless he seriously changes his mentality, he has no real future at top level - especially not at 147, he is not big or strong enough to be anything but a peripheral belt holder who won his title from a soft touch.

[Pureist]

http://www.wbanews.com/officialarticles ... Yh1Cfmqqko hav a read of number 3 under fouls, straight from the WBA refs handbook, that also covers floyd being hit by maidana while holding and why weeks didnt stop him hitting just for you badhusker

[KBB]

At least Broner scored a knockdown. That's more offense than Floyd's produced for about a decade

Wow, that's such a big deal. As wide the punches Porter throws I'm surprised he didn't get knocked out, he leaves himself open for days.

You Packy fans look for anything to ridicule Floyd, it's really sad. Your boy lost and you have nothing but hate. I wonder how you live with yourself or why you haven't committed suicide.

[Pureist]

How's this sound kbb, I will go to work again and count how many times Floyd tried to tie up maidana in the first 5 rounds of their first fight, but give me your approximate guess first

[Bobbyptsd]

How's this sound kbb, I will go to work again and count how many times Floyd tried to tie up maidana in the first 5 rounds of their first fight, but give me your approximate guess first

I'll wade in if it's all the same, and say 20.

That's purely a (somewhat) educated guess, I only ever watched it when it originally aired.

[Pureist]

Cool, let's get bets

[Bobbyptsd]

If it's under 10, I'll proclaim Brut the best member on the forum now and forever.

If it's over 50, I'll watch Mayweather-Pacquiao in slow motion and have an extended discussion about my findings regarding punch stats.

[KBB]

How's this sound kbb, I will go to work again and count how many times Floyd tried to tie up maidana in the first 5 rounds of their first fight, but give me your approximate guess first

You'd probably be happier counting Manny's pubic hairs.

[Pureist]

What's your guess kbb

[Pureist]

How's this sound kbb, I will go to work again and count how many times Floyd tried to tie up maidana in the first 5 rounds of their first fight, but give me your approximate guess first

You'd probably be happier counting Manny's pubic hairs.

I'm sure you could tell us how many Floyd has

[KBB]

I'm sure you could tell us how many Floyd has

I'm sure you can't tell us how many Packy has because you swallowed them Fake Trainer.

[MachoTime]

What's your guess Brut

fixed

[Pureist]

What's fixed, not really hard to count clinches off a video tape, that won't take long, kbb doesn't sound enthusiastic about hazarding a guess

[NateJR]

What's fixed, not really hard to count clinches off a video tape, that won't take long, kbb doesn't sound enthusiastic about hazarding a guess

I bet you could count more excuses pacquiao had after Floyd humiliated him.. lol

[Pureist]

Small minded people like yourself can't comprehend how a person can be neutral. What's your guess or will you just keep quiet like kbb

[Pureist]

well i see only bobby had a crack and good on him, the clinch count for the first 5 rounds of floyd and maidana 1 goes as follows, round 1 10 clinches----- round 2, 4 clinches----- round 3, 10 clinches----- round 4, 7 clinches, ------ round 5, 5 clinches---------- in total 36 clinches, 3 of those were instigated by maidana, all 36 counted were broken by the referee, there was 15 others where maidana kept punching and floyd had to let go, 36 clinches in 5 rounds equates to being broken every 25 seconds on average, if that isnt interfering with the flow of the fight, i dont know what does

[KBB]

well i see only bobby had a crack and good on him, the clinch count for the first 5 rounds of floyd and maidana 1 goes as follows, round 1 10 clinches----- round 2, 4 clinches----- round 3, 10 clinches----- round 4, 7 clinches, ------ round 5, 5 clinches---------- in total 36 clinches, 3 of those were instigated by maidana, all 36 counted were broken by the referee, there was 15 others where maidana kept punching and floyd had to let go, 36 clinches in 5 rounds equates to being broken every 25 seconds on average, if that isnt interfering with the flow of the fight, i dont know what does

Only an idiot cares to count clinches and punches. Notice you only do this on Floyd fights, which proves how much of a sore loser and hater you are.

I've never seen a person who claims to be this "trainer" so obsessed with one man, must be one of those "I love Floyd so much obsessions" that I will count how many times he goes to the bathroom next.