crow wrote:Bradley got hurt not because of Vargas' power, but because he turned into the punch.
And even then, he was out only for 2 sec, then went on his bicycle and held.
No way Vargas gets a stoppage.
And a knockdown on the scorecards wouldn't have affected the result anyway.
But isn't it funny that when Pat makes his huge blunder, Tim stands there asking WTF was that ?
Out of the 3 men in the ring, Tim was the one in laland but still had a better grasp of the situation than the other 2 .
:)
Yeah, at the time if the refs blunder Bradley had already backtracked then got in a clinch.
I think Vargas has grounds for a rematch or maybe even a NC if he argues hard enough as he was without question denied a chance to find a stoppage, chances of him getting it, imo, were zero, TB has got through much much worse with longer on the clock. Nevertheless... Vargas was still entitled to time that was unfairly taken from him.
People were talking about Chavez Jr getting rematch with Martinez because of the KD in the last round despite Jr being toyed with for 11 round so talks of a rematch here don't surprise me,I hope there isn't though
That right hand that Vargas landed does deserve props though,its the first time that Jessie has excited me ever
kidbazooka1 wrote:Bradley was definitely out on his feet.
Words mean things. "Out on his feet" means that he is knocked out, but is still upright because his skeletal system and/or the ropes are still supporting him. Bradley was 100% conscious. He was still dancing, still blocking shots, still grappling. That is not a boxer who is out on his feet. Jose Luis Castillo was out on his feet in Corrales - Castillo 1 when the referee stopped it. Bradley still had the presence of mind to see that Russell and Vargas were acting like idiots when Russell stopped the round.
Don't see how this needs a rematch, seriously. Vargas complains about the last 10 seconds? Boy, what did you do in the 35 minutes & 50 seconds earlier?
I doubt we will see TB-Vargas again. No need. But this "controversy" will get Vargas another big fight at 147 where we can see him get the crap beaten out of him again by Thurman or Maidana or Khan or something.
kidbazooka1 wrote:Bradley was definitely out on his feet.
Words mean things. "Out on his feet" means that he is knocked out, but is still upright because his skeletal system and/or the ropes are still supporting him. Bradley was 100% conscious. He was still dancing, still blocking shots, still grappling. That is not a boxer who is out on his feet. Jose Luis Castillo was out on his feet in Corrales - Castillo 1 when the referee stopped it. Bradley still had the presence of mind to see that Russell and Vargas were acting like idiots when Russell stopped the round.
You said "Out on his feet" means that he is knocked out, but is still upright (Correct)
You said because his skeletal system and/or the ropes are still supporting him. (Incorrect)
Your talking about two different circumstances on where the punch was landed. Castillo had his back against the ropes or was knocked backwards against the ropes. The force of the blow landed by Vargas happened with 22 seconds left in the round. The force of the blow knocked Bradley sideways or backwards to the other side of the ring. So for about 8 seconds Bradley did nothing but wobble on Spaghetti legs.
kidbazooka1 wrote:Bradley was definitely out on his feet.
Words mean things. "Out on his feet" means that he is knocked out, but is still upright because his skeletal system and/or the ropes are still supporting him. Bradley was 100% conscious. He was still dancing, still blocking shots, still grappling. That is not a boxer who is out on his feet. Jose Luis Castillo was out on his feet in Corrales - Castillo 1 when the referee stopped it. Bradley still had the presence of mind to see that Russell and Vargas were acting like idiots when Russell stopped the round.
You said "Out on his feet" means that he is knocked out, but is still upright (Correct)
You said because his skeletal system and/or the ropes are still supporting him. (Incorrect)
Your talking about two different circumstances on where the punch was landed. Castillo had his back against the ropes or was knocked backwards against the ropes. The force of the blow landed by Vargas happened with 22 seconds left in the round. The force of the blow knocked Bradley sideways or backwards to the other side of the ring. So for about 8 seconds Bradley did nothing but wobble on Spaghetti legs.
It's the same thing. Out on his feet..
He wasn't "doing nothing", he ran and then he clinched up. Surviving while hurt is an artform in itself. Mayweather was hurt much worse vs Sugar Shane yet had the wits about him enough to do what Bradley was doing.... tie up.
He wasn't "doing nothing", he ran and then he clinched up. Surviving while hurt is an artform in itself. Mayweather was hurt much worse vs Sugar Shane yet had the wits about him enough to do what Bradley was doing.... tie up
Strange. Im sitting here watching the replay. Dude I'm talking about when the punch landed at the 22 second mark it took about eight to ten seconds for Bradley to respond. Luckily for Bradley he had plenty of ring room to wobble to the other side of the ring. Were talking about "Out On His Feet".. He didn't run he was wobbled. Andre Ward even said so what more do you need..
im not really a fan of either guy, but i really dont want to see a rematch. vargas got schooled fairly easily the majority of the fight. he needs to shut his big mouth. and bradley got hurt by vargas, then he needs to shut his big mouth about fighting golovkin, he'll only embarrass himself. but yeah, no rematch please
Very good performance by Bradley against a talented fighter who had a significant height and reach advantage. Vargas lacks power and that showed throughout the fight until the last 20 seconds. As for the ref, yep a mistake that Pat has made before. I wonder if having small red led lights on top of each turn buckle is a better way to to mark ten seconds other than striking the mat....just a suggestion. Im not sure we need any sort of ten second warning, the corners should know how long to go and if need be advise their guy to step up.
amwsnw wrote:Very good performance by Bradley against a talented fighter who had a significant height and reach advantage. Vargas lacks power and that showed throughout the fight until the last 20 seconds. As for the ref, yep a mistake that Pat has made before. I wonder if having small red led lights on top of each turn buckle is a better way to to mark ten seconds other than striking the mat....just a suggestion. Im not sure we need any sort of ten second warning, the corners should know how long to go and if need be advise their guy to step up.
I think the idea of having a red light on the turn buckle is a great idea.....at the end of the round. They don't need to know the 10 second mark. It has been there for years, but is not needed.
As far as the end of the fight, Bradley is smart enough to hug Vargas or take a knee to win easy. He wasn't totally out on his feet, but was definitely rocked big time.
