Best punch of each of the following fighters:

DoubleM · Post by **DoubleM** » 16 Jan 2006, 20:23

These fighters all had a pretty complete arsenal of punches at their disposal - but which was their best shot? Not necessarily the most powerful, but the most useful.

Joe Louis - Straight right

Roberto Duran - Straight right

Henry Armstrong - Left hook

Mike Tyson - Left hook

Salvador Sanchez - Jab

Sonny Liston - Jab

Archie Moore - Straight right

Alexis Arguello - Straight right

Ray Robinson - Left hook

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 16 Jan 2006, 20:34

Sonny Liston - Jab

idk his left hook was incredible. rocky marciano called it the "best look I ever seen" i mean liston really flattened people with his left hook. i would say his left hook and jab are equal.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 16 Jan 2006, 20:35

Mike Tyson - Left hook

i think tysons straight right was better than his devastating left hook

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 16 Jan 2006, 20:41

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:

Mike Tyson - Left hook

i think tysons straight right was better than his devastating left hook

He also had an unbelievable right uppercut

DoubleM · Post by **DoubleM** » 16 Jan 2006, 21:53

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:

Mike Tyson - Left hook

i think tysons straight right was better than his devastating left hook

I don't think so, not in his prime. In his later years Tyson started to work the right cross a lot more, and the hook a lot less - Golota, Holyfield, Botha, etc...

In his earlier career, most of Tyson's knockouts were coming from the left hook. Richardson, Gross, Tubbs, Thomas, Williams, Spain, Colay, Berbick, Stewart, and many more. The right hand was good too, and responsible for another big bunch of knockouts... But not so much so as the left hook. The hook was also more useful on the inside.

As for Liston, his hook may have been his most powerful punch, but he didn't control a fight with it. Everything rolled off his thunderous jab.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 16 Jan 2006, 21:55

Decagon wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
idk his left hook was incredible. rocky marciano called it the "best look I ever seen" i mean liston really flattened people with his left hook. i would say his left hook and jab are equal.
Of course it was the best left hook Rocky Marciano had ever seen. All he fought was a bunch of old light heavyweights.

this is coming from the man who rates jersey joe walcott 19th greatest light-H even though walcott never fought at light-H.

ur just a very ignorant poster who hates marciano and is looking for trouble.

DoubleM · Post by **DoubleM** » 16 Jan 2006, 21:57

I don't take the guy too seriously either. He thought Hagler's prime came in 1986

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 16 Jan 2006, 22:01

DoubleM wrote:I don't take the guy too seriously either. He thought Hagler's prime came in 1986

that clearly means hes one of those guys thats seen two fights of hagler........

vs mugabi and leonard

DoubleM · Post by **DoubleM** » 16 Jan 2006, 22:03

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
DoubleM wrote:I don't take the guy too seriously either. He thought Hagler's prime came in 1986

that clearly means hes one of those guys thats seen two fights of hagler........

vs mugabi and leonard

Yup. He's said plenty of other stupid stuff too, but reading through his posts isn't worth my time.

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 16 Jan 2006, 22:15

DoubleM wrote:These fighters all had a pretty complete arsenal of punches at their disposal - but which was their best shot? Not necessarily the most powerful, but the most useful.

Joe Louis - Straight right

Roberto Duran - Straight right

Henry Armstrong - Left hook

Mike Tyson - Left hook

Salvador Sanchez - Jab

Sonny Liston - Jab

Archie Moore - Straight right

Alexis Arguello - Straight right

Ray Robinson - Left hook

That's pretty accurrate. You could argue that Louis's jab was as important as his straight right because it often kept his opponent at bay and sometimes set up his right.

MaxPow · Post by **MaxPow** » 16 Jan 2006, 23:53

DoubleM wrote:I don't take the guy too seriously either. He thought Hagler's prime came in 1986

When was it in your opinion DoubleM, say 1982-83? Possibly earlier?

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 17 Jan 2006, 00:11

i say its the night he took apart middleweight champion alan minter in 1980, hagler was a dangerous man that night nothing was going to stop him. he wasnt going to let the judges decide the outcome like the vito robbery.

MaxPow · Post by **MaxPow** » 17 Jan 2006, 00:33

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:i say its the night he took apart middleweight champion alan minter in 1980, hagler was a dangerous man that night nothing was going to stop him. he wasnt going to let the judges decide the outcome like the vito robbery.

He might have been just a little pissed off about the Antuofermo fight. Seeing as he just morphed into a monster since then. While it was screwed, it was one of those things that turn out for better in the end

MaxPow · Post by **MaxPow** » 17 Jan 2006, 01:12

Decagon wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:i say its the night he took apart middleweight champion alan minter in 1980, hagler was a dangerous man that night nothing was going to stop him. he wasnt going to let the judges decide the outcome like the vito robbery.
Minter was holding his own until the cuts stoppage. It was kind of a sucky way for someone to win a title.

Minter was a game and worthy adversary who came in with a fearless strategy. Hagler on the other hand, not only did he land much harder shots; he looked like no one could have hurt him. Marvelous wasn't there to fight, he was there to destroy. Hagler destroyed Minter

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 17 Jan 2006, 06:39

Id say Tysons uppercut after a hook to the body (either hand) was most devistating!

DoubleM · Post by **DoubleM** » 17 Jan 2006, 13:10

Decagon wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:i say its the night he took apart middleweight champion alan minter in 1980, hagler was a dangerous man that night nothing was going to stop him. he wasnt going to let the judges decide the outcome like the vito robbery.
Minter was holding his own until the cuts stoppage. It was kind of a sucky way for someone to win a title.

Are you kidding me?

Minter was thoroughly outclassed and outfought. Watch the fight in slow motion and see who lands the most punches, and who lands the hardest. It's Hagler by big margin.

Minter got all excited when he thought he hurt Hagler with a right hook to the chest... He came forward on the offense, but Hagler countered him with five punches, and moments later wobbled him with a left-right.

The cuts were the least of Minter's problems. Have you even seen the fight? Minter had his nose broken, and two big right hooks made him turn away in pain and humiliation. He was being pummeled.

Think before you speak; don't talk about something you have very little knowledge of.

Steve M · Post by **Steve M** » 17 Jan 2006, 13:36

It was pretty obvious the blood in his eyes was badly bothering Minter in the third round.

That was the main reason it became quickly one sided.He couldn't see the shots coming anymore.

Hagler was still clearly the better man, though.

DoubleM · Post by **DoubleM** » 17 Jan 2006, 13:37

Steve M wrote:It was pretty obvious the blood in his eyes was badly bothering Minter in the third round.

That was the main reason it became quickly one sided.He couldn't see the shots coming anymore.

Ever since the first round Hagler was dominating him. I suggest you go and watch the fight again. Hagler bounces in and out and picks Minter apart with jabs and hooks from the start, while taking almost nothing in return. The blood was bothering Minter in the third round, but not in the first two.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 17 Jan 2006, 13:54

Walcott was the furthest extension of this idea I came up with. He debuted at 165 and often fought within ten pounds of the light heavyweight limit. Most of his biggest fights were against other men who usually fought at light heavyweight, like Billy Ketchell, Jimmy Bivins, Tiger Jack Fox, Joey Maxim and Ezzard Charles. Most current light heavyweights enter the ring at 185, you know. It was just an idea that I've been playing around with. I'll probably drop Walcott, but I'm still refining the idea.

that is the most ridiculous thing i ever heard of.

also, walcott fought 20lb over the light-H limit.

walcott weighed 197lb vs bivins, and 195lb vs charles and maxim. THATS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE LIGHT-h LIMIT.

walcott fought foxx and ketchell far before his prime

Borinken25 · Post by **Borinken25** » 17 Jan 2006, 16:12

Hearns straight right
Trinidad left hook
Shavers any punch
Gomez left hook

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 18 Jan 2006, 10:02

The left hook Duran almost dropped leonard with was a fantastic punch.

DoubleM · Post by **DoubleM** » 18 Jan 2006, 17:39

Ezzard wrote:The left hook Duran almost dropped leonard with was a fantastic punch.

The one that knocked him into the ropes? Leonard did well to stand up to that.

Duran had a good left hook, but his right hand was the one to watch out for. He had a pretty good jab too, and the inside uppercut was painful. Duran's bodyshots were what won him the fight in Montreal.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 18 Jan 2006, 18:23

DoubleM wrote:
Ezzard wrote:The left hook Duran almost dropped leonard with was a fantastic punch.
The one that knocked him into the ropes? Leonard did well to stand up to that.

Duran had a good left hook, but his right hand was the one to watch out for. He had a pretty good jab too, and the inside uppercut was painful. Duran's bodyshots were what won him the fight in Montreal.

They were a big part of it but so was his defence. It is amazing to see someone as talented as Ray miss so many punches when his opponent is standing inches away from him. I also think that Duran's ability to close the distance between them so quickly totally disrupted Leonard.

DoubleM · Post by **DoubleM** » 18 Jan 2006, 18:32

Ezzard wrote:
DoubleM wrote:
Ezzard wrote:The left hook Duran almost dropped leonard with was a fantastic punch.
The one that knocked him into the ropes? Leonard did well to stand up to that.

Duran had a good left hook, but his right hand was the one to watch out for. He had a pretty good jab too, and the inside uppercut was painful. Duran's bodyshots were what won him the fight in Montreal.
They were a big part of it but so was his defence. It is amazing to see someone as talented as Ray miss so many punches when his opponent is standing inches away from him. I also think that Duran's ability to close the distance between them so quickly totally disrupted Leonard.

I agree. Duran was a complete offensive machine. Some people tell me he was one of the best defensive fighters of all time... I say 'no'. Duran wasn't a defensive fighter, but an offensive fighter with an excellent defense.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 19 Jan 2006, 05:40

DoubleM wrote:
Ezzard wrote:
DoubleM wrote: The one that knocked him into the ropes? Leonard did well to stand up to that.

Duran had a good left hook, but his right hand was the one to watch out for. He had a pretty good jab too, and the inside uppercut was painful. Duran's bodyshots were what won him the fight in Montreal.
They were a big part of it but so was his defence. It is amazing to see someone as talented as Ray miss so many punches when his opponent is standing inches away from him. I also think that Duran's ability to close the distance between them so quickly totally disrupted Leonard.
I agree. Duran was a complete offensive machine. Some people tell me he was one of the best defensive fighters of all time... I say 'no'. Duran wasn't a defensive fighter, but an offensive fighter with an excellent defense.

It's a good summation of his powers. Can you think of another fighter so dedicated to offense who had such a good defence? A lot of offensive fighters rely on making themsleves difficult to hit cleanly and block a lot of shots. Duran could do this but he would also slip so many punches too.

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