Was Andre Berto a better prospect than Broner in his past?

psychod1986 · Post by **psychod1986** » 03 Jul 2015, 20:17

Berto won five Wbc Title defensives & a 2 time Nabf Champion an a one time Ibf Champion.Against a little better competition than Broner did.Berto beated decent fighters like Steve Forbes,Luis Collazo,Juan Urango,Carlos Quintana,& a fight of the year with Victor Ortiz.All thoughs guys Broner beat at super feather weight where bums,the only fighters he beat was Ponce De Leon,Antonio Demarco,& John Molina,he also struggled with Paulie Malignaggi & Emmanuel Taylor.At Least Berto beaten someone & also holds Wba Interim Title.

Evander · Post by **Evander** » 03 Jul 2015, 20:27

Berto is alright, he can box and can kick it off as well.
Decent hand speed and although he's not up there with the best is an entertaining boxer with respect and still has enough of a name that carries a bit of weight.
Ok guy too.

Broner like he says himself has enough money and everyone still wants his autograph and picture because he's just so cool and we all admire him so much

, shame he's now considered an opponent due to his dedication and his personality wont help him whatsoever.
Can't say he wasn't warned.
I'd offer some advice to Broner but he knows it all so on his head be it.

Evander · Post by **Evander** » 03 Jul 2015, 20:40

Should have put this in before.
it wasn't that long ago where the fans had love for many African American boxers, Roy, Evander, Leonard, Hagler, Hearns and on and on I could name loads of them.
They can't stand Broner, many dislike Floyd but at least respect Floyd for his skill and mellowing out.
Floyd got it and is smart, Broner is a schoolboy, a capable schoolboy but an ego so big he couldn't even control it.
It's not all over for Broner, but losing to Shawn is a turning point not because Porter isn't a good fighter because Shawn is.
It's because Broner was so arrogant he thought he could turn it around against a guy who did what we all knew he would do, yet Broner thought different and was wrong and couldn't alter his plan.
Broner needs to smarten up and real quick, get professional and take it seriously or it's all downhill from here for that young man.

psychod1986 · Post by **psychod1986** » 03 Jul 2015, 21:11

Broner doesn't take the sport of boxing serious enough to accomplish what he wants in the sport an to be on top in the the boxing game.All he wants to do is drink & party an mess with strippers,instead of staying in gym & training,staying in shape.Unlike Berto he isn't one of the top welterweights in the world,but always willing fight & prove himself,trying his best to win every match that is put in front of him,came of two bad losses to Karass & Robert Guerrero,But won two fights straight against Upshaw & Josesito Lopez,Also winning the Interim title.If Berto works hard enough he also can be on top again.

Badhusker · Post by **Badhusker** » 03 Jul 2015, 22:26

Both had good amateur careers, and I would say are probably equal as far as expectations coming in. Both are wannabe gangstas, imo. Both hit a wall in their professional careers as well. Broner more recently with a couple losses, and Berto too with losses and roids. Berto has the big * by his name, or should have, for getting caught with steroids in 2012. A couple losses since then, which to me was no surprise since he had to figure out how to re-dedicate himself to compete honestly. His last two fights he has looked good, and maybe he really is back? It seems that once boxers have to take random testing some take a couple of years to adjust to doing honest work. Its like they look almost shot, then start getting better again. I won't mention any other names that the shoe also fits.

Broner mainly needs to mature and get a no-nonsense trainer. Him coming in 3.5lbs overweight a couple of years ago was ridiculous. He just doesn't seem to get it. Boxing fans will forgive arrogance if you back it up. Broner hasn't lately.

Evander · Post by **Evander** » 03 Jul 2015, 22:39

Broner is right on the cusp.

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 03 Jul 2015, 23:10

Berto at least showed heart in his losses. Broner when faced with the fire constantly holds and fouls. Those saying "oh Broner needs to get a new trainer, he needs to get focused" blahblahblah. Broner is never going to be elite because he's a front-runner and can't take it when the rabbit has the gun. He also is always going to be fighting above his best weight class because he'll never have the discipline to get back down to lightweight, and at welter he's short and lacks knockout power.

Lackeos · Post by **Lackeos** » 04 Jul 2015, 02:16

Broner was definitely the better prospect. Adrian Broner had 6 world title wins at age 23. At a similar age, Andre Berto had 0 title wins, and his best opponent was Cosme Rivera. Also, Andre Berto didn't beat Luis Collazo. He lost to Collazo and was gifted a crooked decision. Even now, they nearly have the same amount of world title wins, but Berto is 33, and Broner is just 25.

caldo2025 · Post by **caldo2025** » 04 Jul 2015, 07:04

I will tell you what. If or once Broner figures this out, he will be twice the fighter Berto will ever be and a top 5 P4P guy. He needs to ditch the current trainer and he needs to hitch up with a Roach or a Jackson or heck, even Garcia if they would be willing to do it. His corner is full of yes men and what he needs is for someone to tell him how it is.

Just look at the Porter fight for instance. Broner just wasn't doing enough in that fight and not one of his guys piped up asking for heavier workload. Broner should have completely wiped Porter out and the minute he pushed the action, we saw what happened but it was too late. The same with the Maidana fight. Neither of these guys should have beaten Broner but the guy is green. He has way too much control over his corner at such an early age. Even Floyd didn't call the shots at 25 years old like Broner is doing.

I'm NOT a Broner fan. I enjoyed his losses to Maidana and Porter greatly but I can't deny when I see a special talent. Broner has it all, power, speed, footwork and chin. He needs the right staff to squeeze out the potential otherwise, he's just going to end up being another superior athlete that never reached his potential.

Counter-puncher · Post by **Counter-puncher** » 04 Jul 2015, 09:43

Broners footwork is awful

Crease · Post by **Crease** » 04 Jul 2015, 09:55

I would say that Berto has achieved more in the sport, he had a fairly lengthy WBC title reign... I realize and accept that Broner has won World Titles at three different weights...

But looking back, were his wins really all that impressive?

Counter-puncher · Post by **Counter-puncher** » 04 Jul 2015, 10:04

Badhusker wrote: It seems that once boxers have to take random testing some take a couple of years to adjust to doing honest work. Its like they look almost shot, then start getting better again

I won't mention any other names that the shoe also fits.

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Oh, go on. By pm if you want. I am hungover and I cant think of the obvious today

NateJR · Post by **NateJR** » 04 Jul 2015, 12:16

If you put both guys best attributes together, you have one hell of a fighter. Broner has all the skill, but doesn't have hunger or intelligence to take advantage of the clear advantages he has against most anyone he fights. Berto on the other hand is very limited skill wise, not a very good boxing brain, but he has a lot of heart. Now you take Broners skills and give him Bertos will to win, that would be one of a fighter.

But I think Broner was the better prospect and has more upside. Broner just needs to mature as a person, take his craft seriously and he'll be tough to beat. Where as Berto is what he is, he's not going to get no better he just just doesn't have the skills and will always be a limited boxer. I think that fight should actually happen and think it would be a cracking fight.

Tanzio · Post by **Tanzio** » 04 Jul 2015, 12:25

Broner v Berto makes sense.

Counter-puncher · Post by **Counter-puncher** » 04 Jul 2015, 15:50

Tanzio wrote:Broner v Berto makes sense.

If only to see the size of the collective brainfart that is emitted as two of the dumbest prominent boxers of the last decade face off.

Cent0089 · Post by **Cent0089** » 04 Jul 2015, 16:04

If Andre Berto didnt beat luis Collazo, then Broner DEFINITELY did not beat Ponce de Leon !

Tanzio · Post by **Tanzio** » 04 Jul 2015, 16:07

Counter-puncher wrote:
Tanzio wrote:Broner v Berto makes sense.
If only to see the size of the collective brainfart that is emitted as two of the dumbest prominent boxers of the last decade face off.

Both have decent name recognition. Broner v Berto makes a helluva lot more sense than FMJ v Berto.

I think that it would be an interesting fight.

sucracristo · Post by **sucracristo** » 05 Jul 2015, 00:46

Tanzio wrote:
Counter-puncher wrote:
Tanzio wrote:Broner v Berto makes sense.
If only to see the size of the collective brainfart that is emitted as two of the dumbest prominent boxers of the last decade face off.
Both have decent name recognition. Broner v Berto makes a helluva lot more sense than FMJ v Berto.

I think that it would be an interesting fight.

it would be an interesting matchup you wouldn't have to promote very hard and the
fight itself would also be entertaining

psychod1986 · Post by **psychod1986** » 05 Jul 2015, 10:39

Thats right that would be a great matchup Berto vs Broner,both are well known and both of them don't have any major flaws with there skill set.This matchup could be easily made because both fighters are advise by Al Haymon.Haymon don't want Broner having no more p*ssy fights,cuz he has not yet proven himself an haven't had a impressive win since lightweight,thats the main reason he put him in the ring with Shawn Porter,he wants Broner to step it up.

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