Collazo Exposes Thurman

[NateJR]

I don't know why everybody mentions Bradley who went life and death with Chaves and was hurt by Vargas. I think Provo permanently damaged him. Thurman would stop current Bradley.

I mention Bradley because he has boxing skills that he doesn't always use and allows his pride to take over. Lets be serious here, Bradley came out to prove a point against Provo, got caught early and got himself into a fire fight. That was Bradleys doing and he, himself made that fight harder than it had to be. In the Chavez fight, it was the same deal, he felt he was on a different level (which he is), came out over confident and got caught a few times.. Again not fighting to his full potential trying to please the ungrateful fans.. He was clearly out boxing Chavez relatively easily, all he had to do is stick and move and cruise in a fight he clearly had won (which is what his Corner told him to do), instead got careless trying to please the ungrateful fans and got hit with a big shot he had no business getting hit with.

The point is, Bradley has the tools.. He's just too proud sometimes and puts himself in harms way when he knows how to avoid it and has the skills to avoid it. I've said many times, Bradley is the smartest fighter I ever seen, fight like a dumb ass. I never understood why he allowed his pride in a fight to take over rather than using all of his tools to prevent from taking unnecessary punishment. I've seen enough from Bradley, post Provodnikov to know he still has the ability, but it's always been on Bradley on whether he wants to be proud or smart and it seems he always lets his pride take over.

[amwsnw]

Thurman wouldnt be embarrassed by any of the top guys but he isnt unbeatable. It was a great body shot by Collazo. If he landed that against any welterweight it wouldve had a similar effect. Good couple of fights by PBC and great to see it on ESPN. makes it easily accessible in Australia.

People, including myself, were ridiculing this matchup. It was not just that one body shot. Thurman looked soft. Collazo was walking him down, ffs.

This was expected to be a showcase of his talents. Thurman was the man hurt more often in the fight.

No way FMJ, Bradley, Brook, Porter, and (obviously) khan are that bothered by Collazo. Throw Danny, matthysse and Crawford on that list as well, and a host of others.

Thurman will have a line at his door now. Nobody fears him this morning. If he improves his game, that's a good thing.

hopefully thurman has that line. I'd love to see him against any of the top guys. Hopefully any of those guys you mention are in the line.

[ajwesty13]

I don't think this fight exposes Thurman to me, but it still keeps the same questions around. I saw him dropped on ESPN. I have seen him hurt or stung moderately in the Karass and Chaves fights. He tends to move too much. The likes of Collazo or Ghost shouldn't offer the firepower for Thurman not to sit on his punches more. It seems Thurman can be hurt both upstairs and down. His power isn't as great as advertised, no where near one time. It's not terrible either though.

I didn't buy into his hype that started around the Quintana fight. I think he's still a very solid fighter and growing. I'd say he's entering the B+ range currently. The fact he can be hurt makes his fights interesting. Shows a lot of heart getting out of trouble. Well spoken and articulate. Can keep his power around later in fights, as the Karass and Chaves fights showed. I'm not 100% sure if he's the man at 147 once Pac/May retire. I think he'll be a solid fighter and player in the division, just not sure if he's "that" guy.

good post, I think Khan would beat Thurman on points.

Agree with you both... I like Thurman he's a decent fighter possibly the same level as porter/bradley/ Alexander ..
Thurman comes across as knowledgeable, humble and a nice all round fella...

[crusader]

I don't think this fight exposes Thurman to me, but it still keeps the same questions around. I saw him dropped on ESPN. I have seen him hurt or stung moderately in the Karass and Chaves fights. He tends to move too much. The likes of Collazo or Ghost shouldn't offer the firepower for Thurman not to sit on his punches more. It seems Thurman can be hurt both upstairs and down. His power isn't as great as advertised, no where near one time. It's not terrible either though.

I didn't buy into his hype that started around the Quintana fight. I think he's still a very solid fighter and growing. I'd say he's entering the B+ range currently. The fact he can be hurt makes his fights interesting. Shows a lot of heart getting out of trouble. Well spoken and articulate. Can keep his power around later in fights, as the Karass and Chaves fights showed. I'm not 100% sure if he's the man at 147 once Pac/May retire. I think he'll be a solid fighter and player in the division, just not sure if he's "that" guy.

Many of my own sentiments

Good post

[handsofstone]

I don't think this fight exposes Thurman to me, but it still keeps the same questions around. I saw him dropped on ESPN. I have seen him hurt or stung moderately in the Karass and Chaves fights. He tends to move too much. The likes of Collazo or Ghost shouldn't offer the firepower for Thurman not to sit on his punches more. It seems Thurman can be hurt both upstairs and down. His power isn't as great as advertised, no where near one time. It's not terrible either though.

I didn't buy into his hype that started around the Quintana fight. I think he's still a very solid fighter and growing. I'd say he's entering the B+ range currently. The fact he can be hurt makes his fights interesting. Shows a lot of heart getting out of trouble. Well spoken and articulate. Can keep his power around later in fights, as the Karass and Chaves fights showed. I'm not 100% sure if he's the man at 147 once Pac/May retire. I think he'll be a solid fighter and player in the division, just not sure if he's "that" guy.

Many of my own sentiments

Good post

X2

[KBB]

I don't know why everybody mentions Bradley who went life and death with Chaves and was hurt by Vargas. I think Provo permanently damaged him. Thurman would stop current Bradley.

I mention Bradley because he has boxing skills that he doesn't always use and allows his pride to take over. Lets be serious here, Bradley came out to prove a point against Provo, got caught early and got himself into a fire fight. That was Bradleys doing and he, himself made that fight harder than it had to be. In the Chavez fight, it was the same deal, he felt he was on a different level (which he is), came out over confident and got caught a few times.. Again not fighting to his full potential trying to please the ungrateful fans.. He was clearly out boxing Chavez relatively easily, all he had to do is stick and move and cruise in a fight he clearly had won (which is what his Corner told him to do), instead got careless trying to please the ungrateful fans and got hit with a big shot he had no business getting hit with.

The point is, Bradley has the tools.. He's just too proud sometimes and puts himself in harms way when he knows how to avoid it and has the skills to avoid it. I've said many times, Bradley is the smartest fighter I ever seen, fight like a dumb ass. I never understood why he allowed his pride in a fight to take over rather than using all of his tools to prevent from taking unnecessary punishment. I've seen enough from Bradley, post Provodnikov to know he still has the ability, but it's always been on Bradley on whether he wants to be proud or smart and it seems he always lets his pride take over.

Some of it may very well have been Bradley's pride as you so eloquently stated but in the reality of the boxing game I believe it had more to do with pressure than pride. What I mean by that is that if you recall there was a long period that Arum put Bradley on the shelf because he was considered a "boring" fighter. Arum is such a racist bastard that he did the same to Rigondeaux as well and that leaves me to believe without a shadow of a doubt that he was told that he has to fight in a certain manner if he wants to continue to fight at all.

I believe Bradley has great boxing skills but and he isn't stupid as far as boxing but he had to do as he was told otherwise he would've remained on the shelf so long that he would've only been used much later as an older punching bag for those fighters that Arum would have wanted to make popular.

With that said, I just think that Bradley is now damaged goods, he swells in every fight and his punch resistance seems to have diminished, Vargas isn't known as a big puncher at all and he rocked Tim so hard that had the fight been a 15 rounder he may have gotten put to sleep. We all saw Bradley take bigger puncher's hits far better than he took Vargas' punch and not be fazed or appear as badly hurt. If Vargas could rock him and he isn't known for his punching power then imagine what Floyd could do to him.

[Badhusker]

Khan would beat Thurman on points, until Thurman knocks Khan out.

[punchoutsb]

I believe it had more to do with pressure than pride. What I mean by that is that if you recall there was a long period that Arum put Bradley on the shelf because he was considered a "boring" fighter. Arum is such a racist bastard that he did the same to Rigondeaux as well and that leaves me to believe without a shadow of a doubt that he was told that he has to fight in a certain manner if he wants to continue to fight at all.

So now it's racist to think a fighter is boring?

[KBB]

I believe it had more to do with pressure than pride. What I mean by that is that if you recall there was a long period that Arum put Bradley on the shelf because he was considered a "boring" fighter. Arum is such a racist bastard that he did the same to Rigondeaux as well and that leaves me to believe without a shadow of a doubt that he was told that he has to fight in a certain manner if he wants to continue to fight at all.

So now it's racist to think a fighter is boring?

Wow you are so dense! It's racist because he has only did to his fighters with black skin.

[punchoutsb]

I believe it had more to do with pressure than pride. What I mean by that is that if you recall there was a long period that Arum put Bradley on the shelf because he was considered a "boring" fighter. Arum is such a racist bastard that he did the same to Rigondeaux as well and that leaves me to believe without a shadow of a doubt that he was told that he has to fight in a certain manner if he wants to continue to fight at all.

So now it's racist to think a fighter is boring?

Wow you are so dense! It's racist because he has only did to his fighters with black skin.

The two fighters you mentioned (not Bradley in his last couple fights) are boring though. How is that racist?

[Tarkus]

Thurman showed that he can survive a very good and very tough pressure fighter and beat him to submission, a guy who went to distance with Hatton, Mosley, Amir Khan. Same Amir Khan who ran like a chicken for 12 rounds and now I am hearing that he apparently destroyed Collazo. When? Thurman took a big hook to the body and was straggling for round and a half. He dominated the rest of the fight. Retire Collazo on the stool. What more do you want? Should he vanquish opposition without breaking the sweat? In which fantasy world? Let me remind you that when Kell Brook went through hell against a much weaker pressure fighter lot of people were writing him off. Now suddenly he is a big favorite to beat Thurman.

Thurman Brook is a 50/50 fight for me, While I would favor Thurman against anyone else in the division.

[KBB]

The two fighters you mentioned (not Bradley in his last couple fights) are boring though. How is that racist?

I was speaking about the time before his fight with Provo, please read the stuff before you go off assuming I'm talking about now.

[hurricanemitch14]

U guys r fornicating retarded...totally hijacked a thread. Same ole shit tho same 2 douchebags . How the fornicate u guys havent been banned is beyond me.

Yrs back we actually talked about a fighter/fight but now u 2 guys screw it all up.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

The same people complaining about Broner's holding against Porter were quiet when Khan frustrated Collazo by constantly holding and making the fight garbage. Khan clearly won, but it wasn't a showcase of who is the more skilled fighter.

Thurman VS Khan wouldn't even be a repeat of Khan/Garcia. There's no way Virgil Hunter lets Khan fire combos at Thurman. Khan will poke around and hold and hit and do a lot moving flurries that might land, but will be generally ineffective.

However, as soon as Thurman lands, the fight is over. This guy absorbed punishment from Diego Chavez and then stopped him.

The same Julio Diaz that gave Khan and Porter hell, quit against Thurman.

Some of you here a Khan-like jokers.

[Tanzio]

Thurman wasn't exposed, but I think Collazo showed us that Thurman isn't unbeatable and does have some weaknesses that certain fighters might be able to take advantage of in the future.

Thurman's weaknesses were exposed by Collazo.

That does not mean that Thurman is a weak fighter. He showed heart / grit. He has good gifts and skills.

Thurman can be muscled. His defense relies on too much movement. That movement negates a significant amount of his power. He has to improve his body. It is too soft, period.

Thurman can compete with anyone at 147 but he can also be beaten by all of the upper tier. It will be interesting.

[Tanzio]

The same people complaining about Broner's holding against Porter were quiet when Khan frustrated Collazo by constantly holding and making the fight garbage. Khan clearly won, but it wasn't a showcase of who is the more skilled fighter.

Thurman VS Khan wouldn't even be a repeat of Khan/Garcia. There's no way Virgil Hunter lets Khan fire combos at Thurman. Khan will poke around and hold and hit and do a lot moving flurries that might land, but will be generally ineffective.

However, as soon as Thurman lands, the fight is over. This guy absorbed punishment from Diego Chavez and then stopped him.

The same Julio Diaz that gave Khan and Porter hell, quit against Thurman.

Some of you here a Khan-like jokers.

Let's see it. I agree that Thurman can hurt / stop Khan but I think Khan has the potential to hurt / stop Thurman.

I like Thurman. I've supported him all along but last night he was vulnerable. He got the stoppage but I was critical of 3G's last win and he was never in as much trouble as Keith was last night.

[punchoutsb]

The two fighters you mentioned (not Bradley in his last couple fights) are boring though. How is that racist?

I was speaking about the time before his fight with Provo, please read the stuff before you go off assuming I'm talking about now.

I know when you were talking about, and it still doesn't matter.

Let's see it. I agree that Thurman can hurt / stop Khan but I think Khan has the potential to hurt / stop Thurman.

I like Thurman. I've supported him all along but last night he was vulnerable. He got the stoppage but I was critical of 3G's last win and he was never in as much trouble as Keith was last night.

I think Thurman/Kahn makes a lot of sense to make, but Amir won't take it.

As far as Thurman looking vulnerable, I really just think he looked past Collazo. He took a hellacious body shot and took it like a top level fighter would. Collazo isn't all that, but he's a good pressure fighter with pop.

We still don't know where Thurman sits against the elite. One way to find out!

[jewboypgh]

I used to think that Keith Thurman was the only man in the welterweight division that could give Sammy Vasquez Jr a hard time. Well not no more. Thurman got exposed. Sammy would smoke his ass with a body shot.

[Counter-puncher]

I used to think that Keith Thurman was the only man in the welterweight division that could give Sammy Vasquez Jr a hard time. Well not no more. Thurman got exposed. Sammy would smoke his ass with a body shot.

you love you some Sammy Vasquez bodyshots. I've never seen him fight but when I do anything less than 85 bodyshots a round and I'm'a be disappointed there chief

[jimcook]

dunno what you lot watched, but i just saw thurman batter colazo into submission. apart from a stoppage when he was a novice pro, collazo hasnt even remotely looked like being stopped. so , on paper at least it was an impressive victory. for sure thurman looked a bit vulnerable at times, but he finished the fight strongly, and im sure he learnt that there are still things hes got to work on. i reckon that if it had been brook in there fighting collazo , he wouldve got the KO.

[ikorolev]

Not sure why Thurman is so against fighting Spence. Lack of confidence ?

[IKSRTFO]

Exposes lol yea ok.....Thurman has always been a mover.

Thurman or Spence is the men at 147 in a yr or 2.

Yep exposes the fact that he can be walked down, can't take it to the body and that his punching power is questionable.

Considering no one has ever stopped Collazo. Not even Mosley or Hatton.

[KBB]

Exposes lol yea ok.....Thurman has always been a mover.

Thurman or Spence is the men at 147 in a yr or 2.

Yep exposes the fact that he can be walked down, can't take it to the body and that his punching power is questionable.

Considering no one has ever stopped Collazo. Not even Mosley or Hatton.

So does that mean his punching power wasn't somewhat overrated

[NateJR]

I'm pretty sure when Thurman was knocking out lesser opponents, people factored in that it was due to him fighting weak opposition. Thurmans power is for real, but once you get to that top level it becomes harder to knock everyone out.

[Badhusker]

Didn't see the fight yet, but it sounds like Thurman looked past him. 1st time Collazo has been stopped?

Hope he steps it up now to a top 10 guy. He is beatable by a good boxer that has a decent chin. Andrade did a couple times in amateurs for what that's worth.

My hat will be off to Khan if he fights him, but think I will be wearing it for a while.