Duran vs Leonard I: 35 Years Later, Duran's Finest Hour

[elmersalsa]

Everybody gets whuppped. Some at their very best like Leonard got with Duran, and some when they're not at their very best like many boxers had

The difference between Leonard and Duran is that Leonard would never quit in the middle of a fight, in his prime on not, Leonard would never do that, neither would Hearns or Hagler.

One fight does not diminish nor enhance someone's legacy. So what?, he quit. What about the other fights? Did he quit? No.

It it weren't because of No Mas, maybe his legacy wouldn't be as great as it is now. In fact, the No Mas made him a bigger than life legend.

[keithmoonhangover]

Everybody gets whuppped. Some at their very best like Leonard got with Duran, and some when they're not at their very best like many boxers had

The difference between Leonard and Duran is that Leonard would never quit in the middle of a fight, in his prime on not, Leonard would never do that, neither would Hearns or Hagler.

One fight does not diminish nor enhance someone's legacy. So what?, he quit. What about the other fights? Did he quit? No.

He got whupped (using your definition of the word) by Dejesus.

[palooka]

Keith, you do realise you're banging your head against a wall?

[keithmoonhangover]

Keith, you do realise you're banging your head against a wall?

I'm just having some fun mate.

[palooka]

Keith, you do realise you're banging your head against a wall?

I'm just having some fun mate.

Elmer posts some really good, thought provoking stuff but is very emotionally involved with Duran, there's no balance or rationality.

[elmersalsa]

Keith, you do realise you're banging your head against a wall?

I'm just having some fun mate.

Me, too. I am getting people frustrated like Ambling Alp and Keith

[elmersalsa]

Keith, you do realise you're banging your head against a wall?

I'm just having some fun mate.

Elmer posts some really good, thought provoking stuff but is very emotionally involved with Duran, there's no balance or rationality.

I called it like I see it

[palooka]

You've got no chance of winding me up.

[keithmoonhangover]

Keith, you do realise you're banging your head against a wall?

I'm just having some fun mate.

Me, too. I am getting people frustrated like Ambling Alp and Keith

Is that your goal? To get people frustrated?

[elmersalsa]

Not at all, let's keep talking about boxing.

Where do you rate the great Roberto Duran in tha ATG list? I rated him at #4 behind Henry Armstrong, Sugar Ray Robinson, and Sam Langford.
I rate him #1 at lightweight all time

The great Sugar Ray Leonard? at #20 ATG p4p. He is #5 in my view rated at welterweight.

That is my view, Keith.

[Tomasino]

Not at all, let's keep talking about boxing.

Where do you rate the great Roberto Duran in tha ATG list? I rated him at #4 behind Henry Armstrong, Sugar Ray Robinson, and Sam Langford.
I rate him #1 at lightweight all time

The great Sugar Ray Leonard? at #20 ATG p4p. He is #5 in my view rated at welterweight.

That is my view, Keith.

You've said yourself that Armstrong was one dimensional, but he's your all time number 1?

[keithmoonhangover]

Not at all, let's keep talking about boxing.

Where do you rate the great Roberto Duran in tha ATG list? I rated him at #4 behind Henry Armstrong, Sugar Ray Robinson, and Sam Langford.
I rate him #1 at lightweight all time

The great Sugar Ray Leonard? at #20 ATG p4p. He is #5 in my view rated at welterweight.

That is my view, Keith.

I haven't done a list for a while, but my top four P4P are definitely....
Robinson
Louis
Armstrong
Ali


I have Benny Leonard above Duran at lightweight.

[elmersalsa]

Not at all, let's keep talking about boxing.

Where do you rate the great Roberto Duran in tha ATG list? I rated him at #4 behind Henry Armstrong, Sugar Ray Robinson, and Sam Langford.
I rate him #1 at lightweight all time

The great Sugar Ray Leonard? at #20 ATG p4p. He is #5 in my view rated at welterweight.

That is my view, Keith.

You've said yourself that Armstrong was one dimensional, but he's your all time number 1?

You cannot ignore the great Henry Armstrong's accomplishments. But in a fight, I can't see him beat Duran nor Leonard. Too one-dimensional for those two.

[elmersalsa]

Not at all, let's keep talking about boxing.

Where do you rate the great Roberto Duran in tha ATG list? I rated him at #4 behind Henry Armstrong, Sugar Ray Robinson, and Sam Langford.
I rate him #1 at lightweight all time

The great Sugar Ray Leonard? at #20 ATG p4p. He is #5 in my view rated at welterweight.

That is my view, Keith.

I haven't done a list for a while, but my top four P4P are definitely....
Robinson
Louis
Armstrong
Ali


I have Benny Leonard above Duran at lightweight.

Do you rate SRL above Manos de Piedra?

[keithmoonhangover]

Not at all, let's keep talking about boxing.

Where do you rate the great Roberto Duran in tha ATG list? I rated him at #4 behind Henry Armstrong, Sugar Ray Robinson, and Sam Langford.
I rate him #1 at lightweight all time

The great Sugar Ray Leonard? at #20 ATG p4p. He is #5 in my view rated at welterweight.

That is my view, Keith.

I haven't done a list for a while, but my top four P4P are definitely....
Robinson
Louis
Armstrong
Ali


I have Benny Leonard above Duran at lightweight.

Do you rate SRL above Manos de Piedra?

Yes. Leonard beat better fighters. Beating Hearns, Benitez, Duran and Hagler is an incredible achievement and I rank him higher than Duran, Hagler or Hearns.

[elmersalsa]

Leonard is an incredible great fighter. But he is not better than the Hands of Stone. That is my view.

[keithmoonhangover]

Leonard is an incredible great fighter. But he is not better than the Hands of Stone. That is my view.

Based on what? Leonard has better wins on his record.

[elmersalsa]

Leonard is an incredible great fighter. But he is not better than the Hands of Stone. That is my view.

Based on what? Leonard has better wins on his record.

Better wins yes. Duran had much more longevity and much more accomplishments

[keithmoonhangover]

Leonard is an incredible great fighter. But he is not better than the Hands of Stone. That is my view.

Based on what? Leonard has better wins on his record.

Better wins yes. Duran had much more longevity and much more accomplishments

More accomplishments? How?

[elmersalsa]

You know his accomplishments. The best of the last 50 years

[keithmoonhangover]

You know his accomplishments. The best of the last 50 years

I know his accomplishments, but they are not better than Leonards. If you think they are, please explain why.

[elmersalsa]

You know his accomplishments. The best of the last 50 years

I know his accomplishments, but they are not better than Leonards. If you think they are, please explain why.

Duran had more longevity.
Duran was a more dominant champion AT HIS WEIGHT CLASS, than Leonard ever was at welter, ain't that correct?
Duran has more KOs than Leonard had fights.
Duran was never defeated as champion of the lightweights. Leonard? In the biggest night of his career, got whupped by a lightweight.
Duran beat more world champions than Leonard
Duran had more unbeaten streaks, more winning consistency. Duran when he faced Leonard was 71-1, 56 KOs
Duran jumped 2 weight classes to win another title. Did Leonard jumped 2 weight classes to beat anyone? No. Do not tell me that he jumped to beat the great Marvelous, because, Leonard already was a jr middleweight at the Kevin Howard fight.
Do you know when Duran challenged and win all his 4 world crowns (Ken Buchanan, Leonard, Davey Moore, and Iran Barkley), Duran WAS NEVER THE FAVORITE?
DURAN IS THE ONLY TRUE LIGHTWEIGHT CHAMPION TO WIN A PIECE OF THE MIDDLEWEIGHT CROWN. HE WON THE LINEAL TITLE.
Duran has the record of most KOs in almost every round from 1 to 15. The only round that he did not had a KO was in the 9th round. A world record.
Duran had the record of most consecutive title defenses won by KO with 10, and most consecutive title fights won by KO with 11. The great Wilfredo Gomez broke the record in '80.
Duran is one of 3 fighters to fight in 4 different decades.
In 1972, Duran was the world lightweight champion. In 1989, he becomes the WBC World middleweight champion? Amazing.
Duran won 4 world crowns in 4 different weight classes. You want to say that Leonard won 5 in 5 classes is a travesty.

The only thing Leonard had over Duran is his wins AT HIS WEIGHT CLASS over Wilfred Benitez ( a jr welter), Duran ( a lightweight) and Thomas Hearns (the only real welter) and Marvelous Marvin (After Duran already challenged him).

Too much accomplishments that shrink Leonard's. Do not INVENT something now. I want to see if the list that I got up there, will Leonard eclips it.

[keithmoonhangover]

You know his accomplishments. The best of the last 50 years

I know his accomplishments, but they are not better than Leonards. If you think they are, please explain why.

Duran had more longevity.
Duran was a more dominant champion AT HIS WEIGHT CLASS, than Leonard ever was at welter, ain't that correct? HE FOUGHT POOR COMPETITION
Duran has more KOs than Leonard had fights. HE FOUGHT POOR COMPETITION
Duran was never defeated as champion of the lightweights. Leonard? In the biggest night of his career, got whupped by a lightweight. HE LOST A NON TITLE FIGHT!!!!
Duran beat more world champions than Leonard. LEONARD BEAT MORE HALL OF FAMERS
Duran had more unbeaten streaks, more winning consistency. Duran when he faced Leonard was 71-1, 56 KOs RECORDS MEAN VERY LITTLE. AGAIN, POORER COMPETITION. IF RECORDS AND STREAKS ARE IMPORTANT JC CHAVEZ IS BETTER THAN DURAN.
Duran jumped 2 weight classes to win another title. Did Leonard jumped 2 weight classes to beat anyone? No. Do not tell me that he jumped to beat the great Marvelous, because, Leonard already was a jr middleweight at the Kevin Howard fight. DURAN HAD ALREADY FOUGHT LOTS OF TIMES AT 140.
Do you know when Duran challenged and win all his 4 world crowns (Ken Buchanan, Leonard, Davey Moore, and Iran Barkley), Duran WAS NEVER THE FAVORITE? BEING THE FAVOURITE MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. LEONARD BEAT BETTER FIGHTERS.
DURAN IS THE ONLY TRUE LIGHTWEIGHT CHAMPION TO WIN A PIECE OF THE MIDDLEWEIGHT CROWN. HE WON THE LINEAL TITLE. WHICH LINEAL TITLE? THE WBC MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE? THAT IS NOT THE LINEAL TITLE.
Duran has the record of most KOs in almost every round from 1 to 15. The only round that he did not had a KO was in the 9th round. A world record. THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LEGACY. DID YOU KNOW ALI RAYMI HAS MORE 1ST ROUND KOs?
Duran had the record of most consecutive title defenses won by KO with 10, and most consecutive title fights won by KO with 11. The great Wilfredo Gomez broke the record in '80. AGAINST POOR COMPETITION.
Duran is one of 3 fighters to fight in 4 different decades. THAT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE.
In 1972, Duran was the world lightweight champion. In 1989, he becomes the WBC World middleweight champion? Amazing. YES. NOT AS AMAZING AS BEATING HAGLER.
Duran won 4 world crowns in 4 different weight classes. You want to say that Leonard won 5 in 5 classes is a travesty. TITLES MEAN NOTHING. LEONARD BEAT BETTER FIGHTERS.

The only thing Leonard had over Duran is his wins AT HIS WEIGHT CLASS over Wilfred Benitez ( a jr welter), Duran ( a lightweight) and Thomas Hearns (the only real welter) and Marvelous Marvin (After Duran already challenged him).

Too much accomplishments that shrink Leonard's. Do not INVENT something now. I want to see if the list that I got up there, will Leonard eclips it.

I've invented nothing. You are deluded.

[elmersalsa]

Poor competition, alright. Don't. Make me laugh. You couldn't come up with Leonard's accomplishments. I knew THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE NOTHING COMING. GIVE IT UP, BRO.

Then you said that Leonard beat 4 Hofs. Duran beat 4 hofs, also. And probably there would be 3 more, if the HoF is right: with Ernesto Marcel, Esteban DeJesus, and Iran Barkley. The 4 HOFs he beat: Ken Buchanan, Carlos Palomino, Pipino Cuevas and your new hero I guess, Sugar Ray Leonard.

You won't bring a pic of Leonard's face after the fight. He got WHUPPED.
You won't admit Duran's greatness at lightweight. How dominant he was is out of the question. Weak opposition? I guess you don't know much. NOBODY at featherweight came up. Nobody at Jr. Lightweight came up. Nobody at 122lbs, came up. I wonder why. Not even a Jr welter came up to the plate.

Another lie you bring: Duran fought at 140lbs after reliquinshing the lightweight crown. He went straight to welterweight.

I thought that you was trying to eclipse Duran's accomplishments with Leonard's? Duran won this comparison.

Leonard was a great fighter. But Duran was much greater. The June 20, 1980 fight proved it.

[keithmoonhangover]

Another lie you bring: Duran fought at 140lbs after reliquinshing the lightweight crown. He went straight to welterweight.

Please check Duran's record, come back and tell me how many times Duran fought at 140lbs or above 135lbs before he made the move to welterweight. Thanks in advance.