YOUR ATG LIST FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS

[squiggy]

I thought it was interesting that Freddie Roach said if Roy Jones Jr.quit after his heavyweight belt he would be considered GOAT.

I'm his prime I do think he was the best I've seen.

It's unique, I think, that his career offered such a storybook opportunity to go out on top, and that by turning that chance down, he's gone on to look so tragically flawed. The second half of his career *shouldnt* make anybody rate him lower, but ... You can't un-see those brutal knockouts, either.

[stujones]

That was tough - what a great generation of fighters. I've considered fighting careers from 1985 onwards - Hagler, Leonard, Holmes, Pryor, Arguello, Duran, Heanrs etc not there for that reason.

I've probably omitted a big name.

1) Floyd Mayweather
2) Roy Jones Jnr
3) Evander Holyfield
4) Manny Pacquiao
5) Julio Cesar Chavez
6) Bernard Hopkins
7) Oscar De La Hoya
8) Pernell Whittikar
9) Shane Mosely
10) Jaun Manuel Marquez
11) Marco Antionio Barrera
12) Erik Morales
13) Ricardo Lopez
14) Lennox Lewis
15) Tito Trinidad
16) Mike Tyson
17) Mike McCallum
18) Azumah Nelson
19) James Toney
20) Khaosai Galaxy
21) Jeff Fenech
22) Winky Wright
23) Hector Camacho
24) Wladimir Klitchsko
25) Jorge Arce
26) Jo Calzaghe
27) Kostya Tszyu
28) Andre Ward - and rising.
29) Vernon Forrest
30) Resondo Alvarez

[Ezzard]

Roberto Duran
Ray Leonard
Manny Pacquaio
Bernard Hopkins
Marvin Hagler
Evander Holyfield
Pernell Whittaker
Julio Cesar Chavez
Michael Spinks
Thomas Hearns

[Ricky_]

I thought it was interesting that Freddie Roach said if Roy Jones Jr.quit after his heavyweight belt he would be considered GOAT.

I'm his prime I do think he was the best I've seen.

It's unique, I think, that his career offered such a storybook opportunity to go out on top, and that by turning that chance down, he's gone on to look so tragically flawed. The second half of his career *shouldnt* make anybody rate him lower, but ... You can't un-see those brutal knockouts, either.

A prime Roy Jones was somewhat Ray Robinson in his fluidity and sheer elegance.

[jezzamundo]

Seeing as KBB is allowing all fighters who have competed in the last 30 years, and includes their entire career, not just fights since 1985, here is my list:

1. Roberto Duran
2. Sugar Ray Leonard
3. Marvin Hagler
4. Thomas Hearns
5. Floyd Mayweather Jr
6. Manny Pacquiao
7. Pernell Whitaker
8. Bernard Hopkins
9. Julio Cesar Chavez
10. Evander Holyfield
11. Larry Holmes
12. Roy Jones Jr
13. Juan Manuel Marquez
14. George Foreman
15. Oscar De La Hoya
16. Lennox Lewis
17. Joe Calzaghe
18. Ricardo Lopez
19. Alexis Arguello
20. Shane Mosley

As an Aussie, I would have liked to have put Kostya Tszyu in there, but he doesn't quite make it, neither does Tyson, Wlad, Barrera, Morales, Trinidad or Nelson. My knowledge of the lower weight divisions isn't great, so I've omitted fighters I don't know enough about. I rate Holyfield lower than Holmes, Foreman and Lewis as a heavyweight, but higher p4p taking into account his cruiserweight accomplishments.

[KBB]

Seeing as KBB is allowing all fighters who have competed in the last 30 years, and includes their entire career, not just fights since 1985, here is my list:

1. Roberto Duran
2. Sugar Ray Leonard
3. Marvin Hagler
4. Thomas Hearns
5. Floyd Mayweather Jr
6. Manny Pacquiao
7. Pernell Whitaker
8. Bernard Hopkins
9. Julio Cesar Chavez
10. Evander Holyfield
11. Larry Holmes
12. Roy Jones Jr
13. Juan Manuel Marquez
14. George Foreman
15. Oscar De La Hoya
16. Lennox Lewis
17. Joe Calzaghe
18. Ricardo Lopez
19. Alexis Arguello
20. Shane Mosley

As an Aussie, I would have liked to have put Kostya Tszyu in there, but he doesn't quite make it, neither does Tyson, Wlad, Barrera, Morales, Trinidad or Nelson. My knowledge of the lower weight divisions isn't great, so I've omitted fighters I don't know enough about. I rate Holyfield lower than Holmes, Foreman and Lewis as a heavyweight, but higher p4p taking into account his cruiserweight accomplishments.

Not a bad list though I would've rated Duran below SRL and MMH seeing that he lost to both of them and I would have Bhop ahead of Sweet Pea.

[jezzamundo]

Seeing as KBB is allowing all fighters who have competed in the last 30 years, and includes their entire career, not just fights since 1985, here is my list:

1. Roberto Duran
2. Sugar Ray Leonard
3. Marvin Hagler
4. Thomas Hearns
5. Floyd Mayweather Jr
6. Manny Pacquiao
7. Pernell Whitaker
8. Bernard Hopkins
9. Julio Cesar Chavez
10. Evander Holyfield
11. Larry Holmes
12. Roy Jones Jr
13. Juan Manuel Marquez
14. George Foreman
15. Oscar De La Hoya
16. Lennox Lewis
17. Joe Calzaghe
18. Ricardo Lopez
19. Alexis Arguello
20. Shane Mosley

As an Aussie, I would have liked to have put Kostya Tszyu in there, but he doesn't quite make it, neither does Tyson, Wlad, Barrera, Morales, Trinidad or Nelson. My knowledge of the lower weight divisions isn't great, so I've omitted fighters I don't know enough about. I rate Holyfield lower than Holmes, Foreman and Lewis as a heavyweight, but higher p4p taking into account his cruiserweight accomplishments.

Not a bad list though I would've rated Duran below SRL and MMH seeing that he lost to both of them and I would have Bhop ahead of Sweet Pea.

Thanks. I think whether Duran or SRL rates higher is debatable because Duran beat him (narrowly IMO) when they were both in their primes and Duran was the one coming up in weight. Also the rematch was closer than most know, until Duran had a brain explosion, while the rubber match occurred when both were well past their best.

Personally I feel that Duran is clearly ahead of Hagler in a p4p sense, considering he came up from lightweight to give Hagler - one of the best middleweights ever - a very competitive fight. The real problem with rating Duran is dealing with his inconsistency - he didn't always take opponents seriously and lost fights he shouldn't have.

[Chepppaaa]

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anybody who does not have roy jones jr as #1 on his p4p list of the best from 1985-2015 has 0 boxing knowledge.

i mean floyd lost to castillo, it was close, but castillo easily won by 2 rounds + and had a draw against maidana.

i mean, maidana fight came late in floyds career and when a boxer is out of his prime he can lose, so did roy and barely everybody else. but in his prime roy would
have never lost against a one dimensional guy like castillo. i mean he beat future atg like hopkins and toney easily. roy in his prime is the best boxer ever.

[jezzamundo]

I was actually thinking I might have been a little harsh on RJJ - but there's no way I could put him any higher than #8, and I think that's being generous. Possibly the most physically gifted boxer ever, but his level of opposition is severely lacking - his resume is quite poor compared to that of Floyd, Manny and Hopkins. Yes, he looked phenomenal at times, but to be considered truly great, you must prove yourself against the best. Also, if you're going to count Castillo against Floyd, I think you also have to count the first Griffin fight against RJJ - it was close on the scorecards and Griffin had landed more punches. If Roy struggled against him, I think he'd have lost to the likes of Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles and many other HOF light heavyweights. For me RJJ was a phenomenal talent, but probably about the 50th greatest boxer of all time p4p.

[NateJR]

You aren't suppose to be making a p4p list its a ATG list.. if I was making a p4p list Leonard, Mayweather, Duran, Whitaker, Pacquiao and Roy Jones JR. would be the top guys on my list.. but we're talking atg here where you factor in what they accomplished throught their whole career, not just what they were capable of at the peak of their career.

[jezzamundo]

Seeing as all weight divisions are included, I see it as being an ATG p4p list. I agree that what they accomplished throughout their career (and who they accomplished it against) is the most important factor, but how good they were in their prime is also a factor. I don't factor in 'who beats who if everyone was the same weight' because I think it's a silly idea and little more than guesswork, not to mention that styles make fights, so there would be lots of circularities.

[sucracristo]

Seeing as KBB is allowing all fighters who have competed in the last 30 years, and includes their entire career, not just fights since 1985, here is my list:

1. Roberto Duran
2. Sugar Ray Leonard
3. Marvin Hagler
4. Thomas Hearns
5. Floyd Mayweather Jr
6. Manny Pacquiao
7. Pernell Whitaker
8. Bernard Hopkins
9. Julio Cesar Chavez
10. Evander Holyfield
11. Larry Holmes
12. Roy Jones Jr
13. Juan Manuel Marquez
14. George Foreman
15. Oscar De La Hoya
16. Lennox Lewis
17. Joe Calzaghe
18. Ricardo Lopez
19. Alexis Arguello
20. Shane Mosley

As an Aussie, I would have liked to have put Kostya Tszyu in there, but he doesn't quite make it, neither does Tyson, Wlad, Barrera, Morales, Trinidad or Nelson. My knowledge of the lower weight divisions isn't great, so I've omitted fighters I don't know enough about. I rate Holyfield lower than Holmes, Foreman and Lewis as a heavyweight, but higher p4p taking into account his cruiserweight accomplishments.

Not a bad list though I would've rated Duran below SRL and MMH seeing that he lost to both of them and I would have Bhop ahead of Sweet Pea.

considering you said, as long as they were still active 30 years ago, you would factor in their entire careers,
duran belongs somewhere on that list just based on what he did at lightweight. the fact that leonard beat
duran 2 out of 3 times might give leonard an edge at 147 and 160 (fighting for leonard's 168 title), but
duran was 71-1 already and a legend the first time they fought. duran went 103-16 over 33+ years,
and 16-6 in major world title fights in 5 divisions, facing all the biggest names in the sport. leonard's
win over lalonde was impressive considering the size difference, but that fight earned leonard 2 division
titles and he never really campaigned in either division after that, whereas duran was legitimately campainging
in all the divisions he won titles in, with many fights as a welter before giving leonard his first loss by UD
and taking his title.

[sucracristo]

While I can respect your list because I know it's your own but I'm not sure how one could have Tyson ahead of SRL, Hagler, Hearns, Duran, Hopkins, Floyd or Manny. I'm sure you have your reasons.

maybe it's the last 30 years part, which means what they did after july of 85, which cancels out
most of the best things srl, hagler, hearns and duran did. floyd and manny accomplished a lot
especially as far as acquiring abc's but floyd in particular avoided the best guys when those fights
were there to be made, and that isn't just about the one guy you are obsessed with, so he definitely
belongs behind the youngest guy to win and unify the heavyweight title.

Mayweather has A WAY superior record than Tyson, that is ludicrous.

The best fighters on Tyson's record that he beat, were an inactive Larry Holmes, a great light heavyweight, but far from Great heavyweight champ in Spinks, and Trevor Berbick.

If you're going to be critical of Floyd, then apply the same critique to Tyson. That's one of the most stupid lists I've ever seen.

that response has absolutely nothing to do with my post whatsoever. it literally addresses nothing i said at all

[jamesmcdonnell]

No it doesn't, not sure how I ended up replying to you with that. Must be an error.

[MachoTime]

I see no problem in Mayweather being listed as number 1 in the last 30 years. Mayweather has longevity and the amount of world title fights. On the BoxRec all time list Mayweather is number 7.

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considering you said, as long as they were still active 30 years ago, you would factor in their entire careers,
duran belongs somewhere on that list just based on what he did at lightweight. the fact that leonard beat
duran 2 out of 3 times might give leonard an edge at 147 and 160 (fighting for leonard's 168 title), but
duran was 71-1 already and a legend the first time they fought. duran went 103-16 over 33+ years,
and 16-6 in major world title fights in 5 divisions, facing all the biggest names in the sport. leonard's
win over lalonde was impressive considering the size difference, but that fight earned leonard 2 division
titles and he never really campaigned in either division after that, whereas duran was legitimately campainging
in all the divisions he won titles in, with many fights as a welter before giving leonard his first loss by UD
and taking his title.

That's weird to me. By that logic we would rate Evander Holyfield one of the best fighters of the past five years. Or Muhammad Ali one of the best of the '80s.

[tiny_acres]

considering you said, as long as they were still active 30 years ago, you would factor in their entire careers,
duran belongs somewhere on that list just based on what he did at lightweight. the fact that leonard beat
duran 2 out of 3 times might give leonard an edge at 147 and 160 (fighting for leonard's 168 title), but
duran was 71-1 already and a legend the first time they fought. duran went 103-16 over 33+ years,
and 16-6 in major world title fights in 5 divisions, facing all the biggest names in the sport. leonard's
win over lalonde was impressive considering the size difference, but that fight earned leonard 2 division
titles and he never really campaigned in either division after that, whereas duran was legitimately campainging
in all the divisions he won titles in, with many fights as a welter before giving leonard his first loss by UD
and taking his title.

That's weird to me. By that logic we would rate Evander Holyfield one of the best fighters of the past five years. Or Muhammad Ali one of the best of the '80s.

I agree.It does not make any sense to me either.

[caldo2025]

1. Mike Tyson
2. Sugar Ray Leonard
3. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
4. Roy Jones Jr
5. Manny Pacquaio
6. Oscar DeLahoya
7. Evander Holyfield
8. Pernell Whittaker
9. Larry Holmes
10. Lennox Lewis
11. Marvin Hagler
12. Tommy Hearns
13. Julio Caesar Chavez Sr.
14. Roberto Duran
15. Bernard Hopkins
16. Prince Nazeem Hamed
17. Wladimir Klitschko
18. Riddick Bowe
19. GGG
20. Hector Camacho

At some point in the last 30 years, every one of these fighters had a stay at the very top in boxing. That's basically how I put my list together. Not a P4P list but who was the biggest things in boxing over this span of 30 years. I feel each of these boxers had their day in the sun as the baddest man on the planet that some viewed as unbeatable. I think that these 20 were the most important boxers to the sport as well in the last 30 years. Not counting losses at the end or past the end of their careers, talking about spurts in which the torch was passed around. Each one of these guys held it at some point I feel.

[digzee]

Loving all the love sweet pea is getting, my favourite boxer along with Morales, would love to have a prime sweet pea now.

In a few year El Chocolatito will be in these lists too.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Roberto Duran
3. Ray Leonard
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Manny Pacquiao
6. Larry Holmes
7. Marvin Hagler
9. Pernell Whitaker
10. Bernard Hopkins
11. Julio Cesar Chavez
12. Evander Holyfield
13. Roy Jones Jr.
14. Thomas Hearns
15. Juan Manuel Marquez
16. Kostya Tszyu
17. James Toney
18. Vitali Klitchko
19. Andre Ward
20. Erik Morales
21. Aaron Pryor
22. Felix Trinidad
23. Marco Antonio Barrera
24. Shane Mosley
25. Mike Tyson
26. Joe Calzaghe
27. Wladimir Klitchko
28. Winky Wright
29. Oscar Delahoya
30. Alexis Arguello

NateJR you must have forgot about AZUMAH NELSON because any list without him on it is incomplete

[ClivePatrickLyons]

1.Sugar Ray Leonard
2.Roberto Duran
3.Azumah Nelson
4.Floyd Mayweather
5.Manny Pacquiao
6.Marvin Hagler
7.Evander Holyfield
8.Mike Tyson
9.Tommy Hearns
10.Julio Cesar Chavez sr
11.Lennox Lewis
12.Bernard Hopkins
13.Pernell Whitaker
14.Ricardo Lopez
15.Roy Jones jr
16.Juan Manuel Marquez
17.James Toney
18.Mike Mc Callum
19.Shane Mosley
20.Oscar De La Hoya

[Chepppaaa]

I was actually thinking I might have been a little harsh on RJJ - but there's no way I could put him any higher than #8, and I think that's being generous. Possibly the most physically gifted boxer ever, but his level of opposition is severely lacking - his resume is quite poor compared to that of Floyd, Manny and Hopkins. Yes, he looked phenomenal at times, but to be considered truly great, you must prove yourself against the best. Also, if you're going to count Castillo against Floyd, I think you also have to count the first Griffin fight against RJJ - it was close on the scorecards and Griffin had landed more punches. If Roy struggled against him, I think he'd have lost to the likes of Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles and many other HOF light heavyweights. For me RJJ was a phenomenal talent, but probably about the 50th greatest boxer of all time p4p.

jones treated hopkins and toney like sparring partners and easily beat both guys, griffin got handled in the second and roy showed what happens when he is serious.

jones #1 boxer ever

[Chepppaaa]

1.Sugar Ray Leonard
2.Roberto Duran
3.Azumah Nelson
4.Floyd Mayweather
5.Manny Pacquiao
6.Marvin Hagler
7.Evander Holyfield
8.Mike Tyson
9.Tommy Hearns
10.Julio Cesar Chavez sr
11.Lennox Lewis
12.Bernard Hopkins
13.Pernell Whitaker
14.Ricardo Lopez
15.Roy Jones jr
16.Juan Manuel Marquez
17.James Toney
18.Mike Mc Callum
19.Shane Mosley
20.Oscar De La Hoya

chavez couldnt handle taylor and pernell and lost to both of them, but he is ranked higher than somebody more athletic and faster than both of them (roy)

and lewis beat holyfield & tyson but his behind them hahahahaha

what are you smoking?

[Chepppaaa]

1. jones
2. leonard
3. mayweather
4. pacquiao
5. hearns
6. tyson
7. hopkins
8. trinidad
9. tyson
10. whitacker


etc.....


thats a reasonable list

[jezzamundo]

1.Sugar Ray Leonard
2.Roberto Duran
3.Azumah Nelson
4.Floyd Mayweather
5.Manny Pacquiao
6.Marvin Hagler
7.Evander Holyfield
8.Mike Tyson
9.Tommy Hearns
10.Julio Cesar Chavez sr
11.Lennox Lewis
12.Bernard Hopkins
13.Pernell Whitaker
14.Ricardo Lopez
15.Roy Jones jr
16.Juan Manuel Marquez
17.James Toney
18.Mike Mc Callum
19.Shane Mosley
20.Oscar De La Hoya

That's a seriously high rating of Azumah Nelson, he just missed out of my top 20, although I could easily swap him for Arguello or Mosley and probably should have.