Are Brain Scans between rounds a reality and why haven't they been tried yet?

[Capricorn1]

What i mean is that we live in a seriously "Hi-Tech" world (I-Watches, Cars that park themselves, Face Transplants etc...) devices exist that can instantly scan a brain (taking around 1 minute to fully scan the entire brain) for injury and i think the Boxing world should look into the use of such devices to scan each fighter between rounds, in the event of any bleeding (Shadows) on the brain they could simply end the fight and get that fighter to a neurosurgeon far quicker than when fighters collapse minutes, hours, days or weeks after a fight such as Magomed Abdusalamov when he fought Perez in NYC 2013.
The Ringside doctors who peformed the scans could the have the final say on a fighters welfare which would cut out the bullshit judgement we saw from Magomeds own corner during the latter stages of that fight.

Instant Scanning Device
http://www.gizmag.com/handheld-devices- ... ies/20921/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_EOAoS58vc

Amazes me that in this day and age measures like these haven't been introduced or at least tried out.

Anyway would be great to here your thoughts on this subject guys

[punchoutsb]

Boxing is an inherently dangerous sport. And while fighter safety should be the major concern, there comes a point when it would be easiest to cease the sport. Scanning brains between every round is right at that point in my opinion.

But I would fully support mandatory brain scans following every bout, regardless of result, for both fighters.

[Capricorn1]

Boxing is an inherently dangerous sport. And while fighter safety should be the major concern, there comes a point when it would be easiest to cease the sport. Scanning brains between every round is right at that point in my opinion.

But I would fully support mandatory brain scans following every bout, regardless of result, for both fighters.

If the scans can be done in around a minute and also done to hinder the flow of the fight as little as possible then surely that would be better than to "cease the sport" your going to have the exact same sport just with less fatal bouts

[gregor]

I am really not sure if a brain scan (together with its interpretation) can be done that fast.

And, assuming for the sake of argument it would be technically possible, the costs would probably kill boxing anyway. If you have a 8 rounder, it would mean 16 brain scans... this would be significant amount of money for most of the fights (obviously, I am not talking about fights like Floyd-Pac, but remaining 99%).

[Capricorn1]

I am really not sure if a brain scan (together with its interpretation) can be done that fast.

And, assuming for the sake of argument it would be technically possible, the costs would probably kill boxing anyway. If you have a 8 rounder, it would mean 16 brain scans... this would be significant amount of money for most of the fights (obviously, I am not talking about fights like Floyd-Pac, but remaining 99%).

Look at the link and youtube video i have posted - the device is already a reality and has been for a few years now and can perform a full brain scan in around a minute.

With all the money boxing generates surely the governing bodies can fork out for these devices which are just small hand held devices.

Don't get me wrong i love watching a war inside the square circle but it seems a small outlay of money compared to what boxing generates yearly

[sucracristo]

i would like to double down on this question. if they can do hand operated brain scans, then
why not have special helmets that can continuously scan brains DURING the rounds? maybe
also the scanners can uncover their deepest thoughts and dreams and find out which boxers
are the biggest perverts in their personal lives, and then the information can be given to their
opponents during the fight to see if it can be used as an advantage. imagine if you could see
the boxers thoughts on a screen, picture in picture, during a fight.

[sucracristo]

compared to what boxing generates yearly

how much does "boxing" generate yearly? how many expenses can you list that a local
promoter has to pay for out of pocket in order to stage an event in a small venue of a few
hundred or maybe as many as 2,000 attendees? then list what you think the revenue streams
are and what you think their totals are to come up with a balance sheet. this should be fun.

[jamesmcdonnell]

What i mean is that we live in a seriously "Hi-Tech" world (I-Watches, Cars that park themselves, Face Transplants etc...) devices exist that can instantly scan a brain (taking around 1 minute to fully scan the entire brain) for injury and i think the Boxing world should look into the use of such devices to scan each fighter between rounds, in the event of any bleeding (Shadows) on the brain they could simply end the fight and get that fighter to a neurosurgeon far quicker than when fighters collapse minutes, hours, days or weeks after a fight such as Magomed Abdusalamov when he fought Perez in NYC 2013.
The Ringside doctors who peformed the scans could the have the final say on a fighters welfare which would cut out the bullshit judgement we saw from Magomeds own corner during the latter stages of that fight.

Instant Scanning Device
http://www.gizmag.com/handheld-devices- ... ies/20921/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_EOAoS58vc

Amazes me that in this day and age measures like these haven't been introduced or at least tried out.

Anyway would be great to here your thoughts on this subject guys

So you reckon that is affordable either money or time wise?

How about the time it takes to interpret the results.

As said earlier, at some point, you may as well just ban boxing.

A fighter could be passed fit and clear to go, and be killed by the next punch they took in any case.

I think you've lost the plot a bit.

[Capricorn1]

What i mean is that we live in a seriously "Hi-Tech" world (I-Watches, Cars that park themselves, Face Transplants etc...) devices exist that can instantly scan a brain (taking around 1 minute to fully scan the entire brain) for injury and i think the Boxing world should look into the use of such devices to scan each fighter between rounds, in the event of any bleeding (Shadows) on the brain they could simply end the fight and get that fighter to a neurosurgeon far quicker than when fighters collapse minutes, hours, days or weeks after a fight such as Magomed Abdusalamov when he fought Perez in NYC 2013.
The Ringside doctors who peformed the scans could the have the final say on a fighters welfare which would cut out the bullshit judgement we saw from Magomeds own corner during the latter stages of that fight.

Instant Scanning Device
http://www.gizmag.com/handheld-devices- ... ies/20921/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_EOAoS58vc

Amazes me that in this day and age measures like these haven't been introduced or at least tried out.

Anyway would be great to here your thoughts on this subject guys

So you reckon that is affordable either money or time wise?

How about the time it takes to interpret the results.

As said earlier, at some point, you may as well just ban boxing.

A fighter could be passed fit and clear to go, and be killed by the next punch they took in any case.

I think you've lost the plot a bit.

Not at all, these devices are already being used by the US military and obviously CT scans are very expensive so these massively reduce the cost and also give instant live results of any brain trauma which would only serve to benefit a fighter ... No?

http://www.medicaldesignbriefs.com/comp ... ures/12820
http://infrascanner.com/

[Capricorn1]

compared to what boxing generates yearly

how much does "boxing" generate yearly? how many expenses can you list that a local
promoter has to pay for out of pocket in order to stage an event in a small venue of a few
hundred or maybe as many as 2,000 attendees? then list what you think the revenue streams
are and what you think their totals are to come up with a balance sheet. this should be fun.

Boxing clearly generates hundreds of Millions of Pounds/Dollars every single year at least - so for sanctioned professional bouts it's not a problem, how much these devices cost (they are said to be fairly low cost) and the answers to your other questions are things i don't know .... if you could shed some light on some of the answers for us all i'm sure everyone would appreciate it though
Maybe the World Governing Bodies or even the host nation of said bouts could invest in providing these, maybe Ambulances at fight venues should or do have these.
Like i said originally these devices have been around a number of years now and are commonly used by the Military so im sure they can be introduced into the world of Sport, after all if you read through some of the links i have provided they were partly designed to aid sports injuries in the first place.

[zorndeslammes]

I'll make this as simple as I can: the device you are discussing is not a "full brain scanner". It is intended as a screening device and is not in any way shape or form a proper replacement for even a noncontrasted CT scan for determination of hematoma. As for how it scans and determines there's an issue - my car was recently recalled because of a tire pressure sensor problem. Turned out that if more than one tire became low, the car wouldn't realize it because the onboard computer was only judging there to be a problem if one tire's pressure changed radically in comparison to the other 3. Same here; if a fighter has a subdural hematoma across both left and right occipital lobes, there's a good chance it won't be picked up.

With that being said, if the time frame it took to scan fighters was short enough to do it in the course of a fight between rounds, I don't think it is a bad idea at all.

[handsofstone]

Would this thing affect a cutmans attempts at getting to work?

[davie]

When do the corner get the chance to pass on instructions?

Can a fighter concentrate on them knowing he's recieving a brain scan?

When does the cutman do his thing?

I've heard of some fornicating stupid ideas, but this takes some topping.

[Capricorn1]

I'll make this as simple as I can: the device you are discussing is not a "full brain scanner". It is intended as a screening device and is not in any way shape or form a proper replacement for even a noncontrasted CT scan for determination of hematoma. As for how it scans and determines there's an issue - my car was recently recalled because of a tire pressure sensor problem. Turned out that if more than one tire became low, the car wouldn't realize it because the onboard computer was only judging there to be a problem if one tire's pressure changed radically in comparison to the other 3. Same here; if a fighter has a subdural hematoma across both left and right occipital lobes, there's a good chance it won't be picked up.

With that being said, if the time frame it took to scan fighters was short enough to do it in the course of a fight between rounds, I don't think it is a bad idea at all.

The device in the links is designed for early stage head/brain trauma of and can spot bleeding (clots) on the brain absolutely no problem, the device’s optical detector is able to differentiate between circulating blood and pooled blood (as would occur in a hematoma), due to the fact that the pooled blood absorbs more light.

I agree of course it isn't as precise as a CAT scan but it's not designed to be, here is a good example of what my point is.....

A better example of Infrascanner's potential value, he said, was the tragic death of actress Natasha Richardson in 2009.

While vacationing at a Canadian resort, Ms. Richardson, 45, fell during a ski lesson but showed no immediate signs of serious injury. About two hours later her condition started deteriorating and she sought care. She was later transferred to a New York hospital where she died two days after the fall that caused bleeding inside her skull.

"If they had had [an Infrascanner] on the ski slope, they would have known right away" about the bleeding, said Dr. Maroon.

Ms. Richardson's case is rare -- concussions causing subdural hematomas happen less than 2 percent of the time. But if a child falls off a skateboard, gets hit with a hockey stick or a lacrosse stick, then feels dizzy or nauseous, "the protocol calls for a CAT scan to be absolutely sure there's no problem," he said. "I'm sure that hundreds of thousands of CAT scans have been done unnecessarily."

So spotting bleeding on the brain of a fighter between rounds and rushing him off to a hospital rather than letting him fight on and take more punishment to the head (more bleeding) is exactly what this device can and would do which is precisely my point.

Excuse the pun here but using these devices should be a no brainer DD

[expe]

When do the corner get the chance to pass on instructions?

Can a fighter concentrate on them knowing he's recieving a brain scan?

When does the cutman do his thing?

I've heard of some effing stupid ideas, but this takes some topping.

The whole thread reads like a sales pitch by a used car salesman.

[Capricorn1]

When do the corner get the chance to pass on instructions?

Can a fighter concentrate on them knowing he's recieving a brain scan?

When does the cutman do his thing?

I've heard of some effing stupid ideas, but this takes some topping.

This is a device of similar size to an electric shaver that is pointed at the cranium in several positions not a full on CAT scan between rounds and takes roughly 1 minute
It's hardly intrusive to a fighter receiving instructions face to face or a cutman squeezing together a sliced eyebrow and rubbing some grease on it.

[IRLangmaid25]

What i mean is that we live in a seriously "Hi-Tech" world (I-Watches, Cars that park themselves, Face Transplants etc...) devices exist that can instantly scan a brain (taking around 1 minute to fully scan the entire brain) for injury and i think the Boxing world should look into the use of such devices to scan each fighter between rounds, in the event of any bleeding (Shadows) on the brain they could simply end the fight and get that fighter to a neurosurgeon far quicker than when fighters collapse minutes, hours, days or weeks after a fight such as Magomed Abdusalamov when he fought Perez in NYC 2013.
The Ringside doctors who peformed the scans could the have the final say on a fighters welfare which would cut out the bullshit judgement we saw from Magomeds own corner during the latter stages of that fight.

Instant Scanning Device
http://www.gizmag.com/handheld-devices- ... ies/20921/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_EOAoS58vc

Amazes me that in this day and age measures like these haven't been introduced or at least tried out.

Anyway would be great to here your thoughts on this subject guys

Devices such as the above would be very handy in rugby union,as concussion had become a serious issue in professional rugby over the last five years,due to the size of the players and improved strength and conditioning since professionalism came into Rugby Union, two decades ago. And as a result of this the impacts in the collisions is causing serious concerns.

[Capricorn1]

What i mean is that we live in a seriously "Hi-Tech" world (I-Watches, Cars that park themselves, Face Transplants etc...) devices exist that can instantly scan a brain (taking around 1 minute to fully scan the entire brain) for injury and i think the Boxing world should look into the use of such devices to scan each fighter between rounds, in the event of any bleeding (Shadows) on the brain they could simply end the fight and get that fighter to a neurosurgeon far quicker than when fighters collapse minutes, hours, days or weeks after a fight such as Magomed Abdusalamov when he fought Perez in NYC 2013.
The Ringside doctors who peformed the scans could the have the final say on a fighters welfare which would cut out the bullshit judgement we saw from Magomeds own corner during the latter stages of that fight.

Instant Scanning Device
http://www.gizmag.com/handheld-devices- ... ies/20921/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_EOAoS58vc

Amazes me that in this day and age measures like these haven't been introduced or at least tried out.

Anyway would be great to here your thoughts on this subject guys

Devices such as the above would be very handy in rugby union,as concussion had become a serious issue in professional rugby over the last five years,due to the size of the players and improved strength and conditioning since professionalism came into Rugby Union, two decades ago. And as a result of this the impacts in the collisions is causing serious concerns.

100% agree, i mean what harm could it do to run this device over any sportsman or woman for around 1 minute?
I think some people are getting confused here and thinking my point is having a full on Neurosurgery team in each corner of the boxing ring DD
it's simply a way to help prevent unnecessary deaths or brain damage to fighters in a sport we all love or any sport for that matter.
It's 2015 not 1915, move with the times and do everything possible to stop fighters ending up as vegetables when they simply don't need to anymore!

[expe]

When do the corner get the chance to pass on instructions?

Can a fighter concentrate on them knowing he's recieving a brain scan?

When does the cutman do his thing?

I've heard of some effing stupid ideas, but this takes some topping.

This is a device of similar size to an electric shaver that is pointed at the cranium in several positions not a full on CAT scan between rounds and takes roughly 1 minute
It's hardly intrusive to a fighter receiving instructions face to face or a cutman squeezing together a sliced eyebrow and rubbing some grease on it.

So where does the doctor stand then? The trainer's in front of the fighter, the cutman's at one side and the second is below on the other side with the bucket. For the doctor to use it one of them would have to move, hindering the corner. Of course it would be intrusive, even if they found a way to use it without the doctor getting in the way, it's still going to distract the fighter because the thing is being pushed against his head.

Each measurement takes 8 to 10 seconds and there's 8 to take, with the thing having to be moved into position for each measurement. Some simple maths tells you that it isn't possible to make all the measurements in a minute anyway, especially with the corner pad in the way of some of them, so the doctor would have to move, taking up more time.

It only indicates a possible hematoma, not that there's definitely one there and the results can be contaminated by hair. Can you imagine if a fight was stopped because of this and it turned out there was nothing wrong with the fighter, they would be furious. If both sides of the brain are bleeding, it might not even detect anything.

If they want to use it after the fight, then fine, I don't really see the point but it wouldn't do any harm. But the idea that it could be used in the corner is absolutely fornicating stupid.

[Badhusker]

They tried it on Khan, but couldn't locate his brain.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

A brain scan after every fight regardless of the result would be a smart move or at least every 2/3 fight's have the scan done.

[davie]

When do the corner get the chance to pass on instructions?

Can a fighter concentrate on them knowing he's recieving a brain scan?

When does the cutman do his thing?

I've heard of some effing stupid ideas, but this takes some topping.

This is a device of similar size to an electric shaver that is pointed at the cranium in several positions not a full on CAT scan between rounds and takes roughly 1 minute
It's hardly intrusive to a fighter receiving instructions face to face or a cutman squeezing together a sliced eyebrow and rubbing some grease on it.

So where does the doctor stand then?

I was thinking the device could be attached to the ring post by a robotic arm. Once the fighter sits in his chair the corner men can assume their normal positions while the device automatically lowers over the fighter allowing the corner men to do their thing, I had a picture of it looking a bit like this, the eyelid openers would even help the fighter pay attention to his trainer

[zorndeslammes]

The device in the links is designed for early stage head/brain trauma of and can spot bleeding (clots) on the brain absolutely no problem,

Dude, seriously, go ahead and post your business card here and see if a state commission gives you a call. I can see this being used by a doctor if they specifically request to look at and inspect a fighter between rounds instead of just looking at pupil dilation, but the way you're writing this stuff actually makes me think you're looking to make sales. Better than cold calling, I suppose.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

Boxrec Rules:
1. Never mention anything progressive!!!

Sounds like a great idea. I would also like to see more class stoppages.
I know every once in a while, like 1 in 1000 fights, a fighter does a dramatic comeback.
However, the other 999 fights are just more brain damage for both guys.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

So where does the doctor stand then?

In jail, where 99.9% of them belong.

F'ing drug pushers.