GGG-Lemieux is on for October 17th!!

[world ranked]

First of all, this is probably not a PPV worthy fight unless they stack the card.

And no, just Chocolatito is not nearly what I'd call stacked.

Also important is how much they will charge.

$19.99 and it is a no brainer. $59.99 and I am going to pass, heading to the Winghouse or even waiting for the rebroadcast.

As I said in another thread, this is GGG vs. Curtis Stevens 2.0

And Stevens probably has a better chin.

This fight is Hagler/Hearns type stuff, never mind the Stevens BS. This fight won't last 6 rounds but it's going to be thunderous while it lasts. Your crazy for not watching it live.

I am a fan, I doubt I will miss it live. I am just not buying a fight that isn't worth buying.

And easy with the Hearns/Hagler hype. Neither guy has anywhere near the status those 2 had when they met.

It does look to be entertaining tho.

I agree I wonder what happens if this fight is the Rubio fight all over again. The question is will Lemieux have any offense and will it get detract GGG in any way.

[ikorolev]

Viloria wants to get a fight against Roman on the undercard of this PPV:

http://www.BS.com/team-viloria ... -us--94006?

That would be a great co-feature.

[Capricorn1]

If Golovkin wins this in an emphatic and brutal fashion (i personally think he will do and that Lemieux is tailor made for him) then surely he will go on to fight the winner of Cotto v Canelo which would be huge and elevate him to Superstar status within 2 fights.

[ikorolev]

GGG opens at -2000.

From what I read:

The odds makers favor Golovkin heavily, making him a 1/14 or a 1/16 favorite at multiple online sports books. Lemieux is getting 7/1 betting odds at a few different websites.

[world ranked]

GGG opens at -2000.

From what I read:

The odds makers favor Golovkin heavily, making him a 1/14 or a 1/16 favorite at multiple online sports books. Lemieux is getting 7/1 betting odds at a few different websites.

Yeah I saw higher than that. I saw what around what Diddy seen

[jamesmcdonnell]

1/14 on, that's frigging shite odds. I'm sure Lemieux has better than a 7% chance of winning!!

Given that GGG is relatively untested, I'd give him more chance than I give Fury, given that he is a huge puncher, so I'd say 15% would be realistic.

[jamesmcdonnell]

GGG opens at -2000.

From what I read:

The odds makers favor Golovkin heavily, making him a 1/14 or a 1/16 favorite at multiple online sports books. Lemieux is getting 7/1 betting odds at a few different websites.

Yeah I saw higher than that. I saw what around what Diddy seen

Just been on odds checker, and best offer so far is 14/1 on.

[jamesmcdonnell]

http://www.oddschecker.com/boxing/genna ... eux/winner

[jamesmcdonnell]

Depending on what's offered, I'd think about Lemieux by KO, - surely it's his about his only chance of winning, given that he's a relatively crude power puncher, whereas GGG is more of a powerful pressure fighter.

I'd say if you gave Lemiuex 15% chance of winning, that's 13.5% to win by KO which is about 9-1 or so. If they are offering more than that, I'd be all over it.

[world ranked]

Its funny everybody love this fight but in the Curtis Stevens fight GGG was a smaller favorite.

[zorndeslammes]

Its funny everybody love this fight but in the Curtis Stevens fight GGG was a smaller favorite.

Curtis has faster hands, better footwork, and arguably better defense. Lemieux just got this wave of momentum started last year in fan circles and to some degree justified it by beating N'Dam. I keep bringing up Kirkland as a comparison, but both guys have had some awful points in their career, but sure enough HBO manages to just insert their name in the discussion and suddenly they become quality opp.

[ikorolev]

Its funny everybody love this fight but in the Curtis Stevens fight GGG was a smaller favorite.

Curtis has faster hands, better footwork, and arguably better defense. Lemieux just got this wave of momentum started last year in fan circles and to some degree justified it by beating N'Dam. I keep bringing up Kirkland as a comparison, but both guys have had some awful points in their career, but sure enough HBO manages to just insert their name in the discussion and suddenly they become quality opp.

I doubt that Stevens has faster anything. Even if he has faster hands, he successfully hides it in his fights. The same with his "better" footwork. He couldn't land anything on N'Dam with his "faster hands and better footwork".

[zorndeslammes]

Stevens and Lemieux are wildly different guys. Just because he has superiority in some fields doesn't mean he wins while Lemieux loses. Lemieux is a far superior offensive fighter and is much more willing to take punishment to get inside than Curtis is. Against someone like N'Dam who's chin is suspect and has bad habits going backwards, he could capitalize in ways Curtis is unlikely to. Comparatively, Stevens stunk out the ring so bad against Andre Dirrell that both of them managed to get black balled for years by HBO, for example. While Lemieux has his limits, he's never gonna get persona non grata status from any network because of his style.

Against GGG, being a face first brawler pretty much guarantees he's gonna feel Golovkin's power early and often. For that reason, bettors seem to believe that he doesn't have much beyond a puncher's chance, as his style predicates damage being inflicted on him by someone who might be the best and most destructive offensive fighter in the game.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Stevens and Lemieux are wildly different guys. Just because he has superiority in some fields doesn't mean he wins while Lemieux loses. Lemieux is a far superior offensive fighter and is much more willing to take punishment to get inside than Curtis is. Against someone like N'Dam who's chin is suspect and has bad habits going backwards, he could capitalize in ways Curtis is unlikely to. Comparatively, Stevens stunk out the ring so bad against Andre Dirrell that both of them managed to get black balled for years by HBO, for example. While Lemieux has his limits, he's never gonna get persona non grata status from any network because of his style.

Against GGG, being a face first brawler pretty much guarantees he's gonna feel Golovkin's power early and often. For that reason, bettors seem to believe that he doesn't have much beyond a puncher's chance, as his style predicates damage being inflicted on him by someone who might be the best and most destructive offensive fighter in the game.

Agreed, - Lemieux's only chance is that he either gets GGG early, and blasts him out, or survives and early barrage, and then smashes GGG up.

Any other way of winning, barring a cut caused by a punch, or other injury which forces GGG to quit the fight, seems extremely unlikely.

[ikorolev]

Stevens and Lemieux are wildly different guys. Just because he has superiority in some fields doesn't mean he wins while Lemieux loses. Lemieux is a far superior offensive fighter and is much more willing to take punishment to get inside than Curtis is. Against someone like N'Dam who's chin is suspect and has bad habits going backwards, he could capitalize in ways Curtis is unlikely to. Comparatively, Stevens stunk out the ring so bad against Andre Dirrell that both of them managed to get black balled for years by HBO, for example. While Lemieux has his limits, he's never gonna get persona non grata status from any network because of his style.

Against GGG, being a face first brawler pretty much guarantees he's gonna feel Golovkin's power early and often. For that reason, bettors seem to believe that he doesn't have much beyond a puncher's chance, as his style predicates damage being inflicted on him by someone who might be the best and most destructive offensive fighter in the game.

Agreed, - Lemieux's only chance is that he either gets GGG early, and blasts him out, or survives and early barrage, and then smashes GGG up.

Any other way of winning, barring a cut caused by a punch, or other injury which forces GGG to quit the fight, seems extremely unlikely.

I don't think there will be an early barrage from GGG side. I expect Gennady to start responsibly like he did against Stevens. Unless Lemieux manages to force an early brawl, it is not gonna happen.

[zorndeslammes]

Lemieux isn't going to outbox GGG or even try. I think it appears obvious that he's going to come forwards and try to engage. If he doesn't do that, he might prologue getting ruined while losing every second of every round.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Stevens and Lemieux are wildly different guys. Just because he has superiority in some fields doesn't mean he wins while Lemieux loses. Lemieux is a far superior offensive fighter and is much more willing to take punishment to get inside than Curtis is. Against someone like N'Dam who's chin is suspect and has bad habits going backwards, he could capitalize in ways Curtis is unlikely to. Comparatively, Stevens stunk out the ring so bad against Andre Dirrell that both of them managed to get black balled for years by HBO, for example. While Lemieux has his limits, he's never gonna get persona non grata status from any network because of his style.

Against GGG, being a face first brawler pretty much guarantees he's gonna feel Golovkin's power early and often. For that reason, bettors seem to believe that he doesn't have much beyond a puncher's chance, as his style predicates damage being inflicted on him by someone who might be the best and most destructive offensive fighter in the game.

Agreed, - Lemieux's only chance is that he either gets GGG early, and blasts him out, or survives and early barrage, and then smashes GGG up.

Any other way of winning, barring a cut caused by a punch, or other injury which forces GGG to quit the fight, seems extremely unlikely.

I don't think there will be an early barrage from GGG side. I expect Gennady to start responsibly like he did against Stevens. Unless Lemieux manages to force an early brawl, it is not gonna happen.

Well, it seems likely he will try and force an early Brawl - that's about the only way to win, initiate a brawl, and somehow outlast GGG and snuff him out. It's not that likely, but he has a puncher's chance. Should be entertaining whilst it lasts.

[world ranked]

Against GGG, being a face first brawler pretty much guarantees he's gonna feel Golovkin's power early and often. For that reason, bettors seem to believe that he doesn't have much beyond a puncher's chance, as his style predicates damage being inflicted on him by someone who might be the best and most destructive offensive fighter in the game.

Agreed, - Lemieux's only chance is that he either gets GGG early, and blasts him out, or survives and early barrage, and then smashes GGG up.

Any other way of winning, barring a cut caused by a punch, or other injury which forces GGG to quit the fight, seems extremely unlikely.

I don't think there will be an early barrage from GGG side. I expect Gennady to start responsibly like he did against Stevens. Unless Lemieux manages to force an early brawl, it is not gonna happen.

Well, it seems likely he will try and force an early Brawl - that's about the only way to win, initiate a brawl, and somehow outlast GGG and snuff him out. It's not that likely, but he has a puncher's chance. Should be entertaining whilst it lasts.[/quote]

entertaining like the Stevens fight right?

[koolkc107]

I am a fan, I doubt I will miss it live. I am just not buying a fight that isn't worth buying.

And easy with the Hearns/Hagler hype. Neither guy has anywhere near the status those 2 had when they met.

It does look to be entertaining tho.

I'm referring to the action in the ring, not each boxers status in the sport. Just like Hagler & Hearns, these two guys only fight coming forward and do a great job cutting off the ring. Neither fighter has a shutdown defense so the winner is going to have to fight through a lot of punishment to get their hand raised, just like H&H. It might even be better because neither guy has a spaghetti legs or soft chin.

With that said, I agree with you. This fight, by itself, will not put up great PPV numbers. I think they should have let this matchup marinade more but i'm glad they are doing it. They need to do more than just put a big name like Chocolito on the undercard, they need to put him in there with someone good. They need a couple of big fights to support it. I completely agree with you there.

I don't even think the action will be on the same caliber. We can argue over GGG belongs to be mentioned in the same sentence as Hagler or Hearns (personally I say "not yet" but I am pulling for Gennady to take his place among the ATGs). But we KNOW, Lemieux is NOT that and likely never will be.

Just not a good comparison to me, but I don't fault you for wanting it to be so. Hard not to get excited for however long it may last.

I just think HBO should have pulled out the stops, put together a blockbuster card, maybe had Bud Crawford, and another star on as well.

IJS.

[caldo2025]

I don't even think the action will be on the same caliber. We can argue over GGG belongs to be mentioned in the same sentence as Hagler or Hearns (personally I say "not yet" but I am pulling for Gennady to take his place among the ATGs). But we KNOW, Lemieux is NOT that and likely never will be.

Just not a good comparison to me, but I don't fault you for wanting it to be so. Hard not to get excited for however long it may last.

I just think HBO should have pulled out the stops, put together a blockbuster card, maybe had Bud Crawford, and another star on as well.

IJS.

I didn't mean to suggest that GGG is already on par with Hagler. I'm dumb and a GGG fan but I'm not that bad. I was just referring to having two premier KO artists, champions, meet in the ring. There's NO possible way this fight goes the distance. I can't wait to see what the odds in Vegas would be on that. Odds are GGG cleans him out but for however long it lasts, it has to be a dandy.

Another factor is the venue. NYC is going to love whoever wins this fight. GGG's already secured a strong following on the West Coast so this is going to put him in a different stratosphere. And, maybe people will find a way in their heart to give the kid some credit for beating Lemieux if it happens to go that way. But I already know what they'll say.

[world ranked]

I don't even think the action will be on the same caliber. We can argue over GGG belongs to be mentioned in the same sentence as Hagler or Hearns (personally I say "not yet" but I am pulling for Gennady to take his place among the ATGs). But we KNOW, Lemieux is NOT that and likely never will be.

Just not a good comparison to me, but I don't fault you for wanting it to be so. Hard not to get excited for however long it may last.

I just think HBO should have pulled out the stops, put together a blockbuster card, maybe had Bud Crawford, and another star on as well.

IJS.

I didn't mean to suggest that GGG is already on par with Hagler. I'm dumb and a GGG fan but I'm not that bad. I was just referring to having two premier KO artists, champions, meet in the ring. There's NO possible way this fight goes the distance. I can't wait to see what the odds in Vegas would be on that. Odds are GGG cleans him out but for however long it lasts, it has to be a dandy.

Another factor is the venue. NYC is going to love whoever wins this fight. GGG's already secured a strong following on the West Coast so this is going to put him in a different stratosphere. And, maybe people will find a way in their heart to give the kid some credit for beating Lemieux if it happens to go that way. But I already know what they'll say.

Why give him credit when Lemieux lost to guy GGG dispose of in 2 or 3 rounds.

[crusader]

Because Lemiuex has improved (he was also well ahead against Rubio, so it's not like he was way out of his depth) and is one of the top middleweights now with arguably the biggest punch?

Or do we live in that world where we write everyone off after early struggles? Remember that when Ward was also around 22 clubfighter Andy Kolle hurt him....

[crusader]

Rafael is talking about Jennings-Luis Ortiz for the undercard...

That plus GGG-Lemieux, Gonzalez-Viloria, and another fight would be

[Freedom2013]

Rafael is talking about Jennings-Luis Ortiz for the undercard...

Good matchup!

I've been wondering how Luis Ortiz would do against a live opponent.

[Tanzio]

Rafael is talking about Jennings-Luis Ortiz for the undercard...

Good matchup!

I've been wondering how Luis Ortiz would do against a live opponent.

If it all comes together, it will possibly be the best card of the year.

Lemieux deserves kudos for stepping up to the plate when he could have easily taken a pass and gone after pretty much anyone else. If 3G plays games trying to put on a good show v Lemieux he could find himself in serious trouble. Lemieux has improved significantly and you have to assume that his team sees something that they think can be exploited. If not, why would they expose themselves to a legitimately life threatening beating?